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Ironside   
5 May 2011
News / How Polish diaspora see future of Poland? as ethnic Polish state or just Polish in origin? [120]

Polish tolerance is based on the sense of a privacy. We are not interested in the way and details of other's people life. It's a "Live and let live" attitude. But there is a "thin red line". Western tolerance is based on the fear.

Polish tolerance is based on respect, I respect your values and in return I expect you to respect mine values - my customs and privacy.

It maybe a little different when you are Polish and in smaller community, there is always so called neighbourhood opinions and expectations, but even so, in Poland you can enjoy hefty amount of freedom.

Western tolerance is based on the fear.

Western tolerance is based on theory and enforcement of the law.
Law says what is tolerance and what is not and that is that - no matter that sometimes it is nonsense.
I would say that western tolerance is artificial and Poland's natural.
Ironside   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

I found a funny incident from the Napoleonic times:

a good German dog - yes very funny:)
Ironside   
5 May 2011
History / Polish flag over the Reichstag first? [399]

You see a chance that Poland and Germany would've co-existed without going to war?

Sure I do! It was only reasonable thing to do! Hitler wanted Poland in his camp.
Polish government at the time refused to consider his offer because it would means Gdansk incorporated by Germany and autobahn and railways across Poland. Providing connection between main Germany and East Prussia!

Polish government refused because it would mean that Poland is second class state - German vassal, and because such move would had turned public opinion against government, which wasn't that wildly supported and opposition only waited for an opening.

So, they garbed French and British proportion without much of consideration: but hey they are the world powers half of the glob belong to them, Germany is doomed and we will be in the camp of victors.

Walery Sławek hero, honourable man which made him useless in political internal games, former prime minister, ex-colonel, guy whom Piłsudski had seen as a President after his own death, was all for an agreement with Germany. Unfortunately politicians did not follow The Marshal wishes and Presidency was hold by a good scientist but a very lousy statesman.

Soon after treaty with France and Britian was signed - Walery Sławek committed suicide.

The main misconception of the western historiography is taking for granted allies propaganda about helping Poland against German invasion when in the first place, they ensured that such invasion will take place.

Otherwise Hitler wanted get even with France in the first place, and Britain was considered a future ally or at least neutral, but Britain ruling class did not wanted German influence all over Europe.

It was Britain that wanted war with Germany not other way around.
Ironside   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

* Sincerity

Wow ! you are almost perfect ....you need to add - common sense and sense of humour!and voile :)
Superwurst !
Ironside   
5 May 2011
News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]

Very much like Stettin.

Nobody deny that Poland had no claims to Stettin, give us back eastern border from 1939 and you can take Schnitzel as your personal dukedom.
Catherine II was from there = partition = justices !
Ironside   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

The Prussian state was an abomination . The world is better for lack of such. Half of the lands belonging to Prussia went into Polish hands which is only just taken into account partitions.

Germany would do a wise thing removing all traces of Prussian mindset from their traditions.

In Silesia lower Silesia last polish(Silesia) speakers were common about 1890, their children could only understand they parents speaking polish. Their grandchildren turned into BB:)

Gee Crow is right :)
Ironside   
5 May 2011
History / Polish flag over the Reichstag first? [399]

and the largest number of whom

200 richest from how many ?

he refusal by Poland to admit its own citizens?

What about 20 000 ? Which is more than U.S. or Britain and whoever did! Nice that Poland is being punished for their latency and toleration.

Feel free to quote from the Daily Mail of August 1939 to prove whatever it is you wish to claim.

I claim that is it **** string BNP supporting chauvinistic rag and I think that lied !
Ironside   
5 May 2011
History / Polish flag over the Reichstag first? [399]

One

Muddling again ? Two points -whom did Daily Mail support before the war?
What about "St Louis"? I ask about her passengers?
Ironside   
5 May 2011
News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]

Oh, I see

Stop yapping ! Those lies get on my bits! Will care to provide us with a bill/recite for betraying Petlura? If not shut your trap!

That would be Poland's problem:

Sure, then Britain should go to war with Soviets as soon as they realised that Poland is not an independent state - means 1947-48!

hen if you want to touch the times during and after I WW it was in part the policies of Austro-Hungary and Germany that antagonized the two nations (Austrians deliberately supported Ukrainian nationalism

Ukrainians claim ownership the land which belonged to Poland continuously for centuries from 1367.;plus there wasn't ever Ukrainians independent state before 1990. Then the Wolyn massacre. What do you expect?

Requiring Polish language on all levels of administration and education could be one of such means

So, you don't know how Poland could implement polonization [i][/i]in XVIII century, yet you assume she did!!!!? Nice !
:D
Ironside   
5 May 2011
News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]

Cossack

Cossack was kind of nomads on the wild plains of eastern and southern parts of edge-land of the Polish Kingdom.
So, called wild fields were for a most part uninhabited; on the River Dnieper islands all community of free warriors dwelt, warring with Tatars (Crimea) they Muslims alter-ego, and roaming Black Sea, pirating Ottomans ships and now and then villages and towns.

They had their owns laws, customs and traditions - not unlike pirates on some remote Caribbean island - except that Cossacks were more land bound.

They wanted to continue their entrepreneur of robbery(not unlike banks, nowadays), but Ottoman rules - the most powerful country(Muslim ) at this part of the world - said to Polish King - hey aren't those dogs living in your land ? Deal with them or I will look for you in Krakow, instead of chasing them in the bushes.

So, all this conflict was a result of Kings efforts to take Cossacks under control, those efforts were undermined by nobles, who were afraid of king tyranny if he was given in hand those ten of thousands Cossacks.

Kind in secret send his man, noble but respected all over edge-land (ukraine) of the Kingdom, to gather as many men as he can, then King would go to them and their would bow and give him a homage. Furthermore they would curb nobles, and Cossacks would be his Royal Hand in implementing a new order. King will be Ruler at last, not Servant of Parliament.

Chmielnicki did his part, but then King died, before he could go ahead with his plans.
And the rest is history.
Ironside   
5 May 2011
News / King of Sweden starts three day trip to Poland [12]

Sweden is concern about the Baltic pipe line. They are considering close cooperation with Poland. Unfortunately the Warsaw's government is impotent.
Ironside   
5 May 2011
News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]

Could you perhaps quote the treaty in which Britain guaranteed Polish territorial integrity?

Could perhaps point out how Poland could support financially, defend and govern Ukrainian Republic in Kiev, defending them at the same them against Red Army ?

Quite possibly the most pathetic lie you have ever told here.

No even comparable to your lies about Riga treaty money , which were promised as a recompense for lost culture goods,by Soviets, and which by the way they never delivered.

Would you enlighten me by what means XVIII century Poland could impose so called polonization ? on anybody?
Ironside   
5 May 2011
News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]

and the treatment of the Ukranian population o

ukrianian folk - do not presume that they were a nation as fro treatment - wasn't that 400 years ago? France wiped out population of one of her province - why? - they revolted (Huguenots )

Wasn't Ireland colonised about the same time and their inhabitants killed on sight ?(Cromwell and all)
Wise up mishu !
Ironside   
5 May 2011
News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]

And Germany should regain ziemie odzyskane?

Have Poland been aggressive and oppressive power during XIX century?Partition - rings any bells ? Did Poland started WWI and then WWII ethically cleansing conquered areas and exterminating millions of people ?

What Poland did to Ukrainians ? Was the Wolyn massacre done by Poles or by Ukrainians?
What is correlation between lands lost by Germany and lands lost by Poland - Stalin will.
Would Poland being a part of the victorious coalition incorporate some German lands - yes,though not necessary that much.
Ukraine even doesn't enter equation here, so let's not sidetrack.

since Poland was trying to "polonize" (is there a word for it in English? Firefox is making a red underline)

Nonsense,Poland had no infrastructure or capacity to do such a thing,and there no such a word, this word was made up in the 1930 by Ukrainian terrorist, or their central in Berlin.

were fighting back insurrections

You mean peasant revolts ? Hardly insurrection, even if Cossack element was present.

which is precisely what Russians did in Poland in XIXth century which we definitely consider a harsh occupation.

Really? If that is precisely what Russian did in Poland you will have no problem providing links to XVIII century Royal Act or decrees which prompted Ukrainian ? folk to revolt.
Ironside   
5 May 2011
History / Polish flag over the Reichstag first? [399]

I'm interested to hear your version of what would have happened with Poland if the Brits and French wouldn't have declared war on Germany.

Well, you mean if Britain would have not meddle to ensure that Poland will fight with Germany?
Ironside   
5 May 2011
News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]

Torq is a realist patriot and you ironsir are an nationalist extremist. sokrates is beyond that, closeminded lunatic.

Torq is wishy-washy all be good friends, dreamer.
What do you mean by extremist? As for nationalist - no, not in the sense that word is used in the English language now.

Ukraine is unpredictable, what-more in their historiography (means they teach people that way) Poland is presented along with Russia as as a occupant of Ukraine, maybe a little milder then Russia but only just. Which is a nonsense.

There no political fraction who would want to build alliance with Poland.
They don't even want to be part of EU. Not to mention that EU ain't really interested in Ukraine because of Russia tentacles.

Poland should got what is hers - and which never was ukraine by the way - and that is that, only logical option., if difficult to implement :)

Harry go to your room !
Ironside   
5 May 2011
News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]

there's no one to talk to there, literally no one, even the official goverment is only a faction.

Right, that is what I'm saying all along. There is no partner there, either we can get what rightfully ours or Russia will take it all.

Simple really.
Torq is a dreamer not a realist.
Ironside   
4 May 2011
History / Polish flag over the Reichstag first? [399]

Without Britain and France declaring war on the German Empire, there wouldn't have been a WW2 and the Germans and Russians simply would've wiped Poland off the map once and for all.

Really ? I disagree !
Ironside   
3 May 2011
Real Estate / Warsaw City in 2020 [58]

Phallic symbols of the Greed Civilisation, sporting symbols of a globalisation sham all over the globe.
Thy who backed a spotted dick should consume it!

so do you think it was just a prank of a city mayor ?

that stupid ***** is capable of everything, should be burnt on stake !
Ironside   
3 May 2011
News / "Poland is flourishing" [62]

I would like to find out how accurately it describes, in your opinion, the current situation in Poland,

To make it short this article is full of BS!
Ironside   
3 May 2011
News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]

In Lviv, many of the city’s streets are a barely-drivable cobblestone that looks to have last been fixed before the war,

bingo!

East of Lviv, the sight of a horse-drawn cart draws barely a glance, and fields are dotted with farmers walking behind horse-drawn ploughs– views that used to be ubiquitous in Poland but are now a rarity

nothing wrong with a horse power - ecologically friendlily.

Why didnt Ukraine follow Poland and the rest of the ex-communist countries after the fall of the Iron Curtain‎?

Because Ukraine has never been a state before 1990.

That's why I don't understand Lewandowski's whining about the EU budget and demanding EU taxation - the money isn't that significant - and - at least to me, shows that the Polish government has got addicted to EU money rather than generating it from within.

You are light weight who understands nothing.
Government maybe be adicted to EU monies but it doesn't mean that those monies are make a hell of a difference, as Torki said (as much as I disagree with him on others issues) it is peanuts money.
Ironside   
1 May 2011
History / Poland Lithuania - current relations [124]

The problem with Slavs is almost always nationalism.

Lithuanians aren't Slaves.
Problems with all the sates between Russia and Poland is that those states had been connected with Poland for about 500 years, including about 300 years as a part of the common powerful civilisation.

At the same time they have common past with Russia, being colonised, destroyed, modelled and changed by Czarist Russia Assyrian like empire and then by butchers and live destroyers - Soviets!

No wonder that people in those states are confused, even Poles are confused.
Re-establishing common ground would be very difficult, and Russians are working hard to prevent this from happening.