News / Poland Parliamentary elections 2015 [1060]


Amnesia? We've been though this all before. The Poland B, populist, rural, socially conservative and pro-clerical PSL is an unlikely a bedfellow for any centrist, socially linberal, pro-market party as they come, and yet....

Either you don't know how politics functions or you're playing the fool the have something to say and keep the thread going..

History / Not only Mazowiecki damned an innocent bishop [74]


I for one have never heard anyone hint that Kaczmarek was Jewish. Seems you are privy to different little-known facts. Do englihten us, please. But even if he was, does that lessen Mazowiecki's guilt in helping the totalitarian reigme try to convict him on trumped-up vcharges?

News / Poland Parliamentary elections 2015 [1060]


You overlook a highly probably scenario: either Gowin takes the conservative faction out of PO and form his own party which will enter a coalition iwth PiS or will merge with PiS outright.

History / Not only Mazowiecki damned an innocent bishop [74]


What does that have ot do with Poland? The point is that Lane was a true-blue anti-communist uncontaminated by any lefitst infections.
But why veer off the subject -- rigged Stalinist trials. Why didn't you ask if the Kaczmarek farce was the only one or were there others. What exactly type of pressure and torture was used by the puppet regime? How effective were those measures to force innocent people to confess to crimes they didn't commit. Does Belgium use such interrogation techniques? If not, woiuld you favour their introduction? How many innocent Poels were sent to their death by the Stalinist trerror apparatus?

News / Poland Parliamentary elections 2015 [1060]


40% was the highest scored to date. This time it was simply stated that 'PiS retains lead' which is absolutely ture. It did not say 40% lead, but as usual you tried some backhanded why insult and discredit the messenger. Poll results will fluctuate. There may even be a case or two where PO actually pulls ahead by a small margin, but the proof of the pudding is in the voting. A landslide victory for PiS et consortes appears very much in the offing. Re cheap and tacky insults of the 'duckist' variety, what about calling the president a Chamberpotist? A komora is a chamber after all.

History / Not only Mazowiecki damned an innocent bishop [74]


So say it openly: supporting a tototalitarian regime in a rigged trial with the death penalty hanging in the balance is a noble and Christian deed.

History / Not only Mazowiecki damned an innocent bishop [74]

Contact the IPN spokesman who will point you in the right direction. Just Google IPN. Surely an IT whiz like you knows how to do that.

History / Not only Mazowiecki damned an innocent bishop [74]


No, wikipedia was... Kazcmarek was innocent of the trumped-up espionage charges the stalimnist regime had cooked up. Anyway, this is common knowledge and public domain available to anyone who wishes to find out.

Kaczmarek was not the only prelate victimised by the Soviet-installed and Kremlin-cotrolled puppet government. Read up on the three years of Primate Wyszyński's incarcertion. There was even a TV play about it.

All in all, you have entrenched the view that the PC dictatorship is the direct heir of Stalinism. Same type of arguments and tactics -- guilt by suspicion and innuendo, casting groundless aspersions, generating false rumours... The only difference is the lack of physical reprisals but, if things continue the way they are now going, that too will come. Already Catholic adoption agencies have been forced to close down becuase they insisted on entrusting orphans only to married couples and not on demand or whim. That's still not as 'dynamic' as beating up or killing people in dark back alleys, but it's a step in the 'right' direction!

Since the IPN was mentioned, that institution has for years been compiling documenation on the lawless, incarceration, torture and cooked show trial of Bishop Kaczmarek. Those who read Polish will learn that the Good Bishop was tortured to exact false confessions, beaten, starved, threatened, intimiadated, pulled out of his cell at night for many-hour-long interrogations, in winter confined to unheated cells with wide-open windows. Commie torurers were indeed worthy successors to their Gestapo predecessors.

History / Not only Mazowiecki damned an innocent bishop [74]


If you use that word on a daily basis, then your English is better than I gave you credit for. But you should see the broader context: my interlocutor said if a person is guilty he should be convicted. The point is that trials are rigged to convict the innocent. I know he knew the exact menaing of the word and it was just part of his haranguing, harrassing, nitpicking tactics. I guess some people get theri jollies off that way. I even suggested he should join a chess club.

History / Not only Mazowiecki damned an innocent bishop [74]


A native speaker of English would surely know what a rigged show trial was, but he pretended not to. A non-native might not know what rigged meant in this context -- it isn't a word one uses every day.

History / Not only Mazowiecki damned an innocent bishop [74]


Bishop Kaczmarek was innocent, and that makes Mazowiecki's heinous act all the more damning. You seem not to have the foggiest idea of what stalinism was all about. Ever read Arthur Bliss Lane's 'I saw Poland betrayed'? As US ambassador to Poland he was in media res and had hands-on experience with what was going on.

History / Not only Mazowiecki damned an innocent bishop [74]


You're not Belgian are you? Any native-speaking UK-er would know a trial is rigged and false witnesses are trotted out so an innocent person can be convicted. Totalitarian regimes have always used this procedure to eliminate their political enemies.

History / Not only Mazowiecki damned an innocent bishop [74]


So rigged show trials are OK if no-one gets executed. Subjecting an innocent man to Stalinist-style interrogation (I can tell you something about that if interested), incarceration, harrassment, trotting out false witnesses, and using the signatures of lackeys such as Mazowiecki, Szymborska, Mrożek, Kijowski, Słomczyński et al to build up a false case is a normal democratic procedure in your books?

History / Not only Mazowiecki damned an innocent bishop [74]


So, you believe Mazowiecki acted nobly and decently when at the urging of the Stalinist regime he affixed his signature to what effectively could have been the good bishop's death warrant.

History / Not only Mazowiecki damned an innocent bishop [74]

So you're not trying to whitewash Mazowiecki?

History / Not only Mazowiecki damned an innocent bishop [74]


So all your kitty-footing, beating about the bush and variaitons on the theme are an attmept to whitewash only Mazowiecki or also the other Stalinist collabroators listed above?

History / Not only Mazowiecki damned an innocent bishop [74]

Wałęsa obviously signed something to get the SB off his back, but he did not snitch and nobody was harmed by it. Bishop Kaczmarek was facing the gallows.

History / Not only Mazowiecki damned an innocent bishop [74]

That's obvious. If a prominent figure lauded by some as a hero or outsanding leader is shown to have had a hand in a rigged Stalinist show trial against an important churchman which carried the death penalty, then that is obviously something to think about and reckon with.

History / Not only Mazowiecki damned an innocent bishop [74]

That's like saying if Tusk staggered drunk across Warsaw's OId Town and you did likewise the following day. you'd both land on the front page of the next day's Fakt and Super Express. Your proportions are clearly skewed.

Life / Polands' Generation Y = instant generation [22]


Probably it was part of the attachment and they figured there was no reason to try and remove it.

Life / Polands' Generation Y = instant generation [22]


Neither have I. Nor did I know you could insert links into a CV. Maybe that's the latest thing amogn the younger generation.

History / Not only Mazowiecki damned an innocent bishop [74]

A Pole would say: Co ma piernik do wiatraka? Prominent Polish political and cultural figures were being disucssed, not some odd Bolivian, or a Canadian I happen to know or an Italo-American my sister used to date. As usual, you've got yours wires crossed in an attmept to engage in your favourite pastime: ad hominem attacks. But even there you're slipping. You failed to bring in Grand Master Bernardone for the 27th (or is it 42nd) time.

Life / Polands' Generation Y = instant generation [22]


But I did give the link at the very outset. Unfortunately it was in Polish, so you probably didn't bother to read it.
Put through the Google Flemish translator if that'll help:

ekonomia.rp.pl/artykul/706205,1031472-Mowia-o-nich-pokolenie-instant.html

Life / Polands' Generation Y = instant generation [22]


Truth to tell, my impression is that recent graduates, some 27% of hwom are unemployed, are happy to get 2,000 zł a month for starters. I was surprised at the high figure listed and wanted to verify it.

Life / Polands' Generation Y = instant generation [22]


Please indicate where I myself made such a statement.

Life / Polands' Generation Y = instant generation [22]


Who cares, so what, big deal! You really try to make a federal case out of every tiny titbit. Ran acorss it so threw it up to verify if is it was true. You immediately turn it into an attack on the poster. An idea or issue or someone else's qutoe shared on the forum does not necessarily mean the poster agrees with it. He may only wnat to see how others approach it.


Known to many Poles as RADIO BZDET!

Life / Polands' Generation Y = instant generation [22]


Great! Why not give us a thumbnail sketch of the typical 20-some-year-old job seekers you run into?
Pay expectations, job performance, general attitude, use of company computers for private emailing, computer games and facebookery, etc.

News / Gazeta Wyborcza of Poland losing readers [301]


OK, you've got me cornered so I'll fess up. I asked him to make me deputy foreign in his government and even presented a letter of recommendation from Grand Masonic Master Bernardone, but Mazowiecki turned me down.

News / Gazeta Wyborcza of Poland losing readers [301]


Maybe you could dig up some links our formualte your own version explaining how and why Mazowiecki helped the Stalinists regime frame Bishop Kaczmarek. Use all the euphemisms you want to to lessen, soften, rationalise and/or explain away Mazowiecki's treacherous anti-Church activity in the service of the Soivet-installed puppet regime whose false evidence and rigged trial were subsequently exposed beoynd a shadow of a doubt.