News / Poland's Economy Is Booming! The EU's Success Story? [711]


point being, Poland is simply not self sufficient and is being propped up by foreign money. take away bank transfers from Poles living in countries with currency 4 or 5 or 6 times stronger than the zloty, as well as the BUTT load of EU cash.....Poland goes to the dogs again.

News / Poland's Economy Is Booming! The EU's Success Story? [711]

but what if that job pays 3 times more than your previous/current job and will provide better for your family? if times were really tough and you had a family to support and you could triple your salary by moving out of country to work somewhere else.....would you say no?

family first, then pride.

News / Poland's Economy Is Booming! The EU's Success Story? [711]


isn't it?


the USA pays unemployment checks to its citizens through foreign monies? explain.


i don't know how this relates to unemployment checks.


Damn right. The middle class has been getting the shaft in the USA for decades. Yet.....again.....what does this have to do with the topic at hand? If you came on here just to have a USA vs. Poland match, I'm not interested.

News / Poland's Economy Is Booming! The EU's Success Story? [711]


EU cash, EU cash, foreign investment due to cheap labor, EU cash, foreign investment due to cheap labor, EU cash, EU cash.

Wait....when did Poland join the EU? Right, 8 years ago.

News / Poland's Economy Is Booming! The EU's Success Story? [711]


Let me tell you a story about "no work = no money" in Poland.

I worked at a language school for several years in Poland. We had a woman that worked there, head teacher of some sort, who got pregnant. She took a total of 18 months of maternity leave, full pay, full benies. She then managed to weasel her way into more maternity leave (i forget the process) and then got pregnant again. When all was said and done, she took nearly 5 consecutive years off, all due to maternity leave for having 2 children. No work = no money? Since you're comparing the two, would you care to know how maternity leave works in the USA?

Poland abuses "sick leave" like nothing I've ever seen in my life. Runny nose? Get a doctor's note and sit home with full pay for 3 weeks. Guess who's payin'. Let us not forget about 5 weeks of paid vacation right from the get go. That works out to be 1 day off for every 10 worked, which is like having every other Friday off from work.

And don't act like you can sit unemployed in the USA and get paid for it for as long as you want. Poland has a deadline, the USA does as well and it's based on how long you worked and how much you paid in.


It most certainly is and this show's your ignorance to general economic concepts in socialized countries. Socialized countries are completely dependent on tax dollars and when less people are working, the country loses money (it's directly proportional) which is why the country's population and birth rate are absolutely critical to its survival. If you are paying to raise and educate people and keep them healthy for 20+ years only to see them leave once they reach working age, whether they are unemployed or not, it adversely affects the economy. Simple math.

News / Poland's Economy Is Booming! The EU's Success Story? [711]

In a country as socialized as Poland is, people leaving = disaster. Her residents' paychecks is what keeps the gears turning. People leave, the country starves.

Also, Poles aren't having kids anymore which equals even more disaster.

Language / "żółwik" - the same word?? [55]


Question about that:

I'm not sure the equivalent of "lubic kogos" is "podobac sie komus" because they have a different meaning.

lubic kogos = to like someone

podobac sie komus = someone likes (something)

no?

Life / Struggling young Polish couple - try to solve their problem [176]


hahahahahaha.


i simply can't imagine living in that. i think my living room is that big.

i'd say that this couple is hitting the same snag most young couples are hitting these days in poland.....they have to pay for where they live. the few that are fortunate enough to have flats/houses given to them by their parents because of good ole' commie times are in a totally different situation.

Life / Struggling young Polish couple - try to solve their problem [176]


they'd be commuting for the jobs that Germans don't want to do that will still pay better than what they're earning in Poland. If you're in a position where you're considering going to Germany to find work, you are definitely going to earn more than your crappy job in Poland.....or lack thereof.


not buying it.


you might be on to something.

Life / Struggling young Polish couple - try to solve their problem [176]


this is such a weird statement. there are SO many towns within easy driving distance to Germany along the Polish border and many right on the border. hundreds of thousands of poles could easily commute to germany for work, from their homes.


huh? you mean like.......paint nails or cut hair for a living? how much does a car mechanic earn or a hair dresser in some little polish town on the german border?


poorest in germany still pays euro. i was just having this conversation with a polish woman last month. she's a school teacher earning crap money in poland and they're closing up schools near her because quite honestly, poles aren't having children and the schools are empty. she owns a car so now she's considering looking for work in germany cleaning houses because she said she'd earn nearly 3 times as much. true story.....just sayin'.

Life / Struggling young Polish couple - try to solve their problem [176]


"tool" ironside? good one. which Hollywood movie did you take that one from?

hey ironside, do you have an american passport?

gumishu wrote:


so not being poor is different than being poor. ok.

Life / Struggling young Polish couple - try to solve their problem [176]


i saw that very often. the bordering cities are full of poles that commute in and out of Germany because they earn far more.


wow.....really?


I'm questioning the statements that were made, not what is happening today. You're out of control, dude.


You came here to vent. I came here to have an intelligent discussion. Pull your head out of your a$$ and read what I wrote.

BTW, you quoted a bunch of stuff that I wrote and put pip as the author. Try and be more careful next time you go into a rage and start spouting off garbage.

Life / Struggling young Polish couple - try to solve their problem [176]


i keep reading this on this thread. hmmm.

so if you're broke and live in poland, the best thing to do is just leave?

what if you're doing just ok. i would think leaving yet again makes more financial sense. you'll still earn more elsewhere.

which begs the question: if you can make so much more money elsewhere, if property in poland is so unaffordable.......if you leave......why would you come back? why wouldn't you just stay where you are and continue to earn more and lead a better life?

poles and poland is such a strange thing sometimes. they will defend poland to the BONE yet all the hard core defenders will just so happen to not show up when things like, "The best thing for the couple to do is just leave the country," show up in a thread......yet someone says Polish food is bland and it's this huge battle. i see this over and over. this weird love/hate relationship.

i always found it interesting when i would see how much poles hated germans yet when they lived on the border of germany, they'd commute into germany to work because it paid better.

i guess pride only goes so far when money is involved.

Work / Cost of Living, Average Salaries and Job sites in Poland [263]


this is neo-communism.

they take 62% of your income, regardless of what you may think about it and then anything else you might want, they make it practically unattainable by inflating the hell out of the prices.

i could never ever live in a country like that. besides, it's cold as $hit there.

Work / Cost of Living, Average Salaries and Job sites in Poland [263]

after hearing about the ridiculous tax rates in Denmark and how everything is insanely expensive there, who cares how much more minimum wage is? it's all relative to the cost of things you have no choice but to buy like food, housing, clothing, transportation, medical insurance, etc.

i can't really read posts about how much more one country pays than the other when in the next breath, someone posts that a car is over 200% its normal cost or something.

Where I live, minimum wage is $7.25/hr (that's for a high school kid working at McDonald's) but you can buy a car for what it's worth and there's no VAT, food is cheap, gas is cheap (relative to the rest of the world), real estate is cheap, so if I told you how much an avg. office worker earned in my city, it would have a different meaning (and would probably be far less than in Denmark for the same job).

Work / Cost of Living, Average Salaries and Job sites in Poland [263]

again, relative to what? euro is worth 4 times more than zloty.

trying to get to the bottom of this......

Work / Cost of Living, Average Salaries and Job sites in Poland [263]


so like......communism?


literally that much higher.....or relative to salary, that much higher? are we talking about the same exact products?

if gas in Poland is 6zl per liter......it's at least 18zl per liter in Denmark?

Language / "żółwik" - the same word?? [55]


if they intend to just say "I saw some nasty little creature thing" than I'll buy that but how do you specify that it was in fact "worms" that the fisherman was using as bait?

Language / "żółwik" - the same word?? [55]


if that were true, and it's not, it still wouldn't be as bizarre.

i don't want to get into some silly english/polish comparison war here, but a.k. (assuming a native speaker) just confirmed. when people are having a convo, they say robaki both for worms and bugs. that's way too much of a generalization.

To think that they'd say, "I like to use worms when I go fishing" and "When I walked through the forest, I kept having to swipe away worms out of my face and hair"......is just kinda weird. The first time I heard it, I was like wait, I don't see any worms......and that would be gross......

Language / "żółwik" - the same word?? [55]

i still wonder about the words bug and worm. they all seem to be called "robak" which is pretty ridiculous.

News / American soldiers beat up in Torun, Łódź [141]


that isn't saying you're seeing black people. are you counting Vietnamese? Middle Eastern?

anyway, let's just say there aren't a lot of black people in poland. more than 99% of the population is either polish, german, ukrainian, russian, lithuanian, etc.

News / American soldiers beat up in Torun, Łódź [141]


Hmmmm. Wroclaw's got John Bull Pub, Guinness Pub......none in Poznan?

anyway, beats me. in Wroclaw it was always a very rare sighting.

News / American soldiers beat up in Torun, Łódź [141]


uhmmmm.....like most people that live in Poland. I can personally guarantee you that some of my wife's older family that live in villages have literally never seen a black person in their lives.

pick a village, any village.....white as snow.

hell, walk around any major city in Poland and you'd be hard pressed to find someone that isn't white without walking into ethnic shops or straight through the rynek or into expat hangouts. I went MONTHS at a time in Wroclaw not seeing a single black person and believe me, I walked my a$$ off all through Wroclaw, every day, not to mention running 25+ miles a week along the streets and sidewalks.

News / American soldiers beat up in Torun, Łódź [141]


failure at what? you act as if you're completely surprised that an american soldier can lose a fist fight. what a stupid thread.

USA, Canada / Would like to move back to Poland from New York after living in USA for 20 years. [155]

depends on where she lives. Manhattan? probably a small place. Brooklyn/Queens? you really have no idea how big her apartment is. check out apartment listings there on craigslist, plenty of apartments over 100 sq meters for middle class people.

but anyway, i'll say it again....it's not what's inside her apartment that will be the adjustment.........

USA, Canada / Would like to move back to Poland from New York after living in USA for 20 years. [155]

tell ya what Nanna, my wife and I should be visiting the tri-state area around Christmas time this year. we'd love to hit up Brooklyn while we're there. we can meet up! my wife's Polish, I speak Polish, we can have a big Polish day........in the USA.......9 months from now.

yep. that's my prediction.

:)

USA, Canada / Would like to move back to Poland from New York after living in USA for 20 years. [155]


I flat out disagree. I grew up in NJ. When people I knew lived in Brooklyn/Queens/Bronx/Staten Island/Harlem, they say NYC as well.


what a ridiculous statement. oh......sorry, I'm just speaking for like a billion people, and everyone that lives in Italy.


I suggest the bars in the upper east side :)

I've seen enough. Sorry nanna, but I don't take you as a serious "move to Poland" candidate anymore because I don't think you're going anywhere, you can just tell by your posts.

USA, Canada / Would like to move back to Poland from New York after living in USA for 20 years. [155]


Rich people live in Manhattan. NYC is made up of 5 boroughs, Manhattan obviously being the most expensive one. Cherry picking Manhattan as an example would be equivalent to finding the most expensive part of Warsaw and telling us how much apartments go for in Warsaw.

Oh, and I highly doubt the OP lives in Manhattan. My guess, she's a Brooklyn/Queens girl :)


oddly enough, that's the only job the OP has mentioned doing in Poland thus far.


which is, yet again, why i am doubtful of her getting off the plane and walking into a 10K/month salary. all this talk about her "stellar corporate experience" we keep banging around, yet not a peep from the OP about just how extensive this experience really is.

USA, Canada / Would like to move back to Poland from New York after living in USA for 20 years. [155]


i don't understand this statement.


what in the world are you talking about?! when did I suggest that? did you even read my post?

holy moly, reel yourself back in.


to just say "10,000 per month" is pretty bold. you don't even know what industry she's in and in all honesty, you don't know how successful she really is. do you know her salary in NYC? do you know what her education is in? to just throw that number out is puuuure speculation and like i said, you need to stop. she needs help, good advice that will help her make her decision and if she decides to go, better prepare her for arrival, not someone telilng her that Poland is all unicorns and rainbows.

USA, Canada / Would like to move back to Poland from New York after living in USA for 20 years. [155]


first of all, that is not advice. the OP wasn't taking a poll when she created this thread, "Should I move to Poland, YES or NO?"

secondly, what has she got to lose? how about her job. sure, she's got a good job now (from what she says) but going to Poland means she would lose it.

thirdly, do you have any idea what it would cost to rent a storage space in NYC to store basically all her belongings, including furniture, appliances, etc.? it costs a fortune, especially when considering she'll be going from earning dollars (a strong currency) to zloty (a lousy currency).


again, this simply is a non answer. depends what you do for a living......sure, she could find a rich husband as well! is she going to arrive in Poland and be a director of some big department in a major corporation? stop thinking about this like, "well it depends if...." because it doesn't help the avg. 35 year old PolAm looking to return home. she wants to know what she can expect, not about some long shot unattainable possibilities.

it is not cheaper to live anywhere in Europe compared to the USA and yes, the pay scale will be reduced. compare what a middle manager earns in Poland vs. the USA, not to mention the lifestyle differences......there is no comparison. Avg. Susie coming from the USA will come to Poland and live like an Avg. Suzanna.


if you ask me, the apartment itself will be one of the easier things to adjust to. it's what's outside that apartment that makes it such a shock.

man, no more NYC pizza? ouch.