Bratwurst Boy
20 Nov 2008
Bratwurst Boy
19 Nov 2008
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Only 60 years later??? He should know about it, don't you think? It's nearly the same time frame!
And what is the facts you "stubborn" Poles bring all he time to prove his Polishness?
That he made once a political choice against the Teutonic Order, that's all...as if that
says about his ethnic belonging!
What now? I brought alot of facts (his family, the languages he used)...you have???
Where do you see here polish influence at all!
PS: I had family in Jauer! :)
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolaus_Kopernikus
But even this political decision doesn't mean that he is polish. Kopernikus (as his uncle Lukas Watzenrode) were on the side of the Preußischer Bund, who was against the Teutonic Order, it was more of a inner prussian civil war but a war between Germans and Poles!
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preu%C3%9Fischer_Bund
He was even elected into several preußische Landtage...
You still think he was a Pole because....?
Only 60 years later??? He should know about it, don't you think? It's nearly the same time frame!
And what is the facts you "stubborn" Poles bring all he time to prove his Polishness?
That he made once a political choice against the Teutonic Order, that's all...as if that
says about his ethnic belonging!
What now? I brought alot of facts (his family, the languages he used)...you have???
Where do you see here polish influence at all!
The original autograf, an intermediate between a rough copy and a fair copy, passed after Copernicus' death in 1543 to his friend Tiedemann Giese(1480-1550) and then to Georg Joachim Rheticus (1514-1574), Copernicus only pupil, who had used a copy to publish De revolutionibus in Nuremberg in 1543.
Rheticus took it to Leipzig and Cracow (1554 - 1574) and to Košice (Kaschau) where he died and left it to his pupil and colleague Valentin Otho(1545 - 1603) who took it to Heidelberg were Jakob Christmann (1554-1613) added his remark.
Rheticus took it to Leipzig and Cracow (1554 - 1574) and to Košice (Kaschau) where he died and left it to his pupil and colleague Valentin Otho(1545 - 1603) who took it to Heidelberg were Jakob Christmann (1554-1613) added his remark.
PS: I had family in Jauer! :)
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolaus_Kopernikus
But even this political decision doesn't mean that he is polish. Kopernikus (as his uncle Lukas Watzenrode) were on the side of the Preußischer Bund, who was against the Teutonic Order, it was more of a inner prussian civil war but a war between Germans and Poles!
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preu%C3%9Fischer_Bund
He was even elected into several preußische Landtage...
You still think he was a Pole because....?
Bratwurst Boy
9 Nov 2008
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Poles!
:)
Has that become a matter of believe now?
I think this terror organization is for real...how strong the danger
is today I have no idea though!
So, why is this such a contested matter?
Poles!
:)
Do u believe in Al Qaeda BB?
Has that become a matter of believe now?
I think this terror organization is for real...how strong the danger
is today I have no idea though!
Bratwurst Boy
9 Nov 2008
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Facts stay facts....I don't have to invent anything...'s not so bad! :)
I feel bad 4 u BB. U fly the flag alone for Deutschland.
Facts stay facts....I don't have to invent anything...'s not so bad! :)
Bratwurst Boy
9 Nov 2008
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That Poles want to stay Poles and Germans want to stay Germans?
Where is the difference?
See that's the difference between us Poles and you Germans.
That Poles want to stay Poles and Germans want to stay Germans?
Where is the difference?
Bratwurst Boy
9 Nov 2008
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Well he was from Thorn...do you see anybody denying that? What's your problem boy? To thick a head?
Millions of Germans lived for centuries in what became Poland after the wars...boundaries shifted, ethnics didn't.
Or the Polish ethnie should had stopped existing during the partitions! You know millions of Poles becoming Germans or Russians, right? Following your
logic nobody should have wanted independence or an own polish state as they became immediately all happy Germans and happy Russians...
And what about that???
He described himself as
PRUSSIAN GERMAN MATHEMATICIAN
Explain this if he was such a passionate Pole...:)
He lived under the polish crown, nobody forced him
to call himself german! :):):)
Nope
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_Watzenrode_the_Younger
...nothing Polish about them! :)
Well he was from Thorn...do you see anybody denying that? What's your problem boy? To thick a head?
Millions of Germans lived for centuries in what became Poland after the wars...boundaries shifted, ethnics didn't.
Or the Polish ethnie should had stopped existing during the partitions! You know millions of Poles becoming Germans or Russians, right? Following your
logic nobody should have wanted independence or an own polish state as they became immediately all happy Germans and happy Russians...
And what about that???
The Copernicus manuscript book states : [...] Nicolaus Copernicus Canon [in] Warmia, in Prussia Germaniae mathematician...(Nicolai Copernick Canonici Varmiensis, in Borussia Germaniae mathematici)
He described himself as
PRUSSIAN GERMAN MATHEMATICIAN
Explain this if he was such a passionate Pole...:)
He lived under the polish crown, nobody forced him
to call himself german! :):):)
His uncle, the Bishop of Warmia although a Watzenrode had a fine German name like £ukasz.
Nope
Watzenrode was born in Thorn (Toruń) as the son of the trader Lucas Watzenrode the Elder (1400-1462). He studied at the universities of Kraków, Cologne, and Bologna.
When both his sister Barbara Koppernigk and her husband Nicolas had died around 1483, Lucas took care of their four children, Katharina, Barbara, Andreas and Nicolaus, who would become known as the astronomer Nicolaus Copernicus.
When both his sister Barbara Koppernigk and her husband Nicolas had died around 1483, Lucas took care of their four children, Katharina, Barbara, Andreas and Nicolaus, who would become known as the astronomer Nicolaus Copernicus.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_Watzenrode_the_Younger
...nothing Polish about them! :)
Bratwurst Boy
9 Nov 2008
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German!
Yeah, f'uck Copernicus...how dared he to call him self "German mathematician"!!!
God...maybe it's a polish thing to so absolutely deny and ignore facts! :):):)
(Not a good foundation for a scientist btw...)
BB, r u Silesian or pure German?
German!
leave him with his false statements...
Yeah, f'uck Copernicus...how dared he to call him self "German mathematician"!!!
The Copernicus manuscript book states : [...] Nicolaus Copernicus Canon [in] Warmia, inPrussia Germaniae mathematician...(Nicolai Copernick Canonici Varmiensis, in Borussia Germaniae mathematici)
God...maybe it's a polish thing to so absolutely deny and ignore facts! :):):)
(Not a good foundation for a scientist btw...)
Bratwurst Boy
9 Nov 2008
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He...you are funny!
It's not me keeping this thread alive! Whenever one of you keeps up with the stubborn notion that Kopernikus was a full blooded Pole I will post the evidence to the contrary...you better stop or we will do the dance still next summer! :):):)
*snicker* Truth hurts, doesn' it!
LOL :)
Oh and tell me since when political leanings decide about heritage and ethnical belonging...should be really interesting! ROFL :):):)
Bratwurst Boy You're still at it, give it a rest will you.
He...you are funny!
It's not me keeping this thread alive! Whenever one of you keeps up with the stubborn notion that Kopernikus was a full blooded Pole I will post the evidence to the contrary...you better stop or we will do the dance still next summer! :):):)
Action speak louder than words, where in your sick little mind did you get the idea that he considered himself to be German?
*snicker* Truth hurts, doesn' it!
The Copernicus manuscript book states : [...] Nicolaus Copernicus Canon [in] Warmia, in Prussia Germaniae mathematician...(Nicolai Copernick Canonici Varmiensis, in Borussia Germaniae mathematici)
LOL :)
Oh and tell me since when political leanings decide about heritage and ethnical belonging...should be really interesting! ROFL :):):)
Bratwurst Boy
9 Nov 2008
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*yawn*
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DFS_Kopernikus
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GMES
:)
*yawn*
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DFS_Kopernikus
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GMES
:)
Bratwurst Boy
9 Nov 2008
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"Copernicus" is the anglicized form of the latin "Kopernikus"("C" instead of "K"), whereas the Poles call him "Kopernik"...
Yes, and he was right about that but where does he write that he is Polish???
My family stems from Silesia, Liegnitz, Breslau etc...didn't made them Polish!
I know Copernicus as "Copernicus" not as Kopernic or any other version, Polish or German.
"Copernicus" is the anglicized form of the latin "Kopernikus"("C" instead of "K"), whereas the Poles call him "Kopernik"...
He was writing that Torinensis = from Toruń
Yes, and he was right about that but where does he write that he is Polish???
My family stems from Silesia, Liegnitz, Breslau etc...didn't made them Polish!
Bratwurst Boy
9 Nov 2008
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It was impossible for him as he probably never learned the language.
But he could had described himself as Pole in latin very well...but he didn't!
But he did write that:
And I repeat again...it was custom at that time to latinize your surname to show your belonging to the "intelligentsia"
Kopernikus is the latinized form of Kopperlingk...so it doesn't matter one yota if you find others called Kopernik!
Kopernik couldn't write in Polish - it was impossible. He was using languages all Poles were using in writing.
It was impossible for him as he probably never learned the language.
But he could had described himself as Pole in latin very well...but he didn't!
But he did write that:
The Copernicus manuscript book states : [...] Nicolaus Copernicus Canon [in] Warmia, in Prussia Germaniae mathematician...(Nicolai Copernick Canonici Varmiensis, in Borussia Germaniae mathematici)
In my opinion using of German version of his name is very wrong because you can't find Germans or Poles with such name. You can find people with name Kopernik or his latin name in most documents.
And I repeat again...it was custom at that time to latinize your surname to show your belonging to the "intelligentsia"
Kopernikus is the latinized form of Kopperlingk...so it doesn't matter one yota if you find others called Kopernik!
Bratwurst Boy
9 Nov 2008
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She had her reasons to choose Paris for working...but I don't think that made her French once she crossed the border!
Education and heritage aren't interchangeable with passports...Or else the family of Copernicus really would had become full Poles once the town Torn changed hands.
She had her reasons to choose Paris for working...but I don't think that made her French once she crossed the border!
Education and heritage aren't interchangeable with passports...Or else the family of Copernicus really would had become full Poles once the town Torn changed hands.
Bratwurst Boy
9 Nov 2008
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Hmm...as your quote states "Polish upbringing" and even her name sounds Polish I would say she was a Pole...
Hmm...as your quote states "Polish upbringing" and even her name sounds Polish I would say she was a Pole...
Bratwurst Boy
9 Nov 2008
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Even then...this town was called Torn and was officially German just a few years back before his birth. The town may have changed hands, the citizens not!
He made his nationality quite clear:
Show me where he writes "polish" or "polski" or something like that and you can convince me!
Even then...this town was called Torn and was officially German just a few years back before his birth. The town may have changed hands, the citizens not!
He made his nationality quite clear:
The Copernicus manuscript book states : [...] Nicolaus Copernicus Canon [in] Warmia, in Prussia Germaniae mathematician...(Nicolai Copernick Canonici Varmiensis, in Borussia Germaniae mathematici)
Show me where he writes "polish" or "polski" or something like that and you can convince me!
Bratwurst Boy
9 Nov 2008
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From his works which made them so famous...it's his signature!
If he had felt/been polish he would then now at last told it, don't you think?
From his works which made them so famous...it's his signature!
The Copernicus manuscript book states: [...] Nicolaus Copernicus Canon [in] Warmia, in Prussia Germaniae mathematician...(Nicolai Copernick Canonici Varmiensis, in Borussia Germaniae mathematici)
If he had felt/been polish he would then now at last told it, don't you think?
Bratwurst Boy
9 Nov 2008
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It's quite real:
google.com/search?hl=en&q=EU+project+Kopernikus&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=
Nope:
Germans want to call EU project using German name but it doesn't exist in reality.
It's quite real:
google.com/search?hl=en&q=EU+project+Kopernikus&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=
False he described himself as from Toruń.
Nope:
The Copernicus manuscript book states : [...] Nicolaus Copernicus Canon [in] Warmia, in Prussia Germaniae mathematician...(Nicolai Copernick Canonici Varmiensis, in Borussia Germaniae mathematici)
Bratwurst Boy
9 Nov 2008
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He...I posted that link already some pages back in this thread Seanus.
We were actually over most of the arguments several times...:)
For there isn't a debate anymore actually as Kopernikus himself described his nationality quite clearly! But these stubborn Poles...:)
He...I posted that link already some pages back in this thread Seanus.
We were actually over most of the arguments several times...:)
The Copernicus manuscript book states : [...] Nicolaus Copernicus Canon [in] Warmia, in Prussia Germaniae mathematician...(Nicolai Copernick Canonici Varmiensis, in Borussia Germaniae mathematici)
For there isn't a debate anymore actually as Kopernikus himself described his nationality quite clearly! But these stubborn Poles...:)
Bratwurst Boy
9 Nov 2008
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Usually yes...but between Poland and Germany borders seem to fluctuate more than somewhere else...just a few years back and he would have been born in the German town of Torn.
Well..we don't know it exactly...there is an indication that he was German too as we know that he held a position in the towns court which was at that time only open to Germans!
His family name was Kopperlingk, his mother was a born Watzenrode...
ur birthplace tends to dictate ur nationality.
Usually yes...but between Poland and Germany borders seem to fluctuate more than somewhere else...just a few years back and he would have been born in the German town of Torn.
He was named after his father who was Polish.
Well..we don't know it exactly...there is an indication that he was German too as we know that he held a position in the towns court which was at that time only open to Germans!
His family name was Kopperlingk, his mother was a born Watzenrode...
Bratwurst Boy
9 Nov 2008
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You are new on this board, aren't you...
They got THAT one right...
Erm...why?
There still is...:)
Most encyclopedias speak about his city of birth who was in that moment polish...doesn't make the man polish though...
I just stopped smoking...but what the hell! :)
Most of the germans got expelled from Silesia after ww2, how come they didn't kick out your family too then?
You are new on this board, aren't you...
I read that German National Socialists also claimed that Copernicus was 'purely German'.
They got THAT one right...
then he must be also awful traitor of German nation. Right? :)
Erm...why?
There was a world of difference between a Saxon speaking Plattdeutsch and Bavarian up to 19th century.
There still is...:)
It may be interesting to note that authoritative encyclopaedias regard him as Polish.
Most encyclopedias speak about his city of birth who was in that moment polish...doesn't make the man polish though...
Maybe we should all go back to our roots and pass the peace pipe around for a while?
I just stopped smoking...but what the hell! :)
Bratwurst Boy
8 Nov 2008
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Well...even Tacitus called them that way 2000 years back because they were so similiar to each other and clearly different to the Celts and the Gauls!
Tacitus Germania:
unrv.com/tacitus/tacitusgermania.php
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istvaeones
And that was already written two millennias back but you know better of course...oooookaaaaay...:):):)
Maybe you should just read and accept how Kopernikus described himself:
Why are you ignoring that?
The past of different tribes which became part of Germany, may be considered as a heritage of German nation. However this doesn't make 'the Germans' out of those people, this is just how nationalist propaganda describe them.
Well...even Tacitus called them that way 2000 years back because they were so similiar to each other and clearly different to the Celts and the Gauls!
Tacitus Germania:
unrv.com/tacitus/tacitusgermania.php
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istvaeones
And that was already written two millennias back but you know better of course...oooookaaaaay...:):):)
No we have different view on some issues than Germans. We are proud of it :)
Maybe you should just read and accept how Kopernikus described himself:
The Copernicus manuscript book states : [...] Nicolaus Copernicus Canon [in] Warmia, in Prussia Germaniae mathematician...(Nicolai Copernick Canonici Varmiensis, in Borussia Germaniae mathematici)
Why are you ignoring that?
Bratwurst Boy
8 Nov 2008
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I told you we would share...but why should we agree to wrong facts and a wrong telling of history? That's about it!
Just sitting back and nodding for the sake of peace? How should we react?
I told you we would share...but why should we agree to wrong facts and a wrong telling of history? That's about it!
Just sitting back and nodding for the sake of peace? How should we react?
Bratwurst Boy
8 Nov 2008
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ROFL!!! :):):)
You know...it's these "gems" of yours which make you
so easily identifiable every time you slimed back onto the board
after you were kicked out...again!
Your nazi vison is stupid. :)
ROFL!!! :):):)
You know...it's these "gems" of yours which make you
so easily identifiable every time you slimed back onto the board
after you were kicked out...again!
Bratwurst Boy
8 Nov 2008
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What interests would that be, pray tell?
You know..let's count...it's about people who share the same:
language
customs
tradition
heritage
and even goals in not becoming subjugated and a tax-and slaves giving
province of the roman empire like their neighbours, the Gauls!
What do you think makes it different to any other nation?
Or more precisely WHAT are they lacking? In your opinion that is...
Well..for us it was one of the most important battles in our (GERMAN) history and one of the most important in Europe ever.
But then...you aren't a German, what would you know! :):):)
Arminius' monument:
What interests would that be, pray tell?
You know..let's count...it's about people who share the same:
language
customs
tradition
heritage
and even goals in not becoming subjugated and a tax-and slaves giving
province of the roman empire like their neighbours, the Gauls!
What do you think makes it different to any other nation?
Or more precisely WHAT are they lacking? In your opinion that is...
Well..for us it was one of the most important battles in our (GERMAN) history and one of the most important in Europe ever.
But then...you aren't a German, what would you know! :):):)
Arminius' monument:
Bratwurst Boy
8 Nov 2008
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Actually since the Russians conquered Austria it should have been their spoil too...they were lucky that the allies preferred a neutral Austria cracked away from core Germany...so who cared about justice and punishment!
Actually since the Russians conquered Austria it should have been their spoil too...they were lucky that the allies preferred a neutral Austria cracked away from core Germany...so who cared about justice and punishment!
Bratwurst Boy
8 Nov 2008
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You girls are just the better men...:)
You girls are just the better men...:)
Bratwurst Boy
8 Nov 2008
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Well...in Germany we have the saying "People voted with their feet"!
It doesn't get more democratic than that...
But tell me...why are you discarding the Battle of the Teutoburger Wald as a sign of clear national consciousness?
Arminius was educated as a roman officer, the loose, separate from each other living tribes should have only cared for their own...but they didn't....it was THEM against US!
What do you think that "US" meant for these people (which shared the same customs, the same language, the same culture)
Tell me please!
BB, do you want to say that Germany was united democratically? :)
Well...in Germany we have the saying "People voted with their feet"!
It doesn't get more democratic than that...
But tell me...why are you discarding the Battle of the Teutoburger Wald as a sign of clear national consciousness?
Arminius was educated as a roman officer, the loose, separate from each other living tribes should have only cared for their own...but they didn't....it was THEM against US!
What do you think that "US" meant for these people (which shared the same customs, the same language, the same culture)
Tell me please!
Bratwurst Boy
8 Nov 2008
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Doesn't mean they don't exist!
Well...you think many things but it's mostly crap anyway so...who cares...
Tell me...can't wait what you come up with? Expelling them again???
Yeah...I'm waiting for it like for my next car accident....
I can't find anny in Germany :)
Doesn't mean they don't exist!
To be honest I think Kopernik is his original name
Well...you think many things but it's mostly crap anyway so...who cares...
and think what we need to do with this non-slavs in our country
Tell me...can't wait what you come up with? Expelling them again???
See you after weekend ...
Yeah...I'm waiting for it like for my next car accident....
Bratwurst Boy
8 Nov 2008
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It's the fault of the allies actually!
After WWI the victors separated Germany from Austria with the Treaty of Versailles and FORBADE every re-union...fearing a strong german empire again.
Well, that didn't sat well with the folks as everybody could see later with Hitler marching into Vienna with triumph and his troops being greeted with flowers.
After WWII they did it again but this time with giving the Austrians (who were really good Nazis) the way out with "You stay away from Germany and we abolish you of any guilt"...and it worked better.
But the reason for that was the same...to weaken Germany!
Very true. And they still claim to be "the first victim of nazis" with a straight face.
It's the fault of the allies actually!
After WWI the victors separated Germany from Austria with the Treaty of Versailles and FORBADE every re-union...fearing a strong german empire again.
Well, that didn't sat well with the folks as everybody could see later with Hitler marching into Vienna with triumph and his troops being greeted with flowers.
After WWII they did it again but this time with giving the Austrians (who were really good Nazis) the way out with "You stay away from Germany and we abolish you of any guilt"...and it worked better.
But the reason for that was the same...to weaken Germany!
Bratwurst Boy
8 Nov 2008
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You should look for Kopperlingk...
Kopernikus is the latinized form for Kopperlingk...a family name for someone handling copper (Kupfer), as it was custom for german families to get their names by their professions.
And to latinize their name was fashion between the intelligentsia of that time...
...but we repeat now old arguments which are already answered and discussed during this thread as you very well know Lukasz. Don't be more the idiot than you need to be...
You should look for Kopperlingk...
Kopernikus is the latinized form for Kopperlingk...a family name for someone handling copper (Kupfer), as it was custom for german families to get their names by their professions.
And to latinize their name was fashion between the intelligentsia of that time...
...but we repeat now old arguments which are already answered and discussed during this thread as you very well know Lukasz. Don't be more the idiot than you need to be...
Bratwurst Boy
8 Nov 2008
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You asked about the Schultzes...you are bringing up these topics again and again...you are making the problems (and getting into troubles all the time)...and you are looking ridiculous! :)
And how "national awareness" can be different is beyond me...either you have it or not!
Well...you are a Pole! :):):)
God are you a stupid guy Luki! LOL
You asked about the Schultzes...you are bringing up these topics again and again...you are making the problems (and getting into troubles all the time)...and you are looking ridiculous! :)
And how "national awareness" can be different is beyond me...either you have it or not!
I prefere Polish national awareness.
Well...you are a Pole! :):):)
God are you a stupid guy Luki! LOL