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delphiandomine   
18 Jul 2015
Work / Poland seeking more natural English speakers [54]

Like I said. Never in all my time on this forum has anyone given an adequate answer to my question, and neither have you. Not by a long shot.

Can you find me comparable working and living conditions elsewhere? Nope, probably not.

As I said, only Austria offers something better - but they have huge problems with xenophobia, particularly in the nicer parts. Styria is beautiful - and also very, very suspicious of outsiders.

Remember, not all of us are motivated by "absolute dollars" only. Quality of life is also hugely important - and places such as the UK and Ireland fare very badly when it comes to that.
delphiandomine   
18 Jul 2015
News / The wave of designer-drug poisoning (dopalacze) in Poland [48]

That shows that Polish law is defective.

Not really, this is the European standard.

I hope PiS set up somethign like the FDA.

But they won't. The food industry in Poland is far too powerful to allow PiS to demand some sort of pre-production regime.

But a first step is a law banning the sales of unknown, unidentified substances of unspecified purpose and working.

The problem is simply legal - how do you stop such things without stifling innovation? It's just not that easy - if it was, they would all be banned all over Europe without any fuss.

You have to agree that calling some colourful pill or shimmering powder a "collector's item" is a gross abuse designed to evade the law and exploit gullible youths and ddestroy their health and lives. Calling them a "fodo product" is probably what the producers and dealers say when they're hauled into court.

No-one is disagreeing with this. The problem is how to legislate without killing innovation.

Here's an example from the UK - dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2194656/Jack3d-sports-supplement-banned-Britain-fears-lethal-effects.html - it was banned after the side effects became obvious. I think the same happened in the United States.

Polonius - how would you regulate the market without hurting the small producers of supplements?
delphiandomine   
18 Jul 2015
Work / Poland seeking more natural English speakers [54]

Why come to Poland when there are plenty of other places where opportunities for employment are much, much better

I've just been to a party with a lovely group of people. We've been outside drinking in the summer heat without any problems, the food was excellent (all locally sourced) and the atmosphere was perfect. Works for me, and it's a regular thing.

In the UK, it's not normally warm enough to do this at 12-1am. And it rains. A lot.

By the way, in my field (elementary teaching) - opportunities are far easier to come by, wages aren't considerably higher abroad (I don't have C2 German or French, and Finland is notoriously difficult to get into), other systems are incredibly bureaucratic (I spend perhaps 2 hours maximum a week on paperwork, it's nothing). Career progression is also laid out and isn't subject to stupid whims - and there are endless opportunities within education in Poland if you're willing to put a little bit of effort in.

As far as I'm concerned, the quality of life is just fine, employment opportunities are abundant (not many qualified native English speakers here that can actually work in a real school environment as opposed to a language school). Works for me.

I go on two foreign holidays a year, usually 2-3 weeks in summer and 1 week in winter. I visit Germany, the Czech Republic and Slovakia frequently, and I can indulge in both summer and winter sports freely and inexpensively.

Don't forget that culture plays a huge part in it. I find Polish culture to be quite agreeable. I'm quite fond of the Balkan culture, but for instance, Slovenia (which is a nice country) has a culture of police sneakiness to extract fines. Austria is top of my "I want to live there" list - but Austrian xenophobia is incredible.
delphiandomine   
18 Jul 2015
Law / Inheritance and taking care of elderly parents in Poland [7]

Is this normal in Poland?

It's normal everywhere, I think. If someone is putting the effort in (and let's be honest - unpaid care is very, very difficult) - then it seems fair enough that they get something in return.

It's rather strange that you actually took an equal share from your mother's estate while your sister did the bulk of the work.
delphiandomine   
17 Jul 2015
News / The wave of designer-drug poisoning (dopalacze) in Poland [48]

Are these companies flooding the market with dangerous synthetivc (designer) drugs?

No, but neither are many legitimate producers of supplements and so on.

Doesn't Poland have some equivalent of our FDA which decides which foods and medications are safe for public consumption?

Food, no. There is Sanepid, of course - but there are no mandatory controls before selling food.

I'm sure kangaroo meat has to be inspected by a state health inspector, otherwise there would be salmonella and other such epidemics. Even backward Russia carreis out such inspections -- although they have abused them for poltiucla reasons.

It's rather retrospective - they don't have to issue you with a licence before you sell a product.

Anyway, anyone standingn on the sidelines would have conclude that your are creating a litany of excuses why designer drigs cannot be controleld as if you were on the payroll of the slimeballs poisoning Polish youth.

No, I'm giving you reasons why it's not just as simple as banning them. There are no controls on food products, and these are essentially food products. Yes, once someone sells a product that harms someone, you can prosecute - but not before.

One has to wonder why you would want to impose a strict totalitarian regime on food products - and why you prefer large foreign companies over Polish ones.
delphiandomine   
17 Jul 2015
News / The wave of designer-drug poisoning (dopalacze) in Poland [48]

What if a new law were enacted stating: all unknown, unidentified and uncertified substances are banned?

As I said - it would mean that the big pharmaceutical companies would have complete and total domination over the Polish market. Is that what you want?

There are rules regulating what food, medicaments and other products can be marketed, so designer drugs in your view should be exempt?

There aren't rules - you can more or less do what you want, hence why people sell exotic things such as kangaroo and so on. Remember, technically, these drugs are just food products, nothing more.

Testing is pricey and that's very good. The petitioner would have to pay for the test whether or not he got permission to market the item, and that would also be a deterrent to many.

So you want to completely remove Polish businesses from the market, then?

Let's talk supplements. There are quite a few Polish companies that produce and deal with them - but they don't have huge budgets. Paying to test them would be very expensive, meaning that only the big name American companies could probably afford to put them on the Polish market. The Polish producers would go out of business, and Poles would be reduced to being "wage slaves" as you put it in the past.

It's just not so simple to do what you propose.

Re online sales, sting operations would pluck out individual dealers who would be given a choice: jail or cooperation with law enforcement (disclosing their source)? The same at clubs, pubs, discos, etc.

As far as I'm aware, plea bargains aren't legal in Poland.

But yes, the second idea when it comes to harder drugs is certainly the way forward. There's a good argument for not even fining or prosecuting those with small amounts if they're willing to disclose the source of the drugs.

Where there's a will, there's a way. Remember, Csapone was unpersecutable although he had many corpses on his hands. He could buy prosecutors, judges, police, alibis, whatever, so they got him on tax evasion.

This is why the Health Ministry was involved with busting the shops a while ago, because the alternative legal route wasn't very clear.

Some of you on PF seem to be siding with the criminals and finding excuses to show why they cannot be touched. It figures, you support the crooked and scammy PO.

No, we just know that there's no point using a sledgehammer to crack a nut. Your solution guarantees job losses in Poland, and there's no easy fix for the legal situation. Remember, the UK is also struggling to deal with it - it's a worldwide problem.

Remember, these aren't drugs in the strict sense of the word. They're food products that contain man-made chemical substances. The only real way to deal with this is to make it thoroughly unattractive to take them - which means making it clear that there's no NFZ care for someone poisoned with drugs. Someone might just think twice if they know that adverse reactions won't be treated.
delphiandomine   
16 Jul 2015
News / The wave of designer-drug poisoning (dopalacze) in Poland [48]

Polonius, Polonius... think about how laws are drafted. You need to list what is banned - but any half-competent chemist can get round that - easily. The only way to deal with it is to do as I said, which puts massive power into the hands of the big pharma companies.

China can't control the internet. Use of VPN's are rife - and even their attempts to control internet cafe use has been futile.

Which works for big pharma. It however kills most small companies dead in the water - including for instance, the bodybuilding supplements market.

It would be far better to simply create the law stating that anyone found to be sick as a result of ingesting such substances will be required to pay for their health care.

The reason: BIG MOINEY!

No, the reason is that you're not thinking about the consequences of what you suggest.

Do you know how expensive chemical testing is? It would require in-depth studies and a considerable amount of time and effort. The only companies that could afford that would be the big pharmaceutical companies - who would love it, because it would guarantee that no domestic challenger could step up.
delphiandomine   
16 Jul 2015
Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [564]

mosques with noise blasting down their streets

Dunno about America, but there aren't any mosques doing that in Europe. You'll hear the call to prayer in Bosnia, but that's about it, and it's no more irritating than church bells.

taxing the health care system

Locals are more than able to do it themselves. Everyone in Poland has stories about the Babcia that will make appointments in 10 different doctors because... well, what else has she got to do?
delphiandomine   
16 Jul 2015
Work / English lad looking for work in Poland [39]

I worked on such in the not-too distant past though Delph, and simply wrote "consulting services" in Polish.

From what I know, they've really started to clamp down on it unless it's genuinely a "dzieło". I know that it used to be perfectly acceptable and everyone was using it to pay only 9.5% tax, but these days... Word is that they're also going to start putting a stop to umowa zlecenie being used for clearly directed work such as teaching - which will really hurt a lot of language schools.

Mind you, one look at the website belonging to Bradders should tell you all you need to know :D

I do love old Bradders trying to be serious though - he actually applied for a job as a sheik-entertainer in Warsaw once :D
delphiandomine   
16 Jul 2015
News / The wave of designer-drug poisoning (dopalacze) in Poland [48]

If things are so good, why has there been such a rash of poisonings after the new law went into effect?

Ewa Kopacz explained it perfectly. The problem is that you cannot make the law so that only certain substances are legal - so the law is always having to catch up with what's on the market. For instance - you create a substance that makes you feel great. It gets banned by the government, so you slightly amend the chemical composition and release it on the market. The government finds out after a month, bans that version - but by then, you've got 10 other slightly amended substances that haven't been banned.

It's a huge problem elsewhere too. The only way to combat it is to require all producers of pharmaceuticals to be registered and controlled - but this means that the small companies have no chance of ever getting products on the market.

Chicken and egg situation really. Having said that, no-one forced them to take those drugs.
delphiandomine   
16 Jul 2015
Work / English lad looking for work in Poland [39]

Anyone considering working for Chris Bradbury should be aware that he was using blatantly illegal contracts (umowa o dzieło - the tax office has more or less ruled these to be unacceptable, and it means that he was avoiding pension and healthcare payments to workers), that he has openly lied about employing qualified teachers and so on.

whats with Polish (and german) employers or uk expats in Poland asking for a cv photo? Whats someone's appearance got to do with their ability to get a job done ?

It's got absolutely nothing to do with it, and Bradders should be ashamed. I wonder how his clients would feel about him offering employment to completely unqualified 20 year olds? Ah wait, Bradders himself is totally unqualified :D

(mods - if you have any issue with what I've said, let me know and I'll link to the evidence.)
delphiandomine   
16 Jul 2015
News / Have PO (Platforma) operatives in Poland fallen into a panic? [332]

Poland's central bank should actively boost preferential credit action for small and medium companies, main opposition party Law and Justice's (PiS) candidate for Prime Minister said in an interview published on Thursday.

It's not access to credit that's needed. Polish businesses can get credit relatively easily - the issue is the nearly 40% cost of social insurance. When you consider that it costs something like 2000zl to give someone 1286zl in their hand - you can see why small businesses struggle.

(please note : these rates were exactly the same when PiS was in power, hence we know they won't do anything about it)

The EU msut be prevailed upon to enact bloc-wide legislation trimming the banks' profit margin and making them pay their fair share of taxes.

How much tax did the banks pay in 2013, Polonius?
delphiandomine   
16 Jul 2015
News / Have PO (Platforma) operatives in Poland fallen into a panic? [332]

How would she pay for any of that?

My suspicion is that we'd see something comparable to New Labour's way of doing things (and arguably, the Tory way too) - cut headline taxes, but then simply whack on extra tax on everything else instead. An extra 20-30gr of fuel taxes would be a nice start, as would ramping capital gains taxes up to 40%.
delphiandomine   
16 Jul 2015
News / Have PO (Platforma) operatives in Poland fallen into a panic? [332]

The banks' profit margin can be decreased by legislation.

But you do realise that PZU and PKO are essentially controlled by the government and the government receives considerable amounts of cash in dividends from their shareholding? PZU in recent days has made it very very clear that they intend to create a big bank in Poland - and that they intend to buy up several smaller banks in order to do so.

Decreasing the profit margins of PKO and PZU means that they won't be able to compete as much abroad, meaning that Poland loses out. PZU in particular has been an absolute monster in recent times - and it also holds considerable amounts of Polish governmental debt.

TAX THE BANKS! sounds great. TAX THE POLISH STATE OWNED BANK! sounds a bit daft, don't you think?

I know there's the whole thing about banks becoming Polish owned - well, within a couple of years, it's highly likely that the three biggest banks will be PKO, Pekao and PZU.
delphiandomine   
16 Jul 2015
News / Have PO (Platforma) operatives in Poland fallen into a panic? [332]

Among the largest projects is the increase in social benefits for families with two or more children - these families are to receive 500 złotys ($130) per child . Moreover, PiS want to increase the tax-free allowance and reduce the retirement age and VAT. Those measures are expected to cost over $10 billion. She also wants to tax banks which enjoy too many privileges.

But where is the money coming from, Polonius?

Taxing banks will also hurt PKO and (soon) PZU. Is that a good idea, and do you think they'll agree to extra taxation? PKO in particular is used by the most vulnerable in society - if they get taxed, they'll be forced to pass the costs onto the consumer.

Social benefits is a dreadful idea. Look at the UK, Greece and other countries with huge welfare bills - it just doesn't work. Far better to implement a Swiss or American style system in which people can enjoy considerable deductions on their tax bill, so that it always pays to work. Allowing mortgage payments to be tax deductible to a certain amount would also work and would provide people with a reason to save/buy property.

Moreover, PiS want to increase the tax-free allowance and reduce the retirement age and VAT.

Ouch. Who will pay for it?

The problem is that Szydło is talking about raising an extra 52 billion through tax collection. It's a staggering number, and she's made a huge mistake by going there - PO will destroy her on economics with such expectations.

It would be far better for PiS to promise something achievable, such as a guaranteed yearly rise in the tax free amount, or a pledge to reduce VAT once the deficit goes below 40% (for instance). These sort of things are vote winners - people can see that they are rewarded for working hard.
delphiandomine   
15 Jul 2015
News / Have PO (Platforma) operatives in Poland fallen into a panic? [332]

Can you make sense of Kukiz's strategy, Polonius?

At one point, Kukiz was even threatening PiS - and the two combined had a chance (not a big chance, but still a chance) of getting 2/3rds needed to change the constitution. Yet he's gone into meltdown.

The local activists and aldermen of various cities and towns, who were to be his principal power base, complain that he has turned away from them.

Yep, he seems to have completely ignored the fact that it was a very organic movement, and people were willing to back him because it was something different.

Instead, strange fringe groups such such as the nationalist Ruch Narodowy (National Movement) and New Right-Wing Congress, whose popular support hovers around 1%, have jumped on the Kukiz bandwagon.

This is a huge mystery to me. He started embracing a lot of very fringe ideas and associating with people that were too dodgy for PiS, such as the owner of the Ciechan brewery. It was almost as if he was willing to work with anyone that had obtained any fame whatsoever - even though those people were hugely unpopular among PO and PiS voters alike. Then there was talk of how he would give everyone vast amounts of cash - yet it didn't make any sense and even PiS voters were thoroughly confused as to where he'd get the money from.

Rock musician Kukiz says he was used by the mayor of the SW city of Lubin to facilitate his own cronies' access to parliament.

This is rather the problem that Kukiz had and has. He can't get anywhere near the Sejm without solid support in local structures, and he would be more or less hostage to their own demands. People such as the ex-President of Poznań Grobelny started to talk about how they would work with Kukiz to get into the Sejm - so it's obvious that he simply doesn't have the political brain to put together proper structures.

Compare this to Petru, who went around the country setting up local committees. I saw yesterday that they've announced leaders for each voivodeship, and those people will go and put together the electoral committees from interested locals. That's what Kukiz should have done - but he seems to have spent the last month doing strange things that don't really make much sense.
delphiandomine   
15 Jul 2015
News / Have PO (Platforma) operatives in Poland fallen into a panic? [332]

After electing a PiS president, it's logical that a few months later, a PiS parliament is elected.

I think you need to attribute quite a lot to Komorowski's apathy towards the election - almost every single neutral observer agrees that Komorowski lost the election by simply not trying hard enough.

I'm not an economist, but I do not favour policies that make a narrow elite richer while ordinary people suffer nad have to scramble and skimp to make ends meet.

Except those policies need to be funded, and there's simply no money to fund them. Basing your entire manifesto on collecting 52 billion extra yearly in taxes is insanity, and will only lead to the working classes being taxed more to fund electoral promises.
delphiandomine   
15 Jul 2015
Work / There are English speaking jobs in Poland. [9]

No, most probably not - I think it's a fair assumption that many English speakers aren't really able to operate in that sort of field of both being manual and yet highly skilled.
delphiandomine   
15 Jul 2015
Work / There are English speaking jobs in Poland. [9]

I wish I had the ability to service anything, even putting up a shelf is too difficult for me :D

(we don't talk about the time involving having to call someone to replace some lightbulbs...)
delphiandomine   
15 Jul 2015
Work / What is deducted from a salary in Poland apart from Income tax? [155]

She is working as Test Engineer.

I think she's also got a good chance of finding work, so consider this as well. What you could try is asking your company if they can assist with finding work for her in Warsaw - it will cost them nothing, so they might well agree. Don't be afraid to ask for help!

The important thing is to put the effort in - she has the background, so she should get out there and attend events such as geekgirlscarrots.org/2802/42-geek-girls-carrots-warsaw - GGC events are *fantastic* for networking. There's absolutely no reason why she shouldn't find work in Poland.

Make your plans on the very safe assumption that she will not be able to earn a single penny in Poland, unless she happens to be an IT specialist with abundant experience in some exotic skill set that is highly in demand.

More nonsense. There are plenty of jobs going in such environments.

Just to humour you - praca.pl/software-test-engineer-tester_745171.html - found within a few seconds.

The title of this thread is, What is deducted from a salary in Poland apart from Income tax?
delphiandomine   
15 Jul 2015
Work / What is deducted from a salary in Poland apart from Income tax? [155]

Ignoring Dominic's doom and gloom - go to otodom.pl or gratka.pl and have a look at accommodation there. Add roughly 500-600zl to the price of rent for the utilities/heating/etc.

Food is very cheap, so you don't have to worry there. Transportation is also very cheap if you're happy to take public transport.

What does your wife do, if you don't mind me asking? If she speaks English, there's always the possibility of her also finding work.
delphiandomine   
15 Jul 2015
Work / What is deducted from a salary in Poland apart from Income tax? [155]

No. You're missing the point. For experienced senior professionals like the OP, there is no need for a "stepping stone". They can go in the front door.

But they cannot. This is what you seem to be missing - why would they even consider Poland if they could walk straight in?

There certainly are. More and better ones than in Poland. Where do you think all those Polish engineers are going? There is an acute shortage of engineers in all of the rich countries.

The thing is that they're coming from Poland in the first place. Poland needs to replace them, hence there are opportunities for non-EU citizens. And so on. These people aren't being hired straight out of university - they're working in Poland first, and then being headhunted from here.

It most certainly is, compared to Poland. A veritable land of milk and honey. No doubt about it. That's why there are so many Poles in the UK, and far fewer Brits working in Poland.

There's only one slight problem : obtaining a working visa for non-EU nationals is very, very tough and is about to get even tougher.

Not as soon as you think. And the amount of capital floating about in Poland is microscopic compared to the richer countries.

It's growing. Rapidly. Perhaps you had little contact with these sorts of things (which is obvious, given that your salary ranges quoted are way out of date), but there's a spark there and people are showing interest in Poland.

Again, there is no need for a stepping stone or back door.

Since when?

Perhaps in your ideal world where everyone is able to just pack up and study intensive mathematics - but in the real world, life is never so black and white.

You don't see Finns leaving their country in droves, especially for Poland.

I know several that came because (like the Dutch) - there's little hope of a corporate career in Finland for most average people. In Poland, you've got the start of a career without much difficulty. As an HR friend says - there has to be something wrong with you if you can't get employed here.

Actually, it does. Polish engineers start at a disadvantage compared to those trained in the US, the UK, Switzerland or Sweden. Practical courses, innovative projects and high-quality internships cost more money than Polish universities can afford, and the lack of R&D bucks compounds the problem.

I don't think you've been near a university in the UK or Sweden in your life. The idea that the UK has practical courses, innovative projects and high quality internships is just laughable - most degrees are very similar to here, just with a huge price tag. My own university was a perfect example - next to nothing practical, large amounts of theoretical nonsense and teachers who quite obviously would rather be at home working on their own projects. I don't recall any sort of practical courses or innovative projects - it was rather mundane.
delphiandomine   
15 Jul 2015
Work / What is deducted from a salary in Poland apart from Income tax? [155]

What of all of that could possibly apply to a senior engineer or financial expert from the Subcontinent?

But you're missing the point. Poland is but a stepping stone - they establish themselves in Europe, attend a few conferences and within 2-3 years, they've got themselves a nice position in the Western world. Not every worker from there is good enough to immediately walk into jobs in the West. I've known several people to do it, and all of them repeat the same thing - that Poland offered an excellent place to progress from.

Sorry, but I have trouble believing that any Asian engineer would even consider that at all appealing.

Except there aren't abundant opportunities! This is what you seem to miss - in countries such as The Netherlands, there are simply not enough jobs available. You seem to be convinced that the West is full of great jobs just waiting for non-EU workers - the reality is that these jobs are going to people from this part of the world. People are not going to waste their time getting work permits and so on when they can just hire someone from Poland.

As Carl Sagan's father repeatedly told his son, "I've told you billions and billions of times not to exaggerate". Poland hasn't "arrived" yet. Not by a longshot.

But it is arriving, and crucially, the environment is still very much open to those that want to do something. It's a shame you're not in Poland anymore, otherwise I'd happily introduce you to some VC guys that are very excited about the possibilities here.

Employment wise, the UK is a veritable bed of roses compared to Poland.

Sorry, but the UK is not. Anyone that's lived there knows the reality - that the good jobs are in places that you can't afford to live.

Working in a SSC in Poland is not going to do much to help them achieve that goal.

Almost every single person working in an SSC (not that these guys will be - they will be working in BPO's, which are different, as Romek told you repeatedly) has the chance to transfer abroad. More to the point, it's a matter of getting in the door. Everyone upon everyone wants those jobs - and for 99% of us, getting in there just isn't that easy. You're also forgetting that not everyone wants to work in such environments - some people are perfectly happy being a small part of the machine and they don't need autonomy and so on. I know one guy who started his professional career smuggling TV's into Poland - 25 years on, he's very very happy with his large modern apartment, nice cars and decent lifestyle in Poland as a software engineer. He doesn't need seniority or career progression - and isn't even looking for it.

No, they are not. They are cheerier and happier because the quality of life and chances for advancement are much better than in Poland.

My, my.

If it was really so simple, then you'd expect the Finns to be happy people, wouldn't you? Culture has a huge impact upon these things - Polish people are perceived as liking to moan and complain, and hence it's obvious that they aren't particularly happy in work.

Every single one I have ever spoken to was dissatisfied with Polish higher education.

And yet they succeed in droves.

As for Polish higher education, that's nothing new. Doesn't stop a huge amount of talent coming through.
delphiandomine   
14 Jul 2015
Work / What is deducted from a salary in Poland apart from Income tax? [155]

Poland doesn't appear on the top ten list for any quality of life indicators, except perhaps racial and ethnic homogeneity, if you consider that conducive to quality of life. It offers nothing special that numerous other countries do not offer in greater abundance, with far less drawbacks.

You're again trying to apply statistical ideas to human nature, which simply doesn't work. For instance, lazy people like myself happen to enjoy the Polish culture towards July/August - where simply nothing happens as no-one can be bothered, even if they're in work. I've seen it in many large corporations and even spoken to many company directors who all say the same thing - nothing happens in Poland in July and August and that it's a waste of time trying to do so. For me, that's nice. Can you measure it? Not really. But on a personal level, it's worth a considerable amount of cash.

Means jack $hit. It's far behind and still has a long, long way to go before it even nips at the coattails of the top and second-tier players, and that's not going to be in five or ten years. More like thirty to fifty, optimistically. Don't forget the other players are growing, too.

They're not growing, this is rather the point. Look at the data for the last 10 years - you can see that Poland is just pushing and pushing all the time. As it stands, Poland is the Lance Armstrong of countries - aided with drugs, but still performing at such a ridiculously high level that it's not funny. The challenge is to make sure that there's a future from 2021 onwards. We don't have crystal balls, so all we can do is observe that the money is pouring into Poland.

There are plenty of other countries out there that offer much better opportunities for work/life balance

Where? The Nordic countries and the UK are obvious, but their weather sucks. Germany always comes up, but then you have to adopt German work practices which drive many people insane because it's so damned efficient. Austria? Maybe, but your neighbours will hate you behind your back. France? Maybe, but their taxation regime is punishing. And so on.

If I was choosing, I'd live in Finland - but that's because I like the country and their attitude to life. However, there are immense drawbacks, such as not being able to simply get in your car and drive somewhere nice.

Having lived in both countries, it was my impression that Poles, in general, were much more obsessed about money and working than Americans.

I'd agree on the money point (Poles are materialistic, there's no getting away from that) - but with work, most of them seem to specialise in finding ways to do as little as possible.

. And they were much more paranoid about losing their jobs.

Common problem in Europe, not just Poland. The UK in particular has horrific issues with it. I think it's only really Germany that has any concept of 'long-term employment' anymore.

In any case, job satisfaction in Poland is abysmal compared to the States and Western Europe, which is why so many Polish engineers leave the country for greener pastures.

They leave because they're offered so much money that they can't say no, which says a lot about how highly they're valued.

As for job satisfaction - ever considered that such a measure might be also affected by culture? Americans are much cheerier, happier people by nature - Polish Catholic fatalism means that *everything* is terrible even when it's not. I know one guy that quit his job because - believe it or not - his boss wouldn't agree to let him work on his car in the company parking garage. Apparently because of that, his boss was a "egotistical maniac" and so on - yet when I questioned him, everything else was fine, just he wanted to do car repairs in the parking garage because he didn't have a covered garage at home.
delphiandomine   
14 Jul 2015
Work / What is deducted from a salary in Poland apart from Income tax? [155]

It's microscopic compared to other places on the globe. The tech sector within, say, the municipal limits of Cupertino or Mountain View alone exceeds that of the whole country of Poland by a wide, wide, wide mile.

But then you have to live in the United States, which doesn't appeal to everyone. I certainly know several IT engineers that refused high-paying moves to the US. More to the point, American work culture absolutely sucks compared to Poland. When Google is lauded because they offer 3 months maternity/paternity pay - something is seriously wrong with the work/life balance there. I know a senior VP out there, and in her exact words, there is no possibility to take 2 weeks holiday. In Poland, it's mandatory.

For many people, work/life balance is important. While California might not be full of gun nuts, there are still plenty of unbelievably bad and poor places there that make Myslowice look like a holiday camp.

Poland doesn't even register as a serious tech player on the global scale.

Yet. It's growing. Fast.

It's still mostly driven by outsourcing, and R&D dollars are still rather limited.

And many, many people are coming out of outsourcing and straight into the startup industry. The effects are already being seen - give it another 5 to 10 years and Poland will be a hub of activity.

As for R&D dollars - most of the EU doesn't spend particularly much on it except Germany. And that involves living in Germany...
delphiandomine   
14 Jul 2015
Work / What is deducted from a salary in Poland apart from Income tax? [155]

The OP isn't "most people". People with lesser qualifications don't get offered 9500 PLN a month.

Hahahaha. Dominic, I don't know where you're coming from with this, but you're really out of date with salaries in Poland.

9500PLN a month in Warsaw is nothing special - Poland is seeing a boom when it comes to IT salaries, and 9500 net suggests that he's a run of the mill senior engineer. Salaries for senior engineers these days range from 7000zl gross through to around 13,000zl gross.

More to the point, this move is perfect for him. A couple of years in PL, and he'll be able to get the decent jobs in Western Europe - and furthermore, he'll be able to attend conferences there and so on easily.
delphiandomine   
14 Jul 2015
News / If Poland were in the Eurozone... [39]

North. Poland might have been even more tough on Greece than Wolfgang was.

Do you think D Tusk made the right move by asking Chancellor Merkel and Prime Minister Tsipras not to leave the negotiations table until an agreement had been found?

Absolutely. If Tsipras had left, it was game over.

And do you think the decision finally reached (keep Greece in the eurozone in exchange for tougher austerity) is the right one?

I think it's all over for Greece.