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Give back Lwow to Poland and Kaliningrad to Germany - is it possible? [198]
You want me to dig up the urban map of Ukraine before and after Poles moved in?
I do. And along post a map of so-called "Polish" area in the same time frame. I am really anxious to see the process of "culture transfer" from "highly developed Poles to a wild Ukrainian tribe" ;)
There is a few interesting maps of that time:
Poland 1300
Kievan Rus
You're still wrong, the immidiate Lwów surrounding was also Polish.
How immediate? Be more specific ;) Two meters from the city wall? If in the city itself Poles made only 60% after policies of Sanation, Polonization and ethnic discrimination, then what do you expect to see in the outskirts?
Ukraine does not have a valid claim to the area, they didnt develop it, they didnt build its towns and cities, if it wasnt for Poland and to the lesser extent Russia the place would still be a wasteland
We can claim easily the cities I mentioned below, which are currently in Poland, but Ukrainians are more intelligent than that :)
Here are some excerpts on who built what:
Kievan Rus', although sparsely populated compared to Western Europe,[14] was not only the largest contemporary European state in terms of area but also culturally advanced.[15]
According to you Poles had to bring even more advancement since for ages your nation had the highest IQ in Europe. Who can argue with that? ;)
(In Kievan Rus') certain inalienable rights were accorded to women, such as property and inheritance rights.[20][21][22]
I bet Poles were running for their women with axes at that time to have sex. Guess where they run to? ;)
As birch bark documents attest, they exchanged love letters and prepared cheat sheets for schools.
Love letters and cheat sheets! I mean at the time when Poles where expressing their love to women by axes and mating bull-roars. How pathetic. My condolences to beautiful Polish women to have to deal with these wild boars.
The economic development of Kievan Rus may be translated into demographic statistics. Around 1200, Kiev had a population of 50,000, Novgorod and Chernigov both had around 30,000.[23] Constantinople had population of about 400,000 around 1180.[24] The Soviet scholar Mikhail Tikhomirov calculated that Kievan Rus' on the eve of the Mongol invasion had around 300 urban centers.[25]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus
Show me population of Warsaw in 1200 ;)
Also look at the maps above and tell me who built these cities where Poles haven't even put their foot in yet and Russian state didn't exist? Peremyshel', Kholm and Jaroslawl were not built by Poles, but by Ukrainians (called Rusins at that time), but these cities are in Poland now. Ukraine doesn't claim them, so be happy to hold them.
who's national birth-date is set on about 1848!
Give the source of this "set birth date" of my nation?
whereas Ukrainian first state arisen in 1991.
Be kind to provide a single source stating that Ukrainian state "first arisen" in 1991.
Let Assume for a moment that Ukrainians are in some spiritual way progeny of Kievan Rus - which is not true!
Well, world-renowned encyclopedia states otherwise:
According to the Encyclopædia Britannica, Ukrainian is a lineal descendant of the colloquial language of Kievan Rus'.[28]
Well, it is not Encyclopedia Lomżanika, of course, which has the world's greatest recognition, but still it means something :)
And at the end there is some info on ways Poles made the majority in L`viv:
At the same time, the Polish government reduced the rights of the local Ukrainians, closing down many of the Ukrainian schools.[3] or turning them into bilingual Ukrainian-Polish ones that were, in effect, Polish. Increased Polish settlement reduced the relative percentage of the Ukrainian population in the city, from around 20% in 1910 to less than 12% by 1931. At the university, all Ukrainian departments that had opened during the period of AUSTRIAN RULE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! were closed save for one, the 1848 Department of Ruthenian Language and Literature, whose chair position was allowed to remain vacant until 1927 before being filled by an ethnic Pole (How would you call that BS?).[4] Most Ukrainian professors were fired, and entrance of ethnic Ukrainians was restricted; in response an underground university in Lwów, and a Ukrainian Free University in Vienna!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (later moved to Prague) [5] were established[citation needed].
/wiki/History_of_Lviv
Why did I point Austria and Vienna? Because Austrians are not fukcing SLAVS and still let normal existance to Ukrainian university while SLAVS, in this case Poles, would not only close university, but fire profs and steal schools and then dare to claim: ``Oh look, the professors in L`viv were all Polish`` Yes, that`s true - you have the highest IQ in Europe, that`s why. How could I ignore that
fact? ;(
And you tell me you had majority and brought ``culture`` to wild Ukrainians???? Damn, I am so happy you are out that you cannot imagine :)
