Law / UK born, want to move to Poland. Rules? [17]

Yes that's pretty much true in all developdd countries (except israel) but what I'm getting at is that religious institutions can purchase farmland without the requirements of residing in the area for 5 years and being a farmer by trade/education. So theoretically couldn't a person form a church and buy farmland if they don't meet the other requirements, especially if theyre looking to mostly purchase a farm for personal and not commercial reasons?

If the op moves to a rural area especially in the east I have a feeling she'll get sick of poland quickly and want to move back to uk. It'll be hard to communicate with anyone without knowing polish. Forget about finding recreation let alone a good job.

Imo the suburbs and villages on the outskirts of larger cities have the best of both worlds. You have the privacy and open land but are still connected to the infrastructure and are close close to the city for things like work, shopping, nightlife, etc.

One of our polish workers, a hardcore goral through and through, has a place in karkonosze. I stayed there for a week during the winter and was bored out of my mind. A foot of snow fell and everything slowed to a crawl. I couldn't even leave there till it melted and theres of course no plows. Eventually I just said screw it and started hiking to the closest town which was almost a whole day of walking.

Law / UK born, want to move to Poland. Rules? [17]

If you have an appetite for risk, are a day trader or have a diversified portfolio where the wig stocks are the risky portion, then the wig 20 is okay. Still though, there's much better stocks to invest in outside of poland. The lon is only an hour behind too so you won't miss out on news if you're day trading.

Re farmland purchases I read that religious organizations are mostly exempt from the new laws.

Language / Meaning of "w tern" in Polish [27]


Not true. I.E.

see 1st paragraph on 2nd page

....bardziej umacnialo w tern przekonaniu

kalinowski.weebly.com/uploads/4/9/1/6/4916495/ukrainskie_szkoly_powszechne_w_rejowcu_i_wereszczach_duzych_1939.pdf

Law / UK born, want to move to Poland. Rules? [17]

Compared to uk cities especislly london, poland is still far cheaper but yes it is getting more expensive due to increased wages locally, Poles bringing their fortunes from abroad including uk amd rising population of ukranians, Indians and increasingly western expats and retirees. A simple row house can easily cost 500k pounds plus in middle/upper middle class area of london, and with a place like kensington even a 2 bedroom goes for 1 mil and up. For those kinds of prices you could build yourself a small palace from scratch or buy a big 3 bedroom in a nice building.

In skytower in wroclaw a nice spacious condo cost a bit over 1 min zloty which is grossly overpriced all things considered and they sell slowly, but a similar unit in say london you'd pay double, triple even 5x, 10x as much if you're looking at certain areas like kensington. Even in Newcastle it's not that easy to find a spacious 2 3 bedroom for 250 300k pounds unless you go to a ****** area.

Besides, the op shouldn't buy a property until she and her husband know they want to stay for sure, whether in poland or any other country.

Law / UK born, want to move to Poland. Rules? [17]


Almost half the active members on here are Brits who moved to Poland. They know quite a bit about this move.

As a PolAm (Polish born and raised, living in US) I can tell you a few things are key:

1) learn as much Polish as possible. While many youth speak English, most signs, government offices, various institutions only use Polish. In the cities English is fairly common amongst younger people, the Poles who lived abroad and moved back, etc. but nonetheless Polish still is the dominant spoken language by far. If you live in a more rural area there will be very few English speakers.

2) Be very careful when purchasing property in Poland and deal only with reputable agencies. Many foreigners get preyed upon in business and property transactions because they're ignorant of the regulations. Also, there's a new law that prevents foreigners from buying farm land.

3) If you need to get a job start looking early. Don't plan on getting by teaching English. Even though it's probably the easiest job to get, the pay is awful. The average wages in the cities are around 4,000 zloty a month (around $1,100), teachers tend to earn below that. There's a few international recruiting companies that can help you. If you an IT pro, you'll find a good job quickly. I'd recommend using a renowned international recruiting company and targeting multinational and transnational firms directly.

If you're planning on retirement, make some investments to get cash flow going. I would NOT recommend opening up a small business in Poland for a foreigner if they're putting up their own capital. You can try something small out like a service based business that doesn't require a lot of start-up capital, but still I'd shy away from it. Better to invest elsewhere. The Polish stock market is quite volatile too and has a limited amount of companies listed I believe only around 500. Better to buy on US or British exchanges imo.

4) Real estate is FAR FAR cheaper in Poland than in UK - especially compared to London. For example, there's several brand new town homes on the Wroclaw outskirts about 10 minutes drive from the city center that are start at 400k zloty - about $110k+.

Honestly I would recommend renting before you buy though to make sure you like living in Poland. You can get a nice place in a city for around 3.5k zloty.

5) Take care of all the legalities i.e. PESEL, car registration, etc.

Language / Meaning of "w tern" in Polish [27]

Lyzko w armiji isnt used its w armii. Its always been armia far as i can remember i.e. armia, z armii, w armii, etc.. never heard or seen armija, armiji etc. Also wojsko is used more frequently used than armia. Even sily zbrojne (armed forces) is more common now. Far as I know last time armia was officially used was the ak armia krajowa, druga armia wojskiego polskiego, etc.

I've seen 'w tern' in some books but never heard it used in speech. It seems like it's used similar to w tym.

History / First Polish Army part of Red Army? [2]

1st and 2nd Polish armies were formed in the Soviet Union. 1st was under soviet command and had tons of Russian officers while the 2nd aka anders army was under British command/Polish government In exile..

Life / Popular Polish parenthood websites, magazines, key parenthood personalities [2]

I hear sygnal is popular amongst teachers and parents but I've never read it as I don't have kids, that I know of anyway. You can also get child rearing info from polki.pl kobieta.pl etc. Theres also aamerican magazines like cosmo. Google keywords like magazyny/ksiazki wychowawcze, wychowanie, etc.

All Polish Youth is a great organization if you are a social conservative and wish for your kids to be brought up loving poland, traditional values, religion, etc.

News / Poland blocks any action on climate change [569]

Right because PO really made a huge dent in coal mining and old school stoves that many poles use. Everyone knows how polluted katowice and even Krakow are, but they understand coal is important to Poland and feeds some 100k people directly, far more indirectly from coal companies employees wages.

Until there's a cheaper source, or at least one close to the price of energy produced by coal, Poles gotta use their key resource. It's almost like telling russia or Saudi Arabia to stop producing and using oil.

News / Poland blocks any action on climate change [569]

That's because developed countries aren't going to drastically change their economy. Countries like China simply don't care, russia wants more global warming bc they can take advantage of the arctic, us pulled out of Paris accord, etc. Jobs and livelihood is more important than what may happen w the environment in future generations. It's cheaper to fix **** when the climate changes so much buy the miff

News / Poland blocks any action on climate change [569]

Doesn't change the fact that it's true. Same as the fact that man made c02 causes the climate to change is merely a hypothesis, an opinion, as it cannot be proven using the scientific method. Furthermore, as NASA points out the data is highly varied and predictive models don't match data. But NASA is just a bout of climate change denying anti-vaxxers too right?

Both sides are obviously funded:

scientificamerican.com/article/dark-money-funds-climate-change-denial-effort
theguardian.com/environment/2007/feb/02/frontpagenews.climatechange
arstechnica.com/science/2016/05/if-climate-scientists-push-the-consensus-its-not-for-the-money
nowtheendbegins.com/diabolical-lie-called-climate-change-used-un-promote-economic-agenda

News / Poland blocks any action on climate change [569]

The vast majority of scientists studying climate change, global warming, etc are paid to come up with a certain conclusion. Naturally they won't bite the hand that feeds them. If you know about statistics you know that you can manipulate data and the tests used to make conclusions i.e. z test, t test, anova, etc. Seeing as climate change cannot be proven using repeated experiments that all reach the same conclusion the scientific method, that means these are just opinions as jon pointed out, not facts

News / Poland blocks any action on climate change [569]

Nasa proves predictive models are erroneous i.e. data showed regions experienced cooling where warming was expected, data does not match the predictive models. That is why all of crazy Al 's predictions never came true.

It is simply cheaper for the developed world to deal with climate change than drastically alter basically every sector of the economy. Plus the two largest economies us and China dgaf about climate change. Others like russia want the climate to keep warming because it helps promote trade routes and developing the Arctic.

And the international agreements are about setting a limit on how high temperatures can go up because short of altering everyone's life people and the economy understand that there's little they can do

News / Poland blocks any action on climate change [569]

And that's why profit minded people dgaf about climate change... it's only third world countries who demand gibs from europeans and the liberals fall for it using b.s. like developed countries are causing pollution in Africa even though facts show the most industrialized richest counties have the cleanest air and environments while Africa has among the worst pollution despite back far behind in development

You think China is going to change their m.o because of western liberal tears or give africans 100 bil euro for free? Hell no.

News / Poland blocks any action on climate change [569]

Perhaps. But is that directly a result of man man c02? That cannot be definitively established as a fact as it not only fails the scientific method in terms of testing a variable against a control in an experiment which will always give the same result, but also the recorded data does not match predictive models. Assuming the scientists who are for or against limiting c02 took a 101 level lab, they would understand that. I'm not a scientist, I dropped out of pre-med and switched to business but the scientific method, reading dating, making predictive models, the differences between theories, axioms, laws, etc. are literally the first thing you learn.

News / Poland blocks any action on climate change [569]

Yes they are melting. But none of the doom and gloom predictions of al gore et al ever came true. They've been saying the ice caps will be gone in 5, 10 20 etc years ever since the 70s.

From nasa:
Over the past decade, different "merging" techniques resulted in different long-term temperature trends, not all of which showed the warming that climate models predicted should have occurred. edicted should have occurred. Some early analyses even suggested that parts of the troposphere (lower atmosphere), where warming was expected, had cooled. The lack of an unequivocal warming trend in the troposphere was sometimes used to challenge both the reality of human-induced global warming as well as the reliability of climate models. While all the long-term atmospheric data sets now show a warming trend, they do not all show theamplified warming (greater warming of the atmosphere than the surface) that models predict. According to the U.S. Climate Change Science Program report, this remaining uncertainty may be due to additional errors or to limitations in the models' ability to simulate the impact of global warming on different atmospheric layers.

In summary, the data differs and may errors, predictive models don't match data, cooling occurred when warning was predicted, models fail to create accurate predictions and there is little consensus.

News / Poland blocks any action on climate change [569]


I could only hope so. The climate has definitely changed here over the past 20 years. Winters are generally more mild and summers don't have the power line melting heat and humidity anymore. I love it and hope this trend continues. Maybe in time the Midwest will be a sort of a Florida winter get away type of destination. People will start putting in swimming pools in their homes which will definitely be a plus for me. If San Fran and Miami become submerged underwater that would be awesome. You can't even walk around in San Fran without stepping in homeless people's sh1t or used needles anymore thanks to ultra liberal policies. Yet climate change is their top priority.... even though the US has among the lowest levels of pollution despite being the greatest producer of c02.


Why? People like Al Gore have been saying that ice caps will melt ever since the 70s. I've lost count of the statements he's made that haven't come true. But I do remember the percentage - 100%. Scientists can't even agree if we're going through global warming or global cooling.

You think the Chinese care about this? They won't even consider paying any sort of money to countries that can manage their own environments and can't even build sewers let alone efficient power plants. If it gets in the way of economic progress you can bet the Chinese won't be on board. It's only foolish Europeans and Americans, which as the images I've posted yesterday show, have the lowest pollution levels while third world countries have the highest even though their c02 emissions are far smaller than EU, USA, and other developed countries.

The ozone layer hole has shrunk to record low... livescience.com/27049-ozone-hole-shrinks-record-low.html
even though c02 emissions has clearly gone up worldwide over the past decade.


If global warming is indeed occurring and threatens to melt ice caps, isn't an island the last place you'd want to be?

News / Poland blocks any action on climate change [569]



Are they scientists? Do they understand the scientific method? If so, they would know in order for a hypothesis to be an established fact/law variables must be isolated and tested against a control and achieve the same results in every experiment. Thus, testing global warming/cooling is impossible, at the moment, thus confirm it cannot be confirmed a scientific fact as any theories fail to advance beyond the theory that man made c02 caused global warming/cooling. This is chem/bio/physics lab 101 type basics...


No different than 'green' types promoting a package of mental disease like making soy a big part of diets, lgbt rights and giving turd worlders gibs. This is why I love Czar Putin I. If someone paid greenpeace soy boy tied himself to a tree they'd chop it down with him standing there. And the guy would be looked as a hero for getting rid of undesirable 'western elements'

Anyway, its breakfast time. For every animal some soy boy vegan doesn't eat, I am going to eat three. Our ranchers need support.

News / Poland blocks any action on climate change [569]


Well, the theory of evolution is still that - a theory not a law/rule. At least with evolution the argument can be made that it is an axiom/postulate based upon the large amount of evidence, experiments and very similar conclusions reached by numerous scientists. Climate change fails this test since an experiment cannot be devised and thus assumption are based upon induction, plus it is impossible to isolate the countless variables to see if man made pollution indeed causes global warming/climate change so a deductive experiment based conclusions where a variable is tested against control is impossible. Any climate change scientist, regardless of how much data he or she has and the inductive conclusions they've made will admit that climate change is a theory, not a fact. Is there evidence that suggests man made co2 emissions warm the earth? Perhaps. But the extent to which is inconclusive, an experiment cannot test this, and even the hypothesis reached by earth and atmosphere scientists vary. Some say that we're coming off a mini ice age, others explain that during the middle ages weather was much warmer than it is now, other's have been saying that the ice caps will be gone within the next 5, 10, 20 years ever since the 70's


Al Gore is a loon indeed. All of his stuff is B.S. and none of it has come true.


Like what? Hosting coal conferences to buddy up with Emperor Orange's minions? Coal is going nowhere in Poland. Polish people aren't going to give that up and neither will they agree to be taxed to pay for 'pollution' that poor countries cause themselves.

News / Poland blocks any action on climate change [569]


You realize that the most polluted countries are also the ones that are least developed, while the most developed countries tend to be the least polluted?

The pollution in Africa isn't caused by Americans driving cars or Polish people using coal. The pollution is caused by third worlders doing third worlder things - Nigerians having tons of illegal oil refineries and dumping their **** everywhere, burning electronics to extract copper and gold, etc. Third worlders don't have proper sewage systems let alone pollution controls.


Bum deal? I write this while sitting inside my big ass house wearing a silk bathrobe while others are slaving away at poverty wages. And if western society is promoting things like gay marriage and multiculturalism yeah I want no part of that. I'm totally content with my family and small group of like minded friends and gfs.

That's why I love my Polish homeland since my fellow countrymen are among the few European nations where the majority rejects things like third world migration, gay marriage, etc. Couldn't be prouder of my motherland. And they do things like host climate conferences in coal country while banning annoying greenpeace activities lololol.

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News / Poland blocks any action on climate change [569]

theblaze.com/contributions/8-highly-inconvenient-facts-for-al-gore-10-years-after-his-infamous-movie

naturalnews.com/2018-01-01-al-gores-climate-change-predictions-implode-as-everybody-realizes-the-north-pole-didnt-completely-melt.html

Still waiting for those ice caps to melt and put California, Miami and NYC under water Mr. Gore....

Funny because none of the things he wrote about in 'Inconvenient Truth' (should've called it scientifically unproven lies instead)

News / Poland blocks any action on climate change [569]


Kind of like how countless 'the sky is falling the sky is falling' dems like Al Gore have been talking about the glaciers being totally within a decade melted ever since the 70's? Yeah maybe a few arctic glaciers melted even though the Antarctic is still fine, so what? I hope the liberal coast cities go under water quicker.

You realize that climate change is a THEORY, not a fact/law, right? It does not satisfy a fact/law based on the scientific method. You're dead in the water at step 4. It is therefore at best a conjecture.

Besides, pollution can be useful. I always make sure to empty out my car's ashtrays and floor matts in a ****** neighborhood. I think of it as doing my part in keeping less desirable property values low, and my neighborhoods high. And you all say I'm selfish and have no sense of community... So there's no reason why developed countries can't keep doing it in the third world. Why would we want to pollute our own homes? Something about ******** where you eat comes to mind....


None of which would work - maybe cruise ship tax but not at several times the price. People would simply stop going or travel to another country and buy their tickets there - similar to how PolAms buy airline tickets in Poland when they travel to places like Egypt, Thailand, Bulgaria, etc. to avoid the $300 per ticket tax in the US. Wealthy people simply move assets to places where they are taxed less - and tax havens will ALWAYS exist.

You can all enjoy your puny little 4 bangers if you want and ride around on public transportation like a bunch of schmucks, I'll take my American or German v8s thank you very much in all its 400hp glory and help make our winters a bit warmer. You can thank me once the hypothesis that humans are mostly responsible is finally proven by the scientific method.

Global warming just might be social Darwinism's best friend.

UK, Ireland / Mixed feelings after moving from Poland to England [36]

nice to see some british cops finally growing a pair. now if their leaders gave them actual weapons like every other self respecting police force like mace, pistol, etc they wouldnt need to use their cars. instead of actually using the police to crack down on murders esp in london, which recently exceeded nyc, and give them tools to do their job they instead spend millions on a thought crime police force to fine and arrest anyone that posts uncomfortable facts about multiculturalism, especially the muslim child grooming squads which the uk isnt too keen on cracking down on either. yup because going after people expressing their thoughts is definetely a bigger problem than stabbings, child grooming gangs, etc. oh but dont think for a second theyll crack down on known isis/al nusra/al qaeda supporters who march with sharia 4 uk signs and yell britain go to tell. nope arrests and fines for freedom of speech are only for those who dont toe the pc multikulti line.

the police in uk are pathetic so this imo is a move in the right direction. previously the cops would let the thiefs go because they were too scared of liberals whining that a purse snatcher got injured. now theyre finally doing something about it. still its a shame that most cops dont even have mace, let alone a gun. thats why they end up in situations where 4 muslims stomp on a cop and he cant even defend himself, much less go after violent criminals. the criminals in the uk know the cops are defenseless so they fight back and run. you think a career criminal is going to stop just because you whistle at him lol?

UK, Ireland / Mixed feelings after moving from Poland to England [36]

here some w youths jacking and trying to jack food delivery driver

youtu.be/sG8KJumM7Pw
youtu.be/cgCtLRQkkro
youtu.be/pGdrF_6qUqY

if the met is ramming thieves off mopeds i salute them

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]


yes. just as in 1991 poles changed homosexuality as not beimg a mental disease. that doesng change the fact that in 1932, 1991 and 2018 gay marraige amd adoption are illegal

poles are liberal in some respects, absolutely. but it is nothing lile the liberalism of w europe. even the more liberal PO party would be considered conservative or at the very least centrist in w europe usa canada etc. its all relative though.

@dolnoslask

idk about that. abortion was widespread amd on demand in the PRL. yet up until recently it was all buy banned. even now abortion is more restrictive than w europe

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]

the reasons behind such views and actions are due to polish peoples experiences, culture, religion, worldview, etc.

those are simply factual examples of the reality in poland today. regardless of how someone disputes it, the refusal to take in eus migrant quotas, not signimg tue migration pact, gay marraige and adoption are illegal, cross hangs in parliament, etc are all facf.

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]


yes relevant to the other countries absolutely. that was hundreds of years ago when poland was one of the most multicultural and liberal.countries.

today that is not the case. poland today is far more socially conservative than its neighbors.

here are the reasons why poland and poles are more conservative and lean to the right far more than w european countries

1. poland pulled out of the un migration pact alongside austria hungary usa and australia. all w european countries signed an agreement that would further change their demographics and destroy the native culture. polish government and poles dont want this.

2. 3/4 of poles are against migration from middle east amd africa. w europe takes them in by the literal boatload, poland refused.
3. the cross hangs in the sejm, religious holidays even more obscure ones like corpus christi are government holidays. Christ was declared the official king of poland. w european governments are far more secular. there are no crosses in the bundestag nor does government maintain such close ties to the church.

4. gay marraige and adoption is illegal in poland. majority of poles do not support these things. in w europe that isnt the case. gay marraige is legal amd supported by the majority.

thosr are just 4 reasons why poland TODAY is far more socially conservative and less liberal and multicultural than w europe.


of course it changed. youre talking about centuries ago. most people still thought the world was flat and the center of the universe

plus it was liberal RELATIVE to other europeam countries ar the time. just as TODAY poland is socially conservative RELATIVE to w europe

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]


it made homosexuality not a crime and recognized them as a group no different than poles recognizing the gypsies.

just like when you said earlier that if the german government were spending tens of billions on migrants itd be noticed thus implying my claim is b.s. despite numerous sources backing my claim up.... well so now do you say i have an image of poland whicy isnt factual, even though for one i am a pole by blood, birth and citizenship and know how my fellow poles are, but even disregard that.. fact is that gay marraige remains illegal as does adoption because the majoriry od poles dont support it

hell abortion was a hassle to pass. gay marraige? forget about it.

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]

My image? Not factual? The fact is gay marriage is illegal in Poland, as is adoption by gay couples. Furthermore, the surveys prove my point that the majority of Poles do not support such things.

Explain to me how the Polish constitution, the law in Poland regarding marriage and adoption as it pertains to gays, and the surveys showing majority do not support such things isn't factual???

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]


So what? Tell that to all the gays that fought for gay marriage and all the people who fought to oppose it all around the world. The fact that marriage remains something between man and woman only is very important to Poles mainly due to our Christian identity.

Gay can have partnerships. However, they cannot marry and aside from 1 known case they cannot adopt. Poles wish to keep it that way.

If gays want to do their thing in their home, fine whatever who am I to tell what a person can't do in their house if they're not harming anyone. But to constantly propagandize their sexual choices and demand that the remaining 99% of society abide by them? No way..

Why is that you never see other people with strange sexual choices marching, yelling, holding up flags at the Olympics, etc.? Have you ever heard of an S&M rights rally? How about swingers demanding polygamy? No, because unlike gays they keep that **** private.