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peterweg   
9 Feb 2013
News / Poland is the source of horsemeat in burgers? [169]

Yes, doesn't seem to be involved,

The French have shipping 100% horsemeat all around Europe for at least 6 months, the is claim its from Romania now.

Comigel make at least 60,000 tonnes per year of frozen Lasagna etc. and ship it to 15 countries.

Authorities have been ­concerned for some time about the scale of the trade in horses - transporting horses of low value seems to make no economic sense unless other criminal activity is involved.

The food industry likes to boast it has full traceability of its food chain, but what the current crisis demonstrates beyond contention is that they have lost control. The system is only as safe as the paper on which it is written, and as honest as its most entrepreneurial rogues.

But by the end of the weeka picture of full-scale food fraud was emerging. Horsemeat turns out to have adulterated not just the cheap beefburgers that kicked off the food crisis in Ireland and the UK nearly a month ago, but also big-brand ready meals of beef lasagne. Supermarkets withdrew spaghetti bolognese and meatballs made in the same factories for fear of what they may find.

guardian.co.uk/business/2013/feb/08/horsemeat-scandal-more-to-come
peterweg   
9 Feb 2013
News / Poland is the source of horsemeat in burgers? [169]

peterweg:
CJD

Discoverd by and named after them in 1960.

vCJD is not the same a CJD

Its a different disease.

Its not the SAME.

CJD is irrelevant as it is not caused by BSE and is significantly different.

vCJD was discovered in the 1990's and was named as such because of the similar effects it has on the brain.

Do you understand?

Supply Chain management is 'vague waffle

The waffle is your claim that super efficient processes immediately pinned down the source of the meat. It hasn't. There is no 'supply chain management'.

There is no traceability.
Nobody has any idea where the meat came from or where it went.
The procedures that were put in because of BSE are very evidently not working. This is the scandal.

As I seay, with the beef issue, it was entirely transparent. Well publicised, fully investigated. No cover-ups.

Over a decade of insisting BSE was no threat to human health, refusing to act when the prion jumped from Sheep, to cattle to cats (for years) until dead humans could be sliced up.

BSE disaster was a good example of open and transparent handling of a food scare?? Amazing claim, utter rubbish.

Important that the same happens here

I agree, but if they did this after BSE scare (and the other scandals such as selling condemned chicken etc) they will do the same again in future. The only answer is to avoid process meat product for the rest of your life.

The supposed 'quality' and branding of food is undermined when you discover Findus buy anonymous lasagna from foreign factories with no quality control whatsoever, and the supermarkets are doing the same thing.

This French company quite obviously has been buying horse meat deliberately, the difference to beef must have been obvious.
guardian.co.uk/business/2013/feb/09/aldi-100-percent-horsemeat-beef-products
peterweg   
8 Feb 2013
News / Poland is the source of horsemeat in burgers? [169]

.

Given that Dr. Creutzfelt died in 1964 and Dr. Jakob died in 1931, I wonder if you think they discovered it using an ouija board?

Variant CJD was not discovered by them and is not the same disease and has different causes, prognosis and result. If you had the slightest understanding of the issue you would know this - because vCJD was the reason for the 10 year ban not CJD.

So, we have discovered you have no idea what BSE is or the disease that it causes but you think, against the advice and evidence of every medical, scientific and government authority in the world that eating BSE infected meat is 'safe'.

Ok.

As I say, check out the concept of Supply Chain within the food industry.

More vague waffle. Provide some facts to prove your accusation.
peterweg   
7 Feb 2013
News / Poland is the source of horsemeat in burgers? [169]

You might want to see when Kreuzfelt-Jakob disease was identified

vCJD was discovered in the early 1990's. You might want to explain your lies.

Check out the meaning of supply-chain. The products have been identified as being contaminated by Polish horsemeat.

No, they have identified horsemeat in UK, Irish, French and Spanish meat products. They CLAIMED it came from Holland, then Poland. A claim from a fraudulent company selling horse as beef isn't worth jack.

Test's have not backed up that the meat came from Poland.

As I said, unless you have proof of you claims you are being libelous.

I don't have proof do you..
peterweg   
7 Feb 2013
News / Poland is the source of horsemeat in burgers? [169]

Check it out. It was nothing new.

This the entire basis of proof? I did check it out, I also lived through it in detail, your comments complete and utter garbage.

And is irrelevant to the Polish contaminated meat scandal.

Really? you said Polish authorities could not be trusted and the British could be trusted. Thats proven beyond doubt to be not true. Nobody can be trusted.

Cover-up. It was very transparent. And Mr Gummer was quite righ. The meat was safe.

Out right lie in the face of legal, scientific evidence. British beef was banned for a decade, most of the herd was culled and certain types of cattle was banned from the food chain because it was unsafe.

Hundreds of people have died so far from vCJD.

but if you buy a product on the shelf, you expect it to contain what it says on the label.

What it said was British or Irish Beef. There is no evidence the meat even came from Poland, except from the word of companies that passed off horse meat to consumers as beef.

Careful what you say Jon, lying and making unprovable claims is libel, no matter where you are.
peterweg   
6 Feb 2013
News / American SM-3 ballistic missile site in Poland by 2018 [86]

Traversal rates on modern anti-missile systems are too slow to stop any missile designed before the 1970's.

I basically said the same thing.

Maybe some of the missile defenses the US is developing might help but you don't mention the Rail guns which are coming along and may make a significant difference.

But the USN's missiles defenses have looked far better on on paper that in practice and on paper they look woeful.

The Phalanx for instance has successfully failed to defend against a missile attack at every attempt. 100% failure...

So, yes, if the USN attacked China today, they would get wiped out.
peterweg   
6 Feb 2013
News / American SM-3 ballistic missile site in Poland by 2018 [86]

The US carriers would probably defeat the Chinese airforce quite easily. However they have and are developing anti-ship missiles that could potential wipe out the US navy - how effective they are is a bit unknown but it doesn't look promising.

No chance of beating China on land and not much point of trying. Whats to gain?
peterweg   
6 Feb 2013
News / Poland is the source of horsemeat in burgers? [169]

They didn't actually 'give the world BSE', it was around a long time before that outbreak.

Thats the biggest mis-description of the BSE criss I've ever heard. I could call it a lie, but maybe you have no idea how utterly wrong that is.

The UK beef industry converted sheep scrapie (known for 200years) into BSE by feeding infected sheeps brains to cattle. Cutting the temperature during rendering probably triggered the outbreak. BSE definitely started in the UK

They and the UK government denied it was a problem for years.

Selwyn Gummer infamously fed his own daughter a beef burger in front of the camera's in a vain attempt to prove that British Beef was safe

newscientist.com/article/dn91-bse-disaster-the-history.html

Eventual British Beef was banned world wide, (it lasted 10 years in the EU), when they could no longer cover it up. UK beef is still banned in many countries such as the USA and Russia..

To this day the UK public has a very low opinion of the safety of UK food, selling horsemeat as UK beef will re-enforce that distrust.

BTW, horsemeat has also been found in Spanish burgers, its probably all over Europe but other countries will not check for it..they arn't stupid.

Mad cow - crazy cat

The first hint that humans could be affected came in 1990, when a Siamese cat called Max fell ill with the feline version of BSE. That same year, scientists showed that the disease could be orally transmitted to mice.

peterweg   
5 Feb 2013
News / Poland is the source of horsemeat in burgers? [169]

Monia I did not create the title of the tread.

Funny enough neither did I- the mods must have created it.

Precisely. Who do you trust more - a country like the UK who have a history of complete openness about food scares, or Poland?

You joking? this is the country who gave the world BSE. And now UK and Irish companies sourced meat anonymously which contained suspect materials and stamped 100% Irish/British Beef on it.

The moral of the story is that anything can be put into processed food and nobody knows until a quality control audit.

Damn right. This sort of thing has been going on for ever, all over the world. The meat industry 'money launders' meat products to hide what and where it comes from.

Why did a Irish company with abattoir in Poland buy product outside its factory? because it, like many other meat producers before it, are long term specialists at passing off crap as food..

UK food manufacturers have promised that they check the source of their food and yet again, its been shown to be a lie. Even MacDonalds are selling horse..
peterweg   
3 Feb 2013
News / American SM-3 ballistic missile site in Poland by 2018 [86]

People didn't think Russia would invade Georgia and it did, with Europe doing absolutely nothing.

Indeed America also declined to nuke Moscow, something to do with the Georgians starting the war and them being slightly mad in expecting the West to fight on its behalf for a very suspect issue.

It does however show that the USA will not defend Poland from Russia, something the dozy politicians in Poland have come to realise. There is a British response plan, but nothing much

exactly is wrong with having some nice missiles in poland to defend nato/poland with?

There is nothing right about supplying non-functioning missiles though.
peterweg   
3 Feb 2013
Love / Polish Wedding...namely mine. What is the cost? [31]

You're suit was half the price of the wedding?
Man, show me your ways, please! I've got 150+ coming to mine and there's no way it'll be less than 40,000zl

Avoid commercial wedding companies, they are rip off everywhere.

We used a hunting lodge via the father-in-law, but two other wedding were in the local schools. You need cooking facilities and people to cook/organise it.

My mother-in-law hired a few women, bought the food and cooked everything. All the traditional Polish recipes plus a wild boar my brother in law shot and various meet cuts from the hunters. Some decorations, 5 liters of Bimber and plenty of vodka and some local musicians. We used buses to transport everyone to the venue.

I wasn't really consulted on this, I could have paid out 50K but nobody wanted me to do that.

Thats the key, if your wife or mother-in-law wants a 'romantic' wedding you will have to pay. Nobody else will care, a party is a party.

Wedding party or house, her choice.

the big lavish weddings are actually boring as hell
best one i was at was small
but absolutely great fun

Totally agree, The fancier the wedding is the less fun and they charge top restaurant prices for canteen food.

zloty?
You're suit was half the price of the wedding?

Wedding (including dress) just below 5kpln and suit 2kpln (including 100pln shirts). I got ripped off on the suit as it was a wedding shop, but I have a suit for work...
peterweg   
3 Feb 2013
News / American SM-3 ballistic missile site in Poland by 2018 [86]

The missiles protect northern Europe including Poland, they have no function defending the USA (except US bases in Europe which would be an obvious target) or Isreal

Just hope they come armed with warheads and not plant pots, this time.
peterweg   
2 Feb 2013
Love / Polish Wedding...namely mine. What is the cost? [31]

made sense to cover the cost of my invitation but not to actually give anything

You miserable sod. I hope you decline all invites to save them having to feed you.

Wedding will cost you at least 40-50,000zl

Mine cost 5K (50+ people), plus 2k for my suit. Every one enjoyed it, it was in a hunting lodge we hired for 500pln. Food was made by several caterers we hired directly.

Most of the guest were poor students, still we were not left out of pocket.
peterweg   
2 Feb 2013
Real Estate / The current property boom in Poland is a bubble [342]

How come it was such a suprise?

Maybe to you but it was predicted years before.

If fact, read the first post of this thread -

It was put in motion by the reaction to the DotCom boom. Just as the money printing and zero interest rates policies will cause an even worse crash in the future.
peterweg   
2 Feb 2013
Real Estate / Astounded by the poor value of residential property here in Wroclaw [92]

Monia is right. 95% of Poles live in either very low rent or completely mortgage free homes. Most paid 20k for two room apartment or inherited it.

My wifes familiy have three apartments (owned out right) and a country house (with a loan) between the five members, plus the parents live in government supplied house. They don't think this is anything special.

One forest worker was sold a lovely house on three ha of land next to the forest for 2k pln after his father died on the job.

Because I can tell you for sure there are a great many (page after page with many on each page) of flats available to rent at about 2500PLN to 5000PLN when I check. If there were no tenants, they would not be asking that price and they would ask a lot less just to cover the monthly service charges. The fact that so many landlords keep their prices in that zone tells you all you need to know about the rental market here.

I'm not so sure..

If they own their flat they can afford to wait a long time to get a tenant. We had no takers in Krakow, loads of adverts because there were loads of empty flats, not tenants

For another ten or twenty thousand quid, you've got a reasonable 3-room flat in towns within an hour by train of London!!!

Of course 10-15 average earning property prices are no sign of a fundamental mismatch of asset price versus intrinsic values. No sir, no bubble here.
peterweg   
2 Feb 2013
Work / I'M SO SURPRISED BY THIS SALARY FOR IBM in WROCLAW 3000 ZL gross [135]

I agree, take the job. Once there you can work your way up/around, IBM can afford to pay you a lot more and its a brilliant thing to have on your CV. C# programmers earn 5-7k in Krakow, BTW, but most office workers seem to be on 2.5-4K

Two years unemployment is worse than useless. Keep it up and your next job offer will be even less..

But the numbers don't add up. Perhaps Warsaw is a vacuum city.

Maybe you are living in even smaller bubble, don't you live in a million Zloty house? There can't be more and a couple of thousand people in Poland earning enough to afford that on a mortgage.
peterweg   
2 Feb 2013
News / THE PARTYS OVER... NO MORE EUROS FOR POLAND'S ROADS [71]

The only way to deal with the Germans is to ignore them. You see what the German bankers are doing to Greece? You want that for Poland?

Poland is in the EU just like Greece. So feel free to make any sort of idiot comparison based on heat fact alone.

I prefer, Poland gets Greece's weather. The Greek Islands are beautiful. Poland should have that fate now its getting money from the EU. Poland will have to speak Greek, now its just like Greece.

Same country same fate same language, same weather.

Poland is now Greece.

My greatest pleasure every time I arrive at Krakow is the walk from the terminal to Balice International Rail Station

I was told they were a bit ashamed of it and wanted to replace it with some steel and glass modern thing. What a horrid idea.

Bad news, they are building the new station for next year.

No more money for you, Poland.

For a month or two, but you and Poland's other enemies can dream, eh?
peterweg   
29 Jan 2013
Real Estate / The current property boom in Poland is a bubble [342]

and this is probably why you don't any property while a few of us here own a few. Keep going, you are having great success.

You lose more off the value of your property each year than Milky will ever earn, he's such a loser!

Latest REAS report is out.

media.reas.pl/en/pr/232656/residential-market-in-poland-in-q4-2012?rss=true
peterweg   
29 Jan 2013
News / Poland is the source of horsemeat in burgers? [169]

And the contamination started with the Polish company who tried to pass off petfood as a better product.

You have no idea who put the meat in there, I doubt it will be easy to find out - its not petfood.

he Polish food industry doesn't care about whether or not the words 'Made in Poland

Its not the Polish 'food industry' that sold beefburgers containing horse. Somebody legally supplied horse.

None of the burgers sold will have Made in Poland, because they were made in Ireland and the UK. Its the sellers responsibility to ensure the source of his materials. This company went to a country famous for its horse meat not beef and bypassed its own Polish slaughterhouse to obtain horse.