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Ironside   
3 Mar 2011
History / "I was more afraid of fellow Poles than Nazi German Officers", says Bartoszewski [130]

But dragging someone as distinguised as him down (although I have to agree he shouts quite a lot when you hear him on tele), is a little cheap. He's had more awards and honours than all of us who ever was on PF combined (times 10). He lived through the Warsaw uprising and, when I read the things he's done, has meant quite a lot for Poland.

I did not drag him down, I didn't wanted to comment much on him, only provoked by Harry, who were using his decorations as a weapon in discussion.

I also think that heroes are dead, and people who are alive should earn respect by everyday conduct, not because they have been lucky to stay alive.

His behaviour and words doesn't mark him as a great distinguished person,far from it.Why should I restrain from expressing my opinion about him just because he is over eighty,well maybe he has a dementia,but then it would be a different kettle of fish .

Whatever he means a lot for Poland, I think with all due respect than I'm a better judge of that.

don't think the journalist had the intention to slander Poles. I read both interviews (and my German is pretty good, since I was born in Germany, raised (also) in German and lived there for several years) and I can't detect any hidden agenda.

Well, maybe not this time. You know what they say - once burnt twice shy - or something like that :)
Ironside   
2 Mar 2011
History / "I was more afraid of fellow Poles than Nazi German Officers", says Bartoszewski [130]

as to force people to eat clothes, tableware and furniture. Of course, you may argue
that they stole it all to sell it and buy food, and you may be right, but stealing is still
stealing - and they were stealing from other Poles, who might have been equally destitute
and hungry as they were.

On the other hand it could be just his interpretation of witnessed events! why don't you ask him for profs alex?
Ironside   
2 Mar 2011
History / "I was more afraid of fellow Poles than Nazi German Officers", says Bartoszewski [130]

So do you think he is lying now? And why should he?

Lying ? No, I think that he said the truth. I just think that he should not be saying that for Die Weld, or other foreign newspaper, not the way he talks.

It's not rocket science.

I imply only that I have stated my point of view. You may like it or not, agree or disagree, but ask me to prove it?

I say that there is anti-polish bias in western newspapers,I know that from years of observation and reading, I have never collected any material just to prove that to somebody or to prepare a case in court,You can take it or leave it!
Ironside   
2 Mar 2011
History / "I was more afraid of fellow Poles than Nazi German Officers", says Bartoszewski [130]

Man...you really have some screws loose!

Maybe I do... B asked me to leave you alone,maybe I was wrong about you( I doubt it, flipping over the picture eh?).

Heh:)
You think

I think that he likes to talks a lot and Germans like to listen to him for some reason.I think that I understand that reason?

What says you ? Our German friend ?
:)

Comparing an AK veteran and Auschwitz survivor and holder of Poland's highest decoration to Stalin: you could be any more classy?

Having you fun Harry? what do you care ? It only an illustration that titles and decoration are just a secondary brass, not saying much about a human quality!
Ironside   
2 Mar 2011
History / "I was more afraid of fellow Poles than Nazi German Officers", says Bartoszewski [130]

Well, there's quite a lot of that about. Is there not, Iron?

What do you expect? It is the internet forum .......
You seems to act as if I stepped on your toes - I do not recall anything of the kind - so either open your heart and spit it out or p'ss off !

So, in a spirit of fair play, perhaps you can substantiate your quote above? My general opinion of the press isn't so high that there is no way you could convince me, so what do you say?

What are you even talking about ?

I am just interested in your points of view on this matter.

Take a good look at the OP request !!

My point of view:

Now, See my first sentence in my first post here ???? Good Day!!
Ironside   
2 Mar 2011
History / "I was more afraid of fellow Poles than Nazi German Officers", says Bartoszewski [130]

you describe yourself as what?

Someone who can recognize quality!
Titles and orders do not impress me much!

A big gob and an old fool?

He doesn't know when to shut up!
An old fool because he doesn't know in what kind of Poland he lives or either he doesn't care as long as can spill his beans !
Ironside   
2 Mar 2011
USA, Canada / Dual citizenship - US doesn't care if you don't give up Polish passport [103]

very much does erase your previous loyalities.

So, explain to me how does it works ?You have an lifetime as a Pole and then you are granted citizenship of U.S., well you says an oath, you may even mean it, but it doesn't change the way you think, not for a most of peeps!

Are you saying that after an oath you are brainwashed?
Anyway there is seldom a issue which would test loyalties of a Pole- American Citizen!
Ironside   
2 Mar 2011
History / "I was more afraid of fellow Poles than Nazi German Officers", says Bartoszewski [130]

My point of view:
Human nature is the same regardless of nationality, cultural imprint works for some, for some it does not, everyone is tested by the life events to sort out chaff from grain.

While generalizing one should take into account all circumstances, His subjective point of view cannot be seen as a kernel of the truth.
What counts is intention of questioner, and an obvious intention of that German newspaper was indirect slander of Poles in general, not human nature or individual in particular.

The point is that generally speaking the Germans were the bastards and Poles were heroes!
Bartoszewski is presented as professor by Germans for a reason, and in reality he is just a big gob and an old fool, who just happened to survived the war - so what? Many survived the war !
Ironside   
2 Mar 2011
USA, Canada / Dual citizenship - US doesn't care if you don't give up Polish passport [103]

What loyal ?
Becoming an American Citizen doesn't erase your previous loyalties and ties, that one is obvious.
For a Pole taking an oath is not distressing because he believes that interests of Poland and U.S. are compatible, or not contradictory.

Nice to see that not only have you betrayed Poland, but you're also disrespecting your host country. Your father really did teach you well!

You really have a boring live delp ! Do you really live in Poland? where about ?
Ironside   
25 Feb 2011
USA, Canada / Not everyone that lives or comes from America is RICH! [300]

The OP has to realise that he is a Pole, not an American.

What kind of BS is that? Did you read OP story? Do it again ? He is an American, an American criminal to be exact !
You have to realize that you are Eskimo!
gee!
Ironside   
24 Feb 2011
News / Lech Kaczyński statue in Warsaw? [66]

My friend whilst your knowledge of history is very good,

I know that, thank you anyway,

your knowledge of politics is deeply lacking.

In what way?

really troubling that you guide your politics on the basis of your heart and not your mind.

I use both!

So I am not going to try to convince you by force of reason anymore,

What reason? Asking question about issues which look and I stress look on the surface good for PO, and on the other ignoring those facts which could be not that good for PO?

I cannot abide by the thought that PIS could govern again and Kaczynski could potentially be Poland's PM again.

You Sir, if you are serious, are holding deep prejudice against PiS by which you have proven to me that you are not a rational citizen but emotional citizen or an opportunist.

Therefore, force is not with you, and Reason, you are using to justify your prejudice.

Lets finish that discussion, is fruitless!
Ironside   
22 Feb 2011
News / Lech Kaczyński statue in Warsaw? [66]

You still haven't answered the above question.

What would be a purpose of that exercise ?
Its old tactick :) You sir didn't answer all my question either, nor addressed point I have made!

So how does the PIS stance differ from PO on this issue? And is this your only point of difference?

No, but I don't see a point as I don't want to convince you. As I have a better things to do than PF!

You see, discussion with most Poles about politics is pointless because for most of them political choices are matter of heart not mind. In other words they make decisions based on feelings, and heavy propaganda explore it without mercy.

You do realize that if PIS had its way Poland would be more in debt don't you.

Speculation!

do realize that PIS voted against a reduction in party funding by the taxpayer?

Never said that I agree with them 100%!

And you do realize that it is PO who wants to reduce the number MPs and not PIS, and you do realize that PIS voted against a reduction in party funding by the taxpayer?

When in next millennium ?

Can you name one differences between SLD and PIS on their respective approach to economic matters?

Yeah! SLD like PO would sell out all there is to sell, PiS is a more moderate!

Are you a socialist?

I don't go by a labels! So honestly I don't know, I guess it depends on definition !At last I don't think so!

Its about the promotion of Poland internationality, in an EU meeting of finance ministers who do you think will be the most able to get their point across, somebody who relies on interprets or somebody who speaks your language?

What point it would be ?

So you want mind if they happen to have absolute morons running the show, provided they agree with?

No idea what are you talking about!Sorry!

I wasn't aware that you are a fan of conspiracy theories.

Again you lost me? Are you saying that there no conspiracy's, or conspirators, or maybe still there no intelligence agency's ?
Maybe you mean that I'm wrong about said minister working for a certain intelligence agency? Well, maybe I'm wrong but than again maybe I'm not, would you like to prove that you are right?

How do you thing international leaders will treat a man like that, do you thing Poland's standing in the world will rise?

Cannot fall much lower that for sure !

he has sacked people before

What about Klich?

I see so you would prefer a Putin type,

I like politician to take personal responsibility for thing they say and do! I mean real responsibility they should answer before a court! A Collective responsibility sound a bit socialist, don't you think ?:)
Ironside   
22 Feb 2011
News / What must be done to improve politics in Poland? [72]

Politicians must become true public servants instead of hogs feeding at the trough.

You mean shoot the lot of them and than test volunteers for the job?Who would do the tasting ?
Ironside   
22 Feb 2011
USA, Canada / Poles and American Poles. What do you think about those two groups and their interactions. [85]

Have you actually been to the US

David was born here if I understood him correctly.

'Polish' Poles don't like the American Poles and vice versa, that's a fact.

Who do you have in mind? Poles in Poland or Poles in America?I think that you exaggerate greatly!
I wouldn't say that Poles don't like Poles in America, they just don't understand each other!

his forum should really be renamed to Anti_American

What are you talking about? You must have been reading only that part of PF which is dedicated to America.

the British Poles.

What British Poles ?

What kind of man you are to deny anyone a right to identify with a nation of one's ancestors???

Hard to say, you claims to be a Scot, maybe some grandchild of Polish Division in Scotland.?
Ironside   
22 Feb 2011
Language / An email translated from Polish to English using translator [24]

Pewnego dnia byłem na szkoleniu, na którym byli również przedstawiciele ...

Once more, taking above to translate is a painfully obvious from context for anybody who know the language that capital letter in the word Pan doesn't change a meaning of a sentence.

Proper translation as follows:

One day I was at a training session at which there were also people representing small firms within the industry. Among them was a guy (dude,bloke, person,gentlemen) looking for ideas, and in fact maybe guideline about who he ought to recruit.

I used guy because sometimes pan is used as equivalent of dude or bloke in the Polish language. In translations, sometimes a spirit of the translation is necessary to convey the meaning.

Pan doesn't mean guy and we need to translate it as accurate as possible .

Above is for you!

u are dumber then you wish you were.. you don't cap guy but you do cap you, as in you Sir. retard.

Gee Maciek, both of us know that you are not a titan of intellect, why do you even start those childish insults, coming from you and in a case where is a painfully obvious that you are wrong?

Capital letter means nothing and cannot be translated as you (yourself)because in that case, that sentence wouldn't make sense in the Polish language, or rather it would be sentence written by a foreigner.

haha..

this time it wasn't addressed to you, so you can stop cerebrate your knighthood, you are not Sir just a plain retard with apinchof vinegar.
Ironside   
22 Feb 2011
Language / An email translated from Polish to English using translator [24]

Jednym z nich był Pan,

gee - Among them was a guy....

now reread and actually use your brain..

reread it yourself,and then bow to my superior intellect :))))
no lord, no gentleman, no sir or sire ......geniuses ha!