Bratwurst Boy
17 Nov 2018
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Ouch
lzyko is saying that you're a little Nazi in your hearth that love marching in big boots all over others.
Ouch
Bratwurst Boy
17 Nov 2018
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My chat?
I just agreed with you about Churchill's saying...
Well your chat
My chat?
I just agreed with you about Churchill's saying...
Bratwurst Boy
17 Nov 2018
Bratwurst Boy
17 Nov 2018
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And so right he was! *nods*
And so right he was! *nods*
Bratwurst Boy
17 Nov 2018
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Well...I get it...but why do they have to repeat that all the time? It get's tiresome...
Nobody here will be. That is the future world of the young...and the majority of them seem totally okay with that, so...*shrugs*
You really do like her, don't you Lyzko! :)
they represent a deep and nagging concern, if not the fear, that their race is in decline on so many levels.
Well...I get it...but why do they have to repeat that all the time? It get's tiresome...
personally, I will not be affected by any of that.
Nobody here will be. That is the future world of the young...and the majority of them seem totally okay with that, so...*shrugs*
The only reason Germany IS the most civilized, enlightened country she's ever been is because of people such as Angela Merkel who fly the banner of tolerance
You really do like her, don't you Lyzko! :)
Bratwurst Boy
17 Nov 2018
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I can agree with that...I feel the same when Germany is trash talked by the likes of Dirk or Spike, never been prouder! :)
Foreign criticism tends to do that...
when those outlets criticize Poland or the US, I am even more impressed with Poland and the US.
I can agree with that...I feel the same when Germany is trash talked by the likes of Dirk or Spike, never been prouder! :)
Foreign criticism tends to do that...
Bratwurst Boy
16 Nov 2018
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Well....right now Germany is a most respected country. The best, most civilized country we Germans ever had. Our basic law doesn't rely on religion or old traditions though. We must have done alot right. That supports my opinion that traditions can and often must be supplanted by a set of laws. Rules grounded in universal human rights.
Keep playing with philosophy and dreaming of the ideal world...
Well....right now Germany is a most respected country. The best, most civilized country we Germans ever had. Our basic law doesn't rely on religion or old traditions though. We must have done alot right. That supports my opinion that traditions can and often must be supplanted by a set of laws. Rules grounded in universal human rights.
Keep playing with philosophy and dreaming of the ideal world...
Bratwurst Boy
16 Nov 2018
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It can be ordered, of course.
How long would you had waited to break with tradition to give women equal rights to men? Till all the men all agree???
You are left with a set of laws! :)
I don't see anything admirable in rebelling for the rebelling sake...resistance against tyranny is something totally different.
What do you mean with the natural law? The main natural law is the one of the survival of the fittest after all...
They do change but it's a slow, evolutionary process that cannot be "ordered" with one document.
It can be ordered, of course.
How long would you had waited to break with tradition to give women equal rights to men? Till all the men all agree???
But remove the framework and you're left with nothing.
You are left with a set of laws! :)
You don't see nothing admirable in rebelling against tyranny of the state.
I don't see anything admirable in rebelling for the rebelling sake...resistance against tyranny is something totally different.
And in Poland people would rebel and disobey the state if it drifts away too far from a natural law.
What do you mean with the natural law? The main natural law is the one of the survival of the fittest after all...
Bratwurst Boy
16 Nov 2018
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I disagree...societies change, with them the moral principles. Yesterday was the german 100 years anniversary fo women's voting rights. If tradition would be everything they still would have to walk a few steps behind their "masters".
Also it is widely accepted that it is amoral and unethical to rob, rape or kill, but it happens. It's a kind of human tradition! Without laws to punish such behaviours it would be gruesome on our streets.
I don't see anything nice and admirable in a such a chaotic society where people disobey for fun just to show what rebels they are......juveniles do that.
I'm simply saying that the set of rules must be grounded in a traditional moral principles of a society. If it isn't, it simply won't last.
I disagree...societies change, with them the moral principles. Yesterday was the german 100 years anniversary fo women's voting rights. If tradition would be everything they still would have to walk a few steps behind their "masters".
Also it is widely accepted that it is amoral and unethical to rob, rape or kill, but it happens. It's a kind of human tradition! Without laws to punish such behaviours it would be gruesome on our streets.
I don't see anything nice and admirable in a such a chaotic society where people disobey for fun just to show what rebels they are......juveniles do that.
Bratwurst Boy
16 Nov 2018
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I fear we are still stuck with #1, as are IMHO all current human societies...
There are to many in every society who just don't care..or are opposed about for example equal laws for women or people of different religion or color...the human rights are not at all "imprinted" on mankind at this point and most probably won't be anytime soon.
That's makes the laws so important. Without these laws enforced by the ruling body you would get the darkest middle age again...and chaos, where only the strongest ones rules.
I fear we are still stuck with #1, as are IMHO all current human societies...
There are to many in every society who just don't care..or are opposed about for example equal laws for women or people of different religion or color...the human rights are not at all "imprinted" on mankind at this point and most probably won't be anytime soon.
That's makes the laws so important. Without these laws enforced by the ruling body you would get the darkest middle age again...and chaos, where only the strongest ones rules.
Bratwurst Boy
16 Nov 2018
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I don't think you will find anyone here disagreeing with that...
The first rule of the german Basic Law is:
Die Würde des Menschen ist unantastbar.
Some others are:
gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_gg/englisch_gg.html#p0022
I think these are some good ones for starters....laws deeply rooted in ethics and morals!
I don't think you will find anyone here disagreeing with that...
The first rule of the german Basic Law is:
Die Würde des Menschen ist unantastbar.
Human dignity shall inviolable.
Some others are:
Every person shall have the right to free development of his personality insofar as he does not violate the rights of others or offend against the constitutional order or the moral law.
Every person shall have the right to life and physical integrity. Freedom of the person shall be inviolable.
All persons shall be equal before the law.
Men and women shall have equal rights
No person shall be favoured or disfavoured because of sex, parentage, race, language, homeland and origin, faith, or religious or political opinions. No person shall be disfavoured because of disability.
gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_gg/englisch_gg.html#p0022
I think these are some good ones for starters....laws deeply rooted in ethics and morals!
Bratwurst Boy
16 Nov 2018
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No joke, we work much better with rules and laws! :)
Maybe it's me being German but I will chose the rule of law anytime over some lofty idea... they never work!
Yes, for Germans there should be a set of strict rules so you behave :-P
No joke, we work much better with rules and laws! :)
Maybe it's me being German but I will chose the rule of law anytime over some lofty idea... they never work!
Bratwurst Boy
16 Nov 2018
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You've got to be kidding...
I thought that had been proven to be a total desaster during the last century, every time!
The ideal state would be to follow (and be ruled by) an idea and not by set of rules.
You've got to be kidding...
I thought that had been proven to be a total desaster during the last century, every time!
Bratwurst Boy
14 Nov 2018
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It's a start....and even that small beginning is quite unbelievable for some! :)
Anyhow...have to go now..
It's a start....and even that small beginning is quite unbelievable for some! :)
Anyhow...have to go now..
Bratwurst Boy
14 Nov 2018
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Yeah...keep laughing...only two years back even what has been agreed now would had been unthinkable. Let's see where we are in 10 years...
:)
Yeah...keep laughing...only two years back even what has been agreed now would had been unthinkable. Let's see where we are in 10 years...
:)
Bratwurst Boy
14 Nov 2018
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Well...
data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/ST-6393-2018-INIT/en/pdf
The ideas run around for a long time...but it needed the Brexit and one President Trump to set things really in motion!
It is propaganda.
Well...
The following projects shall be developed under PESCO:
data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/ST-6393-2018-INIT/en/pdf
The ideas run around for a long time...but it needed the Brexit and one President Trump to set things really in motion!
Bratwurst Boy
14 Nov 2018
Bratwurst Boy
14 Nov 2018
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The EU is gonna pay for it of course.
Strasbourg, 13 June 2018
europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-4121_en.htm
That's for starters...the budget for 2021-2027
And of course one common army is so much cheaper for the members than 27 fully staffed armies. We can have the most modern, best army in the world for only a fraction of the costs all these armies cost now.
Who is gonna pay for it?
The EU is gonna pay for it of course.
Strasbourg, 13 June 2018
A €13 billion European Defence Fund will provide the financial firepower for cross-border investments in state-of-the-art and fully interoperable technology and equipment in areas such as encrypted software and drone technology.
europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-4121_en.htm
In addition, the High Representative, with the support of the Commission, is proposing today a new €10.5 billion European Peace Facility.....
That's for starters...the budget for 2021-2027
And of course one common army is so much cheaper for the members than 27 fully staffed armies. We can have the most modern, best army in the world for only a fraction of the costs all these armies cost now.
Bratwurst Boy
14 Nov 2018
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That would be the price to pay...yes.
IF Germany wants federal Europe the first move of the future federal Europe should take on all debts all members that includes Greece and Italy.
That would be the price to pay...yes.
Bratwurst Boy
14 Nov 2018
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Never!
I meant an EU police similar to the US army playing the world cop
Never!
Bratwurst Boy
14 Nov 2018
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Iron...it has already started:
Nov 13, 2017
euractiv.com/section/defence-policy/news/eu-takes-step-towards-closer-defence-cooperation
Jun 25, 2018
euractiv.com/section/defence-and-security/news/nine-european-countries-to-formalise-eu-defence-force-plan
Who does what in PESCO:
7.3.2018
esjnews.com/pesco-defence-council-roadmap
We even have a "European Defence Agency":
eda.europa.eu
But it's not all bad :)
10/1/18
politico.eu/article/pesco-military-uk-and-us-will-be-allowed-to-join-some-eu-military-projects
Heh:)
Please cut down on the number of quotes and links when you post
Whilst in reality there are no slightest chance for it being a serious proposition.
Iron...it has already started:
Nov 13, 2017
EU takes step towards closer defence cooperation
The EU took a major step towards building closer defence ties on Monday (13 November), with 23 member states signing a landmark agreement...
euractiv.com/section/defence-policy/news/eu-takes-step-towards-closer-defence-cooperation
Jun 25, 2018
Nine European countries to formalise EU defence force plan
Nine EU nations will on Monday (25 June) formalise a plan to create a European military intervention force....
euractiv.com/section/defence-and-security/news/nine-european-countries-to-formalise-eu-defence-force-plan
Who does what in PESCO:
7.3.2018
esjnews.com/pesco-defence-council-roadmap
We even have a "European Defence Agency":
eda.europa.eu
But it's not all bad :)
10/1/18
UK and US will be allowed to join some EU military projects
politico.eu/article/pesco-military-uk-and-us-will-be-allowed-to-join-some-eu-military-projects
Under a compromise between EU member countries, outsiders will only have access on a case-by-case basis....
Heh:)
Please cut down on the number of quotes and links when you post
Bratwurst Boy
14 Nov 2018
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Nah...the integration and cooperation of the members police forces is another topic (EUROPOL).
europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/agencies/europol_en
europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/156/police-cooperation
There is even a union already:
europeanpoliceunion.eu
Nah...the integration and cooperation of the members police forces is another topic (EUROPOL).
europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/agencies/europol_en
europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/156/police-cooperation
There is even a union already:
europeanpoliceunion.eu
Bratwurst Boy
14 Nov 2018
Bratwurst Boy
14 Nov 2018
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Oh but he is! Just not in the way he wanted to...
Against all warnings he couldn't let that special dog sleeping and threw a tantrum about a few percent. In the future history books they will write whole chapters about that monumental short sighted stupidity and how he helped to found the EU army and in the later consequence the dissolution of NATO.
Trump isn't helping things along,
Oh but he is! Just not in the way he wanted to...
Against all warnings he couldn't let that special dog sleeping and threw a tantrum about a few percent. In the future history books they will write whole chapters about that monumental short sighted stupidity and how he helped to found the EU army and in the later consequence the dissolution of NATO.
Bratwurst Boy
14 Nov 2018
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Nah...I don't think Europe could stomach our "balls and teeth" for a third time.
The next time the Germans will be a part of a common army, not "the" army.
Germany should be all Europe needs to defend itself after it grows some balls and teeth.
Nah...I don't think Europe could stomach our "balls and teeth" for a third time.
The next time the Germans will be a part of a common army, not "the" army.
Bratwurst Boy
14 Nov 2018
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She wasn't in the least concerned about the Eastern Germans, frankly she gave a sh'it about their welfare...she spoke purely from a british point of view. Two Germany's are preferable than one unified one. (The more the weaker)
Many little european countries are much easier to handle for Britain than one unified EU power bloc.
Exactly!
That's all the reason one needs to support the EU and a closer integration...IMHO.
A madwoman, don't you mean? What would Eastern Germany be now if it were a separate state?
She wasn't in the least concerned about the Eastern Germans, frankly she gave a sh'it about their welfare...she spoke purely from a british point of view. Two Germany's are preferable than one unified one. (The more the weaker)
Many little european countries are much easier to handle for Britain than one unified EU power bloc.
Divide and conquer
Exactly!
That's all the reason one needs to support the EU and a closer integration...IMHO.
Bratwurst Boy
14 Nov 2018
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Man, if it aren't the muslims now it is a stronger union which will destroy us...our cultures must be really some fragile snowflakes...especially the stereotypes of them.
(I wonder how the Scots or the Walisians retained their language and antics)
*takes hat*
Not scared, just disappointed at the lack of imagination and sad at the loss of languages and cultural distinctiveness
Man, if it aren't the muslims now it is a stronger union which will destroy us...our cultures must be really some fragile snowflakes...especially the stereotypes of them.
(I wonder how the Scots or the Walisians retained their language and antics)
*takes hat*
Bratwurst Boy
14 Nov 2018
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Thought games, nothing else. The same kind of thought games of a break up which are around since the EU's inception too...
Germany would be a region lik any other....as a (hopefully) economical still strong region it would support the weaker regions, even more so as now.
Again, what are you so scared of?
Put "breakup of the USA" or "Will the USA break up" into google and you'll find lots of stuff...
Thought games, nothing else. The same kind of thought games of a break up which are around since the EU's inception too...
Similarly, what's good for Germany isn't necessarily good for Europe either...
Germany would be a region lik any other....as a (hopefully) economical still strong region it would support the weaker regions, even more so as now.
Again, what are you so scared of?
Bratwurst Boy
14 Nov 2018
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She was a smartie. She saw Europe from the power point of the UK. Britain was always the happiest when Europe was disunified. "Perfidious Albion" meant more or less that Britain would always build an alliance against the one country in mainland Europe which threatened to become to powerful, to keep it's own position at the top.
That kind of politics doesn't work anymore with a unified Europe...hence the late joining ("When you can't destroy it, join it").
But what's good for Britain isn't good for Europe.
Do you have a link?
She also used to promote the concept of East Germany remaining a separate state rather than being swallowed by West Germany.
She was a smartie. She saw Europe from the power point of the UK. Britain was always the happiest when Europe was disunified. "Perfidious Albion" meant more or less that Britain would always build an alliance against the one country in mainland Europe which threatened to become to powerful, to keep it's own position at the top.
That kind of politics doesn't work anymore with a unified Europe...hence the late joining ("When you can't destroy it, join it").
But what's good for Britain isn't good for Europe.
....and many analysts assume that it's going to break up into several separate countries in the coming decades
Do you have a link?
Bratwurst Boy
14 Nov 2018
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We can make it better...but for now it's the best example we have. The US achieved something that Europe didn't...bringing Europeans together (which at home still hate each others guts), to leave their old quarrels behind like an old skin and build something new and extremely successful.
I don't think there will ever be a United States of Europe in the same form as the United States of America for many, many reasons.
We can make it better...but for now it's the best example we have. The US achieved something that Europe didn't...bringing Europeans together (which at home still hate each others guts), to leave their old quarrels behind like an old skin and build something new and extremely successful.