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Bratwurst Boy   
21 Nov 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

Laubor Poles were choosing German side and upper German class prefered Poland ... nothing new :)

He...you mean the lower classes work their asses off to make Germany big and strong and the polish nobles are in truth Germans!????

LOL.....sure, why not...I can live with that! :):):)

Or as southern would say: "Scratch a Pole and you will find a German!" :)

Thank you Luki!
Bratwurst Boy   
21 Nov 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

You know we have many astronomers (google this names):

Well...nobody knows them...you can keep them! :)

I'm still waiting for some facts which would support your idea...but you have NOTHING!

Not to be picky, but the example still ain't very fortunate :)
I think you need to abandon that argument until you make it bullet proof.

Well..that's what I try to tell Luki..shared interest and Kopernikus fighting under an ex-Ordensman with the prussian federation against the Teutonic Order doesn't make him polish!

No political leanings can make or change an ethnical heritage!

Tell me why so many (in your terms) Germans prefere to be Poles than the Germans ?

Who would that be?
Last time I looked Podolski preferred the german Mannschaft! :):):)
Bratwurst Boy   
21 Nov 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

Okay...maybe a bad example. Another one....Great Britain fighted on the side of the Poles...did this make the English, the Welsh or the Scots polish???

Did they lose their vowels overnight, preferring Kielbasa to Fish 'n Chips, dancing Mazurka and liking Vodka???
Bratwurst Boy   
21 Nov 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

Whoa....do you want to kill your adversaries through boredom???

Polish name :) Koper in Polish means dill. :)

His family was Koppernigk (someone who works with Copper), not dill...

He has been fighting on Polish side against Germans :) that makes him Polish.

Well, in WWII half of the world fighted on the same side as the Poles...Russians for example, does that made them to Poles???

And btw. he wasn't fighting on polish behalf, only that some Poles and some Prussians shared the same disgust with the Teutonic Orders taxation policy - led by an ex-Order man on top!

German versions of this name don't exist in reality.

Firstly you have no proof and secondly this logic would make your other celebrity, Chopin, a french, do you really want that???
Bratwurst Boy   
21 Nov 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

As I've said Kraków was German town :)

So...when his papa was german, his mama was german, Nikolaus grew up with german and latin, later with his uncle, the german bishop Lukas Watzenrode, when Nikolaus fighted on behalf of the Preußischer Bund and made policy in the Preußische Landtag, studied and wrote in german and latin....what again makes him polish???
Bratwurst Boy   
21 Nov 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

Oh my Prince. Are you saying you wish to have Prussia between Germany and Poland again? LOL

:):):)

His father moved form Kraków.

Meaning?

Kraków was a member of the Hanseatic league and many craftsmen settled there, established businesses and formed craftsmen's guilds. City Law, including guilds' depictions and descriptions, were recorded in the German language Balthasar Behem Codex. This codex is now featured at the Jagiellonian library.

In 1475 delegates of the elector George the Rich of Bavaria came to Kraków to negotiate the marriage of Hedwig, the daughter of King Casimir IV Jagiello to George the Rich. Hedwig traveled for two months to Landshut in Bavaria, where an elaborate marriage celebration, the Landshut Wedding (Landshuter Hochzeit 1475) took place in St. Martin's church (Landshut).

He was fighting on this side.
IT wasn't only about taxes,...

What else?
Show me some proof that the prussian confederation was about polish independence or polish freedom or polish whatever...

I don't know if he was full Slavic Pole or Pole with mixed origin...

....or polish at all! :)
(His name was Nikolaus Koppernigk too btw, not "Mikolaj" or another polish aequivalent)
Bratwurst Boy   
21 Nov 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

Where do you find polish allegiance? But I agree with the rest....

That was Kopernikus' (and his uncle Lukas Watzenrodes) proven allegiance to as far as I know:

The Prussian Confederation or Alliance against Lordship (German: Preußischer Bund) was an organization formed on 21 February 1440 by a group of 53 gentry and clergy and 19 Prussian cities, under the leadership of the Hanseatic cities of Danzig (Gdansk), Elbing (Elblag), and Thorn (Torun).

Bratwurst Boy   
21 Nov 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

I don't see the reason to do it.

Well....that's you Luki! But then....your "reality" differs from us.

You have NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING to show that Kopernikus was polish but you chose to ignore that(Watzenrode family, using only german and latin, fighting for the prussian bund, member of the Preußischer Landtage etc)...well...it isn't going to change the truth!

You won't make a "Mikolaj Kopernik" out of a born "Nikolaus Koppernigk" face it!
And as Harry said...you are going even to lose Chopin if you go only by names...that's your logic Luki! No Kopernikus, no Chopin...not much to show off for Poland!
Bratwurst Boy   
21 Nov 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

You know you can tell me alot and this coat of arms means nothing to me but most importantly what has that to do with Kopernikus???

Apropos about your link:

""Szlachta" derives from the Old German word "slahta" (now "(Adels) Geschlecht", "(noble) family"), much as many other Polish words pertaining to the nobility derive from German words - e.g., the Polish "rycerz" ("knight", cognate of the German "Ritter") and the Polish "herb" ("coat of arms", from the German "Erbe", "heritage").
Poles of the 17th century assumed that "szlachta" was from the German "schlachten" ("to slaughter" or "to butcher"); also suggestive is the German "Schlacht" ("battle")."

I wonder what else of your family is from Germany, stems from german stock! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
21 Nov 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

Erm...it's still about Kopernikus, ya know???

PS: Now it's more than 200 years actually.....your proof of 1000 years is what?

Apropos Veleti, from your link:

The Veleti moved into modern Mecklenburg-Vorpommern and adjacent southern areas from the south in the course of the 6th-7th centuries, assimilating the remaining Germanic population and West Slav tribes that had previously moved into that area from the east.

See...we were there first! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
21 Nov 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

:))) don't try to make German or Prussian from me beacuse in whole Poland you can find I1A DNA...

Why not? What is now Poland was once Germany, Austria or Russia...(and even further back it was where german tribes roamed freely)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizard_Union_(medieval)

And that has to do with Kopernikus what exactly?

like 30% of German population...

....and likewise 30 percent of the Poles??? We should share! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
21 Nov 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

I,m not cross breed my family has been living in this country for 1000 years (the most propably much for longer).

I want proof! :):):)

Some more infos about the "Preußischer Bund" (Prussian Confederation) on whose side Kopernikus and his uncle Watzenrode fighted:

germannotes.com/archive/prussian-confederation-p-563.html

The Prussian Confederation or Alliance against Lordship (German: Preußischer Bund) was an organization formed on 21 February 1440 by a group of 53 gentry and clergy and 19 Prussian cities, under the leadership of the Hanseatic cities of Danzig (Gdansk), Elbing (Elblag), and Thorn (Torun).

Its purpose was the resistance against high taxes and policies of the Teutonic Order. The disgruntled Teutonic Knight Johannes von Baysen led them, and eventually was appointed governor of Royal Prussia.

Doesn't sound like a "polish resistance fight" to me....and it has also nothing to do with "Germanization" :)
(Poor Nicki became rather an example for tried "polonization"!)

I have my opinion about eastern Germans talking about being ancient Slavic or ancient Germanic etc ..

I don't want to know! LOL
Bratwurst Boy   
21 Nov 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

Soldier in Polish army, Polish bones - POLISH

Soldier in the "PREUSSISCHER BUND", bones identified as those of Kopernikus, NOT as polish - GERMAN!

I see you are typical eastern German who wants to prove that he is more German that he realy is (using Hitler terms)

I see a mixed breed trying to deny his german roots and being more polish than the pure Poles! :)

Some facts about Frauenburg where he died:

The town was founded as a defensive stronghold on an Old Prussian site. In 1224 at Catania, Emperor Frederick II declared Prussia directly subordinate to the church and Holy Roman Empire. Later in the same year the pope assigned Bishop William of Modena as the papal legate to Prussia.

The same as Torn...both cities are hardly a conclusive proof for the "polishness" of their citizens!
Bratwurst Boy   
21 Nov 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

Idiot...listen carefully, I'm talking extra slowly:

As it was custom in his time to latinize your surname when you want to be part of the smart ones he changed his real family name "Koppernigk" to "Copernicus" also "Kopernikus" (his german variant).

"Kopernik" means absolutely nothing but a re-polonized version of the latin version!

Poles not only re-polonized his name to "Mikolaj Kopernik" (Ha) but tried to do the same with the whole man!
Bratwurst Boy   
21 Nov 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

BB, go get a job...

Ditto :)

Yes Polish version of this name exists in reality - more of them live in Poland (138) than in Germany(58)

Whoa! What an argument!!! :):):)

I AGREE - ONLY POLISH VERSION "KOPERNIK" IS REAL.

???

you gave problem with Polish people.

Well...where am I wrong? :)
Bratwurst Boy   
21 Nov 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

Why are Poles so concerned with Copernicus?...Hasn't Poland developed any new talent in the past few years, let alone the last 1000?

Quite...

I think he means "of international" standing! A "ski" in the name and being known in the neighbourhood doesn't cut it..
Bratwurst Boy   
20 Nov 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

Find me person with this name. It doesn't exist in reality.

In OUR reality it exists at least to the family Koppernigks times...I'm not
sure about your reality Luki...it's so different!

google.com/search?hl=en&q=Koppernigk&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=

Latin was official language in writtig few years after Kopernik we have started to use Polish.

Erm...that was uncomprehensible, please try again...
Oh and please bring me some proof that Kopernikus ever used or even knew polish, thank you!

She is very good example :)

Yes...like Crow!

....good night! Till tomorrow...
Bratwurst Boy   
20 Nov 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

Only his Polish name exists in reality - Kopernik ... what is more mostly in Poland. (we have made this point several times.

It's Koppernigk...you just tune out facts Lukasz, how do you do this??? :)

we have made this point several times.

Remind me again? I must have missed them...

She is good example to show why your arguments are wrong because she is very German.

Erm...you want to debate Kopernikus with the help of Mrs. Merkel??? Well...you become as wierd as Crowie...
Bratwurst Boy   
20 Nov 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

The thread topic is about Kopernikus...not Mrs. Merkel (even if I find your interest in her rather cute).

Why should Kopernikus be polish...NOTHING supports this but still you say it.

*slavic soul* LOL

Copernicus mother had German name like many Poles in modern Poland and he was Polish.

Well...at Kopernikus' time there wasn't a "modern Poland" and the fact that so many Poles have german names is also a sign of the many border changes...

(And those "modern Poles" with german names speak at least polish fluently I think...something there is no proof for that Kopernikus ever did)
Bratwurst Boy   
20 Nov 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

Whatever facts back up German Copernicus, you cannot argue that he fought and killed his own brothers from the Teutonic Order in order to preserve POLISH state integrity.

Well..whatever he did he did it with the Preußischer Bund (together with his uncle Lukas Watzenrode).
It was a war between the Preußischer Bund and the Teutonic Order about money and taxes mostly...

He was born in a town which was some years back german and was still Hansestadt, the city changed hands, the population didn't...

But you know all the facts as I do....let's share him!

I wonder, if I made some groundbreaking discovery, would Poland, or Greece claim me as their own? Poland because I was born and grew up there? Or Greece because I went to school there?

I thought you were Pole???
Bratwurst Boy   
20 Nov 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

Because he's a true blooded Pole that hates Germans like we all do that's why ass hole or do some history research!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Erm...you came to this groundbreaking discovery how exactly??? :)

Did you read the whole thread already???