News / What are Poland's optimal both real and virtual neighbors? [81]

Like I said, what’s the point to carry on a discussion with a dimwit individual who doesn’t know the meaning of the word debate. If I wanted an argument I might as well could of picked one with my wife, but that would have been an insult to her, at least she knows how to present her argument in a half intelligent way and can make a supporting argument as to why her reasoning is the way it is, a skill that you have failed to present here, you failed so miserably. I haven’t started to debate you yet, just probing your knowledge on the subject matter, but there’s nothing there except an opinion to which any as*hole is entitled. If I had to make an comparison to what this experience has been like I would have to say you’re just like my as*hole, it’s also very opinionated especially after certain kind of food and speaks loudly in a foreign language but it only all makes a perfect sense to another as*hole, I’ll bet. Win? Lose? No such thing in a debate, you simply present your point of view with supporting arguments that are logical and easily absorbed and understood by a casual listener. The more converts you gain to your point of view the better but there’s no such thing as winning.

News / What are Poland's optimal both real and virtual neighbors? [81]


Everything that happen in history is relevant to the present, simply ignoring it or choosing the bits you like that suit your point of view and to reinforce them does not allow you to make a rational argument on any count. It’s all very much relevant

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Ie. If for some reason a distant ancestor of yours was impotent or for some reason did not claim the woman that he did as his wife or whatnot the chain would have been broken and you simply would not be here to present your point of view. Your family line did not magically happen to appear at a convenient point in history like the dawn of industrial revolution.

You can dismiss the facts all you want but the simple truth is you can’t change the history. I have to give you credit for distorting it a great deal and making a mess of it in the process. So do tell me what’s the point of turning this into a history lesson and educate you when you resilience to knowledge is so strong? You will simply shrug it all off, throw in a few insults and call it a day. Wow! You lose, is that the best way for someone who aspires to be viewed as half an intelligent person to close the debate? Kind of childish but I’ll oblige.

News / What are Poland's optimal both real and virtual neighbors? [81]


On the same basis you have so conveniently dismissed the previous poster.


Always? Are you sure?


Then I must be an exception then, but since I’m here and claim otherwise it does make your statement wrong then.

News / What are Poland's optimal both real and virtual neighbors? [81]


Nothing wrong with it, but if you come to Poland refer to it as the locals do, you know when in Rome….. I’ll do the same when I’m in Germany, promise.


There’s no fallacy, historically speaking Poland has a claim to that land period.


The key word in my statement was “future” so what’s the point of pointing out the obvious.


Wrong on both counts, there was a time when it was under Polish control so you can’t say Poland never did asserted its claim, as for the latter you speak for every person in Poland now. LOL

News / What are Poland's optimal both real and virtual neighbors? [81]


It’s a threat to our independence as well as future stability of Europe. For purely economic reasons I would have to agree with you.


Królewiec is much more appealing to my ears.


Perhaps not, all I’m saying that if you make a here and now the core of your debate than stick to it.


Revised so many times in the past, who knows what the future will hold, that’s what we are discussing here after all, a possible future.


Your problem is that you’re stock in the time warp, get out of the loop you’re stock in and you might see the light.

News / What are Poland's optimal both real and virtual neighbors? [81]


Centuries my a**, besides you don’t even have an opinion do you? If the whole premise of your debate about the status of Królewiec and its future which you started in the first place is based on here and now than the same should apply for the so called former German lands but it does not, does it now? Makes one question your motives for even debating this subject, the subject for which you don't have a strong opinion or justification, makes me wonder if you even have a principle to which you adhere to or do you argue for argument sake alone, in which case this whole debate is irreverent.

News / What are Poland's optimal both real and virtual neighbors? [81]


Shows how much you know about the history of that region, no surprise there as you are reluctant to open up a history book, in your opinion its irreverent as your mind is stock in one particular moment in history.


Poles? Who would that be? Someone like yourself an immigrant or someone like myself. Go figure it’s people like you that have a lot to say; what’s polish and whatnot always trying to impose their believes on the rest of us and speak for us. You have your opinion I have mine.

News / What are Poland's optimal both real and virtual neighbors? [81]


Not only that it can but it was done so many times in the pest. There you go former German territory and prior to that former Polish territory, if one region can be returned to its rightful owners so can others, all it really takes is one good war.


What you call ethnic cleansing I call partial justice.

News / What are Poland's optimal both real and virtual neighbors? [81]

Then you don't know much about Europe. How do you think the inhabitants of that area got there in the first place, you miss the point all together and yes they did get away with it, just to make it clear the inhabitants of Królewiec that is.

News / What are Poland's optimal both real and virtual neighbors? [81]


They could also be forcibly relocated, it have been done before you know, hell the offspring of a settler of 70 years ago dose not really hold a claim on that land either.


So is the reality that exist today in that area, irrelevant.

UK, Ireland / Are you Poles proud of your country? Then why do you keep coming to Britain? [100]


But we are, read the rest and it all will be crystal clear. Let me give you advice; change your nick it does not reflect your nature. To be perfectly honest our favorite national pastime is to make the life of a worm like you miserable, we also love to see you squirm in anguish, think of us as a Spanish inquisition for your past sins, a test of your national character. You just made my day, watching someone squirm on the net is next best thing to actually watching it live. What a joy, a good day indeed.

News / Poland ready to receive Libyan refugees [159]


Now you're talking. Something we can both agree on.


Nope from Greece I believe, :)

News / Poland ready to receive Libyan refugees [159]


That’s the beauty of it all, why do you suppose that France jumped on it so fast? LOL


Who cares about the fate of Moussa Koussa. They really have something to look forward to then, to see another take his place with your blessing. Wow a real revelation there.

News / Poland ready to receive Libyan refugees [159]

BS. And you know it. How do you think it’s all going to play out? You will install puppet regime there, corrupt the few as usual to control resources, your colonial ambition fulfilled and back to the same old. This is not about a genuine freedom for the people, period. We want no part of it as it will only benefit you at the end. I think the Libyan’s realize too.

Word to the wise, cut that American BS. You're insulting me. You don't want to make it personal trust me.

News / Poland ready to receive Libyan refugees [159]


Then you’re missing my, after all aren’t you doing it under humanitarian banner? Time to do some of it now, what are a thousand refugees as you have pointed out, France and Britain can easily absorb them. Do you honestly think that it's it, just a beginning mark my words. We said no to the war this time and we will gladly sit it out watching you dig yourself a deeper and deeper grave. Time to put the action where your mouth is, don’t pass on the bock, it’s your mess deal with it. It has nothing to do with the EU.

News / Poland ready to receive Libyan refugees [159]


How so? Is it not what you are advocating? The only thing that counts is in living memory.

News / Poland ready to receive Libyan refugees [159]


Time to open up a history book.


Go hug a tree, as for France paybak is a *****, what goes around comes around. Support only goes back as far as I can remember and well I remember the Polish plumber an a missed opportunity to stay quiet so there. Perhaps they should follow their own advice before getting involved in foreign wars.

News / Poland ready to receive Libyan refugees [159]


How short is your memory? Kochajmy się jak bracia, liczmy się jak Żydzi.


We all know how hospitable the local inhabitants were at that time and no Pole in sight, stop preaching it all falls on deaf ears.

News / Poland ready to receive Libyan refugees [159]


Refresh your history, we were also a refuge for the refugees for countless of centuries, now it seems to me you’re missing a big picture here, France missed a real opportunity here to remain silent on this issue now they will have to live with their choices, why should anyone else bear the burden of their mess in the first place.


Forget the demographics for now, let’s see if EU can withstand the pressure of economic collapse, I’m betting on a negative outcome, soon.

News / Poland ready to receive Libyan refugees [159]


Or simply impose a waiting period before such luxuries can be afforded by us like almost everyone else did in Europe with us, with few exceptions of course. As for the funds minus the founds we paid in to the system for the privilege of joining it and after of course, not to mention our industries that were shut down as not to compete with what was in western states already. LOL Dont you worry though the future of Europe is still uncertain.

News / Poland ready to receive Libyan refugees [159]


Look who's talking. Good portion of them still live in the state of legal limbo in US where they never had a chance to legalize their stay there because US government made it so easy for them. LOL Yup a real charitable, welcoming and neighborly of you, deny them the opportunity to legalize their stay there even though many of them left with a full understanding that they will never be able to return. Ten years on Poland became free so you still deny them the chance to legalize their stay there on those grounds. Many were young at the time so they started families and a new life there, who knew things will turn out how they did, now they are criminals the lot of them with no way of visiting Poland but they are useful in keeping the statistics of Polish illegals there high. Modern day slavery with no rights is the best way to describe it, in the land of the free no less.

News / Poland ready to receive Libyan refugees [159]


Cry me a river, last time there was a big wave of political refugees from Poland we all know how eager the European nations were to receive them, and after WWII it wasn’t much easier either.

Love / Polish Guys. Places to meet them and what they like/dislike in women? [14]

Unbridled feminism I see. I hope you plan this to be an overnight delivery otherwise by the time this package arrives he’ll be stiff all right.

Life / Strange laws in Poland [39]


Why so serious? Can't we have a bit of fun?
Disclaimer: I'm only posting this at your request ;) nothing malicious meant by this post, all in good fun. :) :)

lectlaw.com/files/fun23.htm

Strange U.S. Sex Laws

Piece of advice though, if you ever decide to visit Ames Iowa, God knows why you would want to this but if you do warn your hubby that after lovemaking he isn't allowed to take more than three gulps of beer while lying in bed with you or while holding you in his arms.

Life / Strange laws in Poland [39]

I would worry about it when visiting US where each state has its own set of laws making it virtually impossible even for a married couple to have sex. Some so ridicules that even your choice of diet may have an impact on whether you get lucky or not with your own wife without breaking the law.

UK, Ireland / John Drennan: "Poles in fear of starved Irish influx" [15]


Perhaps a metaphor of how mighty have fallen and a warning for us not to put a complete trust in the system that in the end leads to ruin.

Language / Help. Basic Polish Grammar by Dana Bielec [21]


The problem is that most of you lack imagination. You can find a copy of this book on google books but if you absolutely need it that bad and have to have your own copy there's a couple of good tutorials out there on the net of how to save the material from that site in pdf on your PC so you can read it at your leisure.

Language / Help. Basic Polish Grammar by Dana Bielec [21]


Perhaps no one knows. Search the file share sites I'm sure you'll find it.

Genealogy / DUTCHEVICI - HISTORY OF THE NAME [8]

It's very possible that your last name was Ducewicz at one time but that's just speculation on my part, you would have to do some more research on your family history.

Genealogy / What is a scultetus/soltys in Poland? [15]


Did you actually pay for this translation? If so I would demand my money back or you're simply misinterpreted what it actually states. Your story doesn't hold water.

Let's start with the inheritance issue, the Sejm of 1568 has abolished the practice of inheritance of this particular office since too many of those who hald this office grew rich and their wealth in some cases exceeded the wealth of those nobles who they essentially worked for. That's well over 200 years before your ancestor supposedly held this office.

One did not have to be of nobel birth to hold this office and the nobles could not tolerate the fact that even a peasant who was basically a hired hand could in a generation or two be actually richer than the owner of the land he administered due to the revenue generated by the privileges and perks that came with this office. In time many of the poorer nobles actually started the practice of buying this office for themselves since the eldest son could actually inherit it, as they received land tax exempt to go with it, could run other enterprise like an Inn or a mill, took one 6th of the revenue collected from the peasants and were entitle to all the fish and game they wanted provided it's taken from the land they administered. As you can see no appointments were necessary but that in turn did not sit well with higher up nobility whose position was threaten by the wealth accumulation of the lower nobility. To make a long story short the tensions grew and this practice was abolished by Sejm of 1568.

On the lands that belonged to the King himself, a Magnat or that of the Church this office was held by the members of poor nobility once they figured out the game and started buying them left and right. Since it was very lucrative indeed it was the members of poor nobility for the most part that held that office that's going back to the XVI c but the actual title was administrator, ekonom or włodarz.

In the time frame you have specified the office and its privileges of the good old days, including inheritance was reestablished but only on the lands that were taken over by Prussia, so the King would not make an appointment there now would he? Besides you did say it was in 1767 that's 5 years prior to the first partition of Poland anyway so we can safely dismiss this scenario.

Nice fairytale and bedtime story for your grand kids tough.