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Joined: 15 Aug 2007 / Female ♀
Last Post: 27 Jan 2015
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Magdalena   
12 Jul 2012
Life / Individualism in Polish culture...Is it almost Nonexistant? [170]

Just saying, "I don't like it when people tell me what to do,"

But it's not just about saying it - it's about living it! :-) And doing your own thing.

Poland used to be a socialist country, just like North Korea. Now think how that turned out in Poland. ;-)
Magdalena   
12 Jul 2012
Life / Individualism in Polish culture...Is it almost Nonexistant? [170]

Anybody can be stubborn and fight the power

You know what's funny? Most people aren't though.
It's not as easy as it seems and it's not attractive or fashionable. It's just something you are - it's being XYZ, a particular person, an individual. It all boils down to that.
Magdalena   
12 Jul 2012
Life / Individualism in Polish culture...Is it almost Nonexistant? [170]

I just don't see it.

It's not a question of architecture, skin colour, or artistic ability. It's about not following rules, of thinking for yourself, of questioning authority. Not on a grand scale though - just locally, individually. A typical example would be a pig-headed farmer who refuses to cooperate with his neighbours over some farming issue or other, because "he likes doing things his own way". Most of the time, he's wrong, and "his own way" is either outdated or inefficient, but so what? The other farmers are thinking the same, no matter what a well-meaning "agricultural advisor" from the city might want or wish ;-)

Say things like "cooperative", "civic responsiblity" or "community effort" in the presence of most Poles and hackles will rise ;-)

This doesn't mean that Poles are incapable of doing anything for the community or as a team - but the initiative has to come from a group of individuals, and be taken up by other individuals, who will each judge for himself/herself whether they like it or not; it will not be accepted / respected if it comes from an official body or comes in the form of an order.
Magdalena   
11 Jul 2012
Language / The English 'To Get' & Dostać vs Otrzymać [15]

dostać - get
otrzymać - receive

It's not a perfect correlation, but it works. You can receive a grade, you can receive praise or results. On the other hand, you cannot receive a fever.

Also, get is less formal while receive is more formal.
Magdalena   
10 Jul 2012
News / What really happened at the Krakow restaurant? [53]

I read the Wyborcza article linked to, plus another one on the same website: and all I can say is that both sides behaved terribly. You come into a restaurant where the staff tell you that they're just now closing, but what do you do? You sit down and then start moving some tables together for a larger party. You call a member of staff a redneck. You generally behave as if you owned the place. Not nice. On the other hand, the staff were rude and did tell their customers to go back to Israel or wherever, the question is, if the customers were e.g. obviously from Warsaw, wouldn't they tell them to eff off to Warsaw? And would that be racist or city-ist or whatever?

Overall, I wouldn't call it a racist incident, or an antisemitic one, I would call it a nasty row with bad manners and arrogance demonstrated by all involved.
Magdalena   
4 Jul 2012
Life / Individualism in Polish culture...Is it almost Nonexistant? [170]

when compared to the German and Russian teachers

Do you know German and Russian fluently yourself? If not, those teacher's performance might have been enhanced by the fact that you weren't in a position to see any mistakes they might have made and / or pronunciation problems they might have had.
Magdalena   
3 Jul 2012
Life / Individualism in Polish culture...Is it almost Nonexistant? [170]

Precisely what I routinely heard from all my older students.

I was in secondary school in the eighties and most of my friends had English at school, I did as well. This was in Warsaw though so the percentages might be a bit skewed. Some teachers were good, some brilliant, some unbelievably bad ;-)

Nevertheless, a lot of people got at least a smattering of English, which many then chose to forget the way I chose to forget trigonometry and chemistry. English was also routinely taught at universities of course. There were also private and state-run foreign language courses, and many people went down the self-study route.

So people who tell you they don't speak English because they didn't have the chance to learn are most probably avoiding the truth. I have heard that excuse countless times myself and most of the time I can tell it's not the gospel truth ;-) They are probably embarrassed to admit that they weren't that keen on studying English anyway and then forgot what little they had learnt once they left school.
Magdalena   
3 Jul 2012
Life / Individualism in Polish culture...Is it almost Nonexistant? [170]

We don't have the big family get togethers like we used to and no one stays in touch either, quite sad really.

Some families do, others don't, and I haven't really noticed much change in that.

I didn't mean individualism in a fashion sense lol

Funnily enough, the way you dress says a lot about how you feel about yourself as an individual, how you see your place within society ;-) It's not just a question of following fashion. And if you follow fashion blindly, well, that tells us a lot as well ;-)
Magdalena   
3 Jul 2012
Life / Individualism in Polish culture...Is it almost Nonexistant? [170]

The more religious the people the more self-sacrifice and social dogma to think a certain way there is.

Catholicism was always individualistic. It's about YOU and God, not a group of people and God. I hope you see where this leads. Also, even though most Poles are brought up in the Catholic tradition, to many of them it's precisely that: a tradition, a cultural backdrop against which they play out their very often "sinful" lives ;-)

and there is a lot of individualism in Polish society now compared to 30 years ago.

I can assure you that people were as individualistic, or possibly even more, when times were dreary and gray. For example, young people tended to dress much more outrageously than today (I should know, I was one of them). ;-)
Magdalena   
3 Jul 2012
Life / Individualism in Polish culture...Is it almost Nonexistant? [170]

would you say that Poles are collectivists at heart?

No way. Where there are two Poles, there are at least 3 opinions ;-)
I would say Poles are one of the most anarchic and individualistic nations on the planet, probably. History shows that we only come together in times of national tragedy and turmoil. When all is well, it's every man for himself... ;-)
Magdalena   
1 Jul 2012
Real Estate / Why so many incomplete kitchens in Polish rental flats? [24]

Sorry for the misunderstanding, but you said:

by not including two of the most use appliances in the home?

so I started thinking about stuff that was not included (in any form) ;-)

It must be a new trend with the tiny appliances, maybe more and more landlords think that hardly anyone cooks at home anymore? That it's somehow "trendy" and sends the right message? Or maybe, but this is in stark contrast to the obviously expensive refurbishment, they think they will end up renting to students and don't want the hassle with people cooking, using up gas and electricity (and maybe not paying the bills on time), and probably ruining the nice counter tops and tiles with burnt and spilt food. Who knows. I'm baffled. ;-)
Magdalena   
1 Jul 2012
News / SUNDAY WITHOUT MASS IN POLAND - Judaeo-leftist Wyborcza gloats [165]

40% of Poles regularly attended Sunday mass

You are all fighting over nothing. Most Poles are still attending, but about half are brave enough to admit that it's not every single Sunday ;-) BTW, lots and lots of agnostics and atheists also attend Mass (I used to) for the sake of family members etc. So in fact you have absolutely no idea what's really going on the church-going universe ;-p
Magdalena   
1 Jul 2012
Real Estate / Why so many incomplete kitchens in Polish rental flats? [24]

If you're looking for the washing machine, it should be in the bathroom. I can't really guess what the other appliance would be, unless it's the dishwasher, and AFAIK dishwashers are seen as a bit of a needless luxury in Poland (unless you have a bunch of kids) (and I actually agree). I guess the idea is that if you want more stuff, you buy it yourself (and maybe take it off the rent or something). BTW I'm renting a nice flat in the UK and the fridge was not supplied by the landlord.
Magdalena   
28 Jun 2012
News / Bieganski, the Brute Polak and Debbie Schlussel (about the Polonia) [19]

Why don't you provide a link to the blog article if it's so interesting?
Also, regarding Ms Schlussel, reasoning with her is impossible. It is equally stupid trying to shock her into understanding or venting your frustration with her - she either deletes or ignores any intelligent output coming from opponents on her website, and ridicules the rest. It's just feeding the troll.
Magdalena   
27 Jun 2012
History / Poland and Polish Anti-Semitism, c. 1918-1939 [148]

For example, anybody who knows anything about Muranow knows that it is built not only on ruins of the ghetto but from the ruins of the ghetto.

From this?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Warsaw_Ghetto_destroyed_by_German_forces,_1945.jpg

No, I don't really think that such ruins could be used in further construction. Should I treat all your statements as lies from now on?
Magdalena   
27 Jun 2012
History / Poland and Polish Anti-Semitism, c. 1918-1939 [148]

It tries to portray all Jews in Poland as being a fifth column which sought to overthrow the Polish state.

He never says that.

is more than just a sweeping generalisation: it is another anti-semitic canard which the author uses to try to portray Jews as people who all shunned gentile Poles.

He never says that.

And I do so love his little 'all Jews love money' crap.

He never says that.You are having a problem with your own projections here, I am afraid.

he want to maintain the myth that all Jews in Poland lived in shtetl, had massive beards and looked funny.

He never says that, and if you actually read on, you would know want the author wants to maintain. But abandoning you preconceptions would be way too difficult.

You really are getting desperate if you're trying to make us believe that the inhabitants of Muranow were living in an isolated community. Have you ever actually been to Warsaw.

1) Have you ever been to Leyton, London? A close-knit Pakistani community if there ever was one. Yet no visible demarcations anywhere.
2) Yes, I actually do possess a passing knowledge of Warszawa (that's irony in case you wondered).
3) Have you ever seen photos, or read accounts of, the pre-war Leszno in Warszawa? Do you know that Muranów is a post-war development built on the ruins of the ghetto?

Have a read, unless you find it antisemitic as well: zmh.um.warszawa.pl/wstep_a2.htm

"It is this area that became the promised land for the Warsaw Jews. They associate everything that was Jewish in Warsaw with it. The streets and alleyways, apartment houses and courtyards, the distinctive atmosphere, the unique local color, and the one-of-a-kind multilingual hubbub. Jewish Warsaw was a microcosm of its own. It contained an infinite variety of forms and aspects of life, it held enormous contrasts in wealth and customs, and was a singular example of a city within a city. The topography of this place was complicated and multi-layered, though subjected to its own order and hierarchy. "
Magdalena   
27 Jun 2012
History / Poland and Polish Anti-Semitism, c. 1918-1939 [148]

I could go on, but what would be the point?

Before "going on", would you kindly read the whole text? Because it contains a lot more than just sweeping generalisations.
Also, you say:

In Poland, Jews lived in closed, tightly knit, isolated communities largely of their own making.

[...] Jews accounted for a third of the population of Warsaw. For the same proportion in Lodz. For 42% of the population in Lwow. 45% in Wilno. Yes, some Jews did live in closed, tightly knit, isolated communities but the majority did not: more than three quarters of Jews lived in cities and towns.

You are absolutely right, and the author is right as well. It is quite possible to live in cities and towns while creating closed, tightly knit, isolated communities. Warszawa, Kraków, or Prague had large, separate Jewish quarters. Without resorting to words like "ghetto", you can see identical processes taking place in modern Britain or the US, for example. Some parts of London / New York have been pretty much taken over by Poles / Greeks / Chinese / Pakistanis...

I could counter all your other arguments in a similar way, but unless you read further than page 2 of the essay, I am simply not interested.
Magdalena   
27 Jun 2012
History / Poland and Polish Anti-Semitism, c. 1918-1939 [148]

Pity it is from a source which can't get the basics about Poland right.

When you say "source" do you mean the site hosting the essay, or the essay itself? That's a very important distinction we need to make right at the start.
Magdalena   
26 Jun 2012
History / Poland and Polish Anti-Semitism, c. 1918-1939 [148]

I cannot tell you how emphatically and angrily my granddad denies being a Jew and claims to be a Polish Lithuanian who is related to the infamous Anti Semite Stefan Czarniecki

What proof (i.e. hard facts) do you have to support the claim that your family were ever Jewish? Just curious. Czarnecki is a typical Polish surname, so you can't go by that.
Magdalena   
26 Jun 2012
History / Poland and Polish Anti-Semitism, c. 1918-1939 [148]

Real eye opener,you will learn a lot about jews in Poland.

The link is a great read. Thanks for sharing it. I followed it from the other thread but then it was closed so I never had a chance to say anything. I would really encourage everyone to read the essay. It is very well researched and based mostly on primary Jewish sources.
Magdalena   
25 Jun 2012
Life / Is Poland a poor country? [578]

5200 brits in poland

Wow. You just went from 50 000 to 5 200 in several posts. Respect, man!
Magdalena   
25 Jun 2012
Life / Is Poland a poor country? [578]

it's not for the roads, driving or food.

...the poor things... I really feel for them.
Magdalena   
25 Jun 2012
Life / Is Poland a poor country? [578]

about 50,000 Brits in Poland.

If you look at it his way, why are there ANY Brits in Poland at all then?