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As for braids try this one (I don't know if every salon makes them): alternatywny.com.pl

As for weaves - I'm not entirely sure what they are, if you mean hair extensions - I've never had them, but I suspect bigger salons do this. Maybe try this one, they write on their site that the staff speaks English: salontiffany.pl/strona_glowna/0.en.0.htm

And they make hair extensions ("przedłużanie włosów" in Polish).

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Geez, sorry, I didn't know you mean Polonia Warszawa LOL I thought you're picking on some Polonian match or whatever (since you and delph are such anti-Polonians).

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lol What on Earth are Polonia games?


What reaction? Who was denying that there's a problem with football hooligans in Poland? The Polish government that declared war on them? Are you kidding me? Give me names and links.


Not really, you can hear sometimes on the news about such stuff.


Well, not really alone, I think it was about Austria and Switzerland.


That's what I'm writing about:

The owner of the Czech stadium Eden Arena admitted that organizing the European Super Cup , where Bayern Munich will face Chelsea on August 30 in London , Prague object is unprofitable.

- There is no doubt that the stadium is not a profitable event . It is only the prestige that this game brings - said at a press conference representative firm marketing arena Jacob Dlouhy .

Previous 15 Matches Super Cup , which fights the winner of the Champions League and the winner of the Europa League (formerly UEFA Cup ) , was held in Monaco. This year, for the first time the winner will be chosen elsewhere.


Is it? Then something must have changed since the last time I've heard about it because as I recall Mucha almost lost her job because of that stadium.

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Ifor, anyone reasonable can make a conclusion that a Polish league match isn't the same as an Euro match (with Polish national team not playing).

And I have no reason to not believe that guy either.


Eh... I don't know... Because it's boring? lol :P
I can imagine myself going to a match out of curiosity or to see the new stadium in my city, but that's about it... Why would anyone go to football matches on regular basis is beyond me ;) But I'm not a football fan so... It happens (very rarely) that I watch some "important" match on TV though (if it's the Polish national team playing or some important match in some important tournament), but I can't imagine many people going to Polish league matches on regular basis. If someone is a fan of football, then yes, but other people?


Harry, who was denying the problem, etc.? I haven't heard anyone doing that, so what are you talking about? (and Barney isn't the Polish authorities)


What the Warsaw Legia stadium has to do with the Euro2012?


I don't think that's the problem, I've read and heard about such cases in other countries where stadia built for football tournaments weren't paying for themselves because they were too big and not really needed or sth. I remember all that talk about this after we got the Euro 2012, so it's not like people didn't expect this to happen.

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I agree with that.
But, as a side note, I don't go to football matches because I'm afraid to go, I don't attend them because I'm not interested.

The level of Polish league is low (just like Polish football in general) and I suspect matches are boring. Maybe that's one of the reasons why Polish stadiums have been often taken over by hooligans - noone else cares. I can't really imagine whole families going to matches of the Polish league even if it was super safe.


What do you mean?


As far as I know those "excellent stadia" are having problems because they don't pay for themselves. Even before the Euro people were saying that it's going to be like that and that other countries had similar problems, and, tbh, that was the reason I was pretty much against organising Euro in Poland. I thought it was going to be just a waste of money.


His whole statement.


If that was the case why such reaction from Jonathan Ornstein?


Jonathan Ornstein has seen it and even took part in it. What do you think about his statement?


lol
Ifor, I don't even need that "flimsy evidence" to make a logical conclusion.

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No, Harry, I've never been to any football match in any country. But an Euro match isn't the same as a Polish league match, I can imagine (and as I was told by a guy from Warsaw who goes to matches often and who attended matches at Euro2012). Some hooligans can be present at the satdium only if the Polish national team plays. In other cases - it's rather unlikely and attending such a match is probably pretty much as safe for a person of different race as visiting Poland in general.

Harry, when I aksed you whether you think UEFA made a mistake by allowing Poland to host the Euro 2012 you wrote "no".
Why do you think it wasn't a mistake?

Also, what do you think about that statement by Jonathan Ornstein, the director of Jewish Community Centre of Kraków?

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That's the guy I mentioned in one of my previous posts. Thanks for the link.

Thanks, Barney, that's what I was writing about all the time.

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If you haven't noticed I comment mainly on what Sol Cambell said.


What was the context then?


What context, ifor? I know what the programme was all about, I know what problems there are with football hooligans, I read Polish newspapers and watch Polish TV. So what kind of context would change my mind about what Sol Camblell said?

His comment was over the line. I suspect his comment was one of the main reasons why all that $hitstorm ensued.

Ifor, ffs, what me watching the programme would change anything? Are you saying there were people on that programme saying "Go to Euro 2012, it won't be that bad as some people say it will"? lol


Not only black or Asian, some journalist was aksed by her foreign friends is it safe to go to Ukraine for foreigners in general, for example, so I can imagine many people simply got scared.


So they were or they weren't?


You "believe"? What were his experiences?


Sure, ifor, now I guess we should make a programme about Polish shops being destroyed in the UK, we will get goofy (or even better - me, since I don't live in the UK) in it and he will say "don't open Polish shops in the UK or they will be destroyed!" After all, I gave you an example of a reported case of a Polish shop targeted by far right. If the British authorities cannot guarantee the safety of Polish shops then there should be no Polish shops in the UK and the UK shouldn't have the right to call itself a tolerant country.

As you wrote yourself when I wrote about a Polish shop attacked: "Bad things happen everywhere.", right?

Ifor, I'm not pretending the thugs and far right in the stadiums don't exist, everyone knows about them and everyone complains about them (yes, Poles complain about them, did you know?).

As I wrtote at least two times already, I haven't seen the programme, yes, I've heard it's unbalanced, etc., also from a very normal, educated, liberal, travelled, successful Polish guy who's a great fan of football and goes to matches with his sons (he lives in Warsaw).

But I haven't seen the programme and so I'm commenting mainly on what Sol Cambell said.
Why?
Because if a former player of English national team says such things and they aren't countered in any way in that programme than that's all you need - everyone will believe such an authority and noone will have any second thoughts on the subject.

And since it was only his opinion, for the programme to be balanced there should be some other opinion too. You may not agree with such an opinion, just as I don't agree with Cambell's, but there should be one. Was there?

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And what was the context that would justify Sol Cambell saying that Poland is unworthy and it doesn't deserve to organise a football tournament? That families shouldn't go there because they'll end up in a coffin?

He wasn't just saying "During a football tournament with possibly some ultras around, it would be wise to be cautious since Poland and Ukraine have still problems with those people. Maybe it would be even better for non-white people to not go to Euro 2012 at all.".

Instead he made it look like Polish and Ukrainian people in general are somehow unworthy to organise such tournament, that they don't "deserve" it. What an arrogant and f*cked up way of thinking is this?


I will watch it probably some day, if I find the whole thing, but I don't see how any context would help here.
Barney is right, Sol Cambell in this fragment looks like a tube conveying the point that those that made that programme apparently wanted to make - Poland and Ukraine didn't deserve the Euro and people shouldn't go there o_O

And they succeeded apparently. I remember that I've read somewhere that even The Football Association in England complained about that programme, they said it scared off supporters of the English team.

Poland and Ukraine aren't some f*cked up apartheid regimes to say such things.

And I'm going to repeat the questions you haven't answered yet:
- Were there any black football players playing in Poland interviewed?
- Why was Sol Cambell asked an opinion at all? Was he ever in Poland?


Major international sporting events? You mean not only football, but the rest too? lol
I was at European Figure Skating Championships in Warsaw, there were figure skating fans from all over the world, even from Japan and it was great, I had great time and there were no problems at all.

And I disagree with you.
Giving the Euro to Poland was a great idea. Poland is one of the most monoethnic or even the most monoethnic society in Europe. It was an opportunity for Poland to open up to people of different nationalities and cultures, opportunity to experience their presence, talk to them and enjoy it, because a sporting even is a fun event. I've seen comments of Poles on the Polish internet, people from Poznań, for example, completely fell in love with the Irish. Of course it was a temporary thing, but I think that was a positive experience and it's possible it opened up people a bit. I don't mean the hooligans, but normal people. I think Poland needed that. Probably more than Ukraine, because Ukraine is pretty mulitcultural by Polish standards (or so I've heard).

I don't think making a wall around Poland and saying "don't go there" won't help this country to become more tolerant.


Just like many things that expats and British people in the UK write here on this forum. But once goofy shows up we can ask him where he lives exactly and check if that attack on Polish shop was reported.


*will, sorry

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That sounds strange, to be honest. Do they know English? Maybe they think they don't know English enough to chat? Some of them probably don't know English at all, I can imagine. People are often embarrassed when they have to speak a foreign language, especially if they aren't good at it. I remember my first conversation with a native speaker who was going to be my teacher - it was a sheer torture for me ;)

Btw, what do you mean by "ignore"? You talk to them and they don't talk back and go away or sth?


That's what happens when there's a large number of immigrants of one nationality in one place, I'm afraid. If there were fewer of them they would have to intergrate because they would have no other choice but in your case they don't have to. It's easier and more comfortable to keep to your own people who share the language, culture, etc.

How long have those Poles been in your town?

I agree completely that both sides have to make an effort, but I'm afraid in such situation you guys will have to probably make the effort, if you want to, of course.

Try to make the first move, make friends, show them they're welcome in your town (unless they aren't, of course lol) and your equals (I don't know those Poles, but that may be a problem - an inferiority complex).

When I was younger my mum would invite the English and Japanese guys who worked with her here in Kielce for lunch and dinner to our house, I also drew portraits of two Japanese guys and the daughters of one of them and they would bring me presents from Japan. It was nice.

Maybe try such gestures?

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Because I've seen the fragment when Sol Cambell spoke. That's enough to sensationalise it and if his opinion (opinion, not a fact!) wasn't counterbalanced by another opinion then it made it also unbalanced.

I've read people had tickets paid already, etc. and started wondering whether it's safe for foreigners to come to Ukraine, for example.
I haven't seen the programme so I'm wondering - were there any black football players playing in Poland interviewed?
Why was Sol Cambell asked an opinion at all? Was he ever in Poland?


Wow... OK...

So according to you:

- allowing Poland and Ukraine to host Euro 2012 was a mistake?
- we Poles are unworthy of hosting such tournaments?
- families should stay out of Poland and Ukraine, because if they don't they'll "come back in a coffin"?
- Poles and Ukrainians didn't "deserve" this prestigious tournament in their countries?

Is that what you think?


On BBC, don't know about the tabloids though.


From people? Like Lenka's friend and goofy, I guess.


So?

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Yeah, OK, I guess they had outdated info lol

In 2011 Constitutional Tribunal, after SLD complained about the law, decided that Nazi and communist symbols are allowed "w ramach działalności artystycznej, edukacyjnej, kolekcjonerskiej lub naukowej" ("for artistic, educational, collecting and scientific purposes").

I don't know if parading with Soviet flags would be considered "glorifying" the regime, but Minister of Sport and Tourism explained a couple of days before the Euro that Russians won't be punished for wearing T-shirts with communist symbols:


And make the programme sensationalist - of course they have the right to do so. I just had a better opinion of the BBC, to be honest :)


No to me. What do you think - was he right or wrong to say such things?


Censored? I remember some Polish Jewish activist or a leader of some Jewish association in Poland complaining that they left out his comment or cut it or sth and he said the programme was unbalanced, etc. Was he censored?

As for Sol Cambell's opinion - why was he asked about it? Was he ever in Poland?
Where there any black football players playing in Poland aksed about this issue?
I remember a black basketball player criticizing Sol Cambell for what he said - I think I even posted a link to a film on youtube on this forum.


And I'd rather we finish this. So, please, explain.


I don't stop only on those that show up here. I do some further clicking too.


I'm asking if they do get reported.
How? Google - that's BBC:


I don't read such portals, my source was Lenka and goofy.

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How do you know they could? Maybe it was too late already? Besides, it's easier to cancel some march (football fans usually don't organise patriotic marches during football tournaments, I think they could do without it) than reschedule a Euro match, don't you think o_O


Really? Then tell this to those Russians lol
(And, yeah, I think there's such law, or the Russian nationalists and stalinists wouldn't be ranting about it?)


No, he is a victim of xenophobia.


No, they're xenophobic.
Those are basic terms, Harry. I've noticed Americans mixing those two up, but you?


lol
;)


Those weren't racist attacks though. Then I guess BBC programme should be warning Russians to stay out from Poland, not people of different races, yes? lol

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I don't understand - what could Polish authorities do? Move the march to another day?


No, Harry, that march was seen as provocation by those idiots, I've seen their comments on the internet about the march. It was a bad idea. Some Russians claimed they will bring Soviet Union flags (to spite our law against communist symbols) to the march and our media of course reported it, because why not, it's just "news". I've been reading both Polish and Russian internet at that time so I had some insight into that mess.


No, I'm not, you liar. Don't pretend you're stupid, Harry, I have enough of this, seriously.
One of the Russians I know and really like and respect joined the march for a while and took pictures.
I'm just saying it was obvious that the march was a bad idea.


Russians aren't a different race, Harry o_O Those weren't "racist" attacks.
You wrote "racist attacks".
What racist attacks you had in mind?


So are you saying Sol Cambell was wrong to say such things?

That's not a race issue, that's a deep long-term historical problem and the Smoleńsk tragedy made it worse. It wouldn't be resolved or not resolved by UEFA giving or not giving Poland the Euro.

Actually, what happened during Euro 2012 towards Russian fans made people realise there's some kind of problem in our attitude towards Russians. And I think some people in the media may have realised that they're doing their part in it, because some media were criticized for heating up the atmosphere before the match. I have an impression that there's some improvement in our media nowadays.

That doesn't mean I think it was good that Russian fans were beat up, I hope you understand o_O

LOL
You know, I remember such funny moment in reporting of the BBC during the Euro 2012 too.
There was this BBC reporter in Warsaw, talking in a very sensationalist, agitated tone (with Polish policemen in the backround preparing for the Russian march, I think). He was telling how scary it is, that Warsaw looks like a war zone now, with all that police everyhere, etc. etc. (There were some families with children walking behind him and some Russian fans with flags, it looked pretty funny).

When he was saying about this "war zone" I've remembered there was no single BBC reporter in the area where the London riots were taking place, because it was "too dangerous" xD I remember their helicopter flying above the area to show what's going on lol


Because it made the programme sensationalist (is that music in the backround from the original programme, btw? lol).


Everything was wrong with his opinion, ifor...
Euro is not some league match where only some die hard fans come. Plenty of normal people went to those matches, there were huge masses of people, women, families with children in fan zones. And Sol Cambell said that families should stay out because they may come back in a coffin. You really don't see anything wrong in what he said?

I understood everything perfectly. I explained why I wrote that "I don't understand". Your comment was unrelated. You think it was related? Then please explain.


No, ifor, I just see what there is. I'm not making up articles in the British press, after all lol And I stumble into those articles only because I read this forum.

I'm not asking you about your imagination. I'm asking if such incidents are reported in your media.


What are you talking about? I don't read any "niezależna.pl".

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I am not dismissing that programme, since, as I have mentioned already - I haven't even seen it and I didn't write anything about "propaganda". I'm writing about a more general problem and I used what Sol Cambell said to illustrate it. I don't know if that programme was sensationalist and unbalanced, but judging by the fact that they thought it's OK to include such a statement as Sol Campbell's, I suspect it could be.


Nope. God, I sometimes wish you could see me discussing with Poles and Russians, maybe then we could avoid such accusations directed at me...


Not nice, ifor, that's low, why are you being offensive now? I wasn't offensive towards you.
It's funny, some time ago, but I guess not long enough for you to forget it, you wrote how you like my posts. But that was when I was criticizing delph. Now I'm criticizing something about your media and you're becoming aggressive. Interesting how human nature works, isn't :)

So, please, explain to me, why do you think I have reading comprehension problems ?
I wrote "I don't understand", because I think you haven't understood what we were writing about and your comment about the British not going to Poland for economic reasons was unrelated, as I already have shown to you.


Of course.
But I also can see how, let's say, "monotematic" your tabloids are, as far as Poles are concerned.
Tell me, do your media report about such stuff like I mentioned? You know, destroying someone's door because she's Polish, attacking a Polish shop, etc.?


No, they didn't come only to the match, they also organised a march celebrating a national holiday and that was after Russian fans beat up a steward in Wrocław and it was shown all over the news.

And may I add that the man who organised it, the leader of some national Russian supporters' association is a neo-Nazi? lol Of corse, our media didn't fail to mention that which made things even worse.

I think they made a mistake to allow this march in the first place.
Yes, that was a mistake.
But I don't think allowing Poland and Ukraine to host Euro 2012 was a mistake (Sol Cambell).
I don't think it was OK to say that we are unworthy of hosting such tournaments (Sol Cambell).
I don't think that families should stay out of Poland and Ukraine, because if they don't they'll "come back in a coffin" (Sol Cambell).

I don't think we didn't "deserve" this prestigious tournament in our countries (Sol Cambell).


Were there, Harry? Have you witnessed them?
Because I've seen on Youtube clashes of football fans of various nationalities in Poland. And I remember reports about such clashes from other Euros hosted in the West too.

What about Ukraine?

Tell me, Harry - do you think UEFA made a mistake by allowing Poland to host the Euro 2012?
Were we unworthy of hosting that tournament?

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And what did it say?


And what the police said?


Harry, you are being silly now :D I'm not British lol
The Irish are considered our soulmates here, didn't you know lol
Of course I have no evidence and I'm repeating what I've read in an (non-Polish) newspaper. And yeah, that's what I suspect happened, it seems the only logical conclusion really, judging by what I've read. I have no anti-Irish sentiments xD Quite the opposite.

As I already wrote, and you probably missed it on purpose: " I would make the same conclusion about a Pole drinking with his friends in an Irish pub, strolling away somewhere, not knowing the place and falling into the river while drunk." And I would make the same conclusion about a British fan and Croatian fan and German fan, etc. etc.

What's your problem, Harry?
Maybe I should have worded it in another way? That he "most likely was so drunk he drowned in a river"? Is that it?

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I'm not going to search for that article, Harry, I don't even remember in which newspaper it was (but it wasn't Polish newspaper).

And I remember the comments under that article by Irish people, lamenting about young Irish people drinking too much on holidays and being reckless.
I feel sorry fot the young man and his family, but that's what probably happened. His friends admitted that they were drinking and they didn't even realise he departed somewhere. They went back to the hotel without his friend so I'm guessing they were really drunk. He must've been pretty drunk too, it was dark probably and he stumbled into the river. If he was sober he would be able to get out of the river.

I've added some logic to what I've read in various articles and that's my conclusion.
Of course those articles I gave links to are very nice, talking about what a wonderful lad he was, etc. A young man has died, family is in mourning and there was no point to remind about not so flattering circumstances. It's understandable.


How do you know that?
Of course, I don't know that either, I don't know if there were any toxicology tests done, but I suspect there were and even without them we know he was drinking. It's a logical conclusion, I would make the same conclusion about a Pole drinking with his friends in an Irish pub, strolling away somewhere, not knowing the place and falling into the river while drunk. $hit happens. And $hit is more likely to happen to drunk people. What's new?

What do you think happened?

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At the cemetery, buried in Blessington James Nolan , an Irish fan who came to the Polish Euro 2012 and lost in Bydgoszcz. His body was found several days later in Brdo . Man bade farewell to family, friends, players of the Irish national team. At the funeral came close to 1,000 people - gives irishtimes.com .

The coffin was carried from the church father James and his brother Andy .

In some other articles (I don't remember whether those were in an Irish newspaper or in some British tabloid) I've read that his friends were so drunk that they went back to the hotel without him and realised he's not with them only in the morning, as far as I can remember. They started calling him on his cell phone but he wasn't answering the phone so they went to the police and that's how the search began.

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:)

You see, I can comment this in the same way, innit.

Btw, I'm not commenting on the programme alone, since I haven't even seen it. Sol Campbell advised people not to come to Euro 2012 because they might end up in a coffin. Noone ended up in a coffin except a white Irishman and there was one racist incident by Poles during the Euro 2012 (very blown up in the BBC World and only mentioned in Euronews) and as far as I know, no racist incidents by Ukrainians whatsoever.


OK, I'll try to explain. "Listen carefully, I shall say this only once..." lol

You wrote: "If things are so terrible in the UK as Iwonka describes them, then why have so many Poles chosen to live there? If she's 'got it right' then the population movement would surely be the other way round."

I don't understand how is that an answer to what we are writing about?
Noone wrote that things are worse in the UK than they are in Poland. Even during the crisis the UK is still a richer country than Poland (just as the rest of the West).

However, there's a global economic crisis and things, I suspect, are worse then they were before the crisis? Or not? The UK hasn't been affected by the crisis in any way?

If it was, then probably that's why 10iwonka10 writes: "I think that people are quite frustrated in UK ( unemployment, rising house prices , reduced benefits....) ". Notice that she wrote "I think".


Do you live in the UK now, ifor?


I've read about it in an Irish newspaper.


Harry, what on Earth are you talking about?
There was an investigation.
He had no marks on his body, the wallet was there, no money, no credit cards were stolen.


Harry, I don't even know how to comment on this. I'm not Polonius or kondzior or whomever.
I have an impression that it's you and some other Westerners who are convinced that no Westerner can do any wrong and your media are completely and utterly perfect o_O A Pole who says sth negative about anything in the West or the Western media is wrong by default, it seems.


No, but that's a great example of what I was writing about - the media fueling the stereotypes and the bad emotions by giving facts, yes, but mainly those bad ones.

You see, Harry, I've just admitted in my previous post that Polish media aren't perfect. I can see what they were doing wrong.

I wouldn't see it however if it wasn't pointed out to me by... Russians.
Ffg pointed out sth about your tabloids. She's Polish, so she must be wrong?


*sigh*
I see you haven't understood much either.

I think my posts are pretty balanced, so I don't understand what's your problem, guys.
This is my message: "Of course the media distort the reality. When they give you only negative facts you can become prejudiced."
That's all.
No media are completely free from some bias.

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Really? You mean what you get from media can sometimes distort the reality and influence the way people think about a country and it's people? :O

You remember that guy who said that people should stay away from Euro 2012 or they will end up in a coffin? ;O
bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00tl1z1

You know who went back home after the Euro 2012 in a coffin? A white Irishman. Who knows, probably even a Catholic. Noone killed him, he was so drunk he fell into a river and drowned. He wasn't killed, he wasn't robbed.

Of course the media distort the reality. When they give you only negative facts you can become prejudiced. Russians used to often complain about Polish media, for example. That they only showed and wrote about negative things from Russia and in this way they fueled the negative stereotypes. Not only right wing media, liberal media too. And they were right. I suspect ffg can be right too (and I had my share of reading of the articles in your newspapers like "Daily Mail", etc., I've also watched BBC World and Euronews during the Euro 2012 and I could compare - the difference was striking).


Hi, ifor ;D


Ifor, I don't think you've understood what we're talking about.


Of course, they are. But crisis and human nature has it's laws. It ain't always pretty, no matter what country is affected.
Lenka wrote once on chat that her friend living in the UK had her appartement door destroyed because she's Polish. Goofy (also in the UK) wrote that some Polish shop in his neighbourhood was attacked. So it's not like such things don't happen at all, I guess.

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Yes, you are. I've never been to the Netherlands and Greece either. Also plenty of British people haven't been to Poland.
And? :)


Yes, you have, noone wrote the British people are leaving in their droves to any country :)

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I must admit I had similar thoughts, although it can't be really compared to what happened in the Nazi Germany in the 30's. But there are some similarities. Not only in the UK, I've read some stuff about the Netherlands too*.

However, I don't think it's planned in any way. It's just prejudices. And yes, I have this impression that people of other races and Muslims are off limits while it's OK to, let's say, target Poles.

I guess there's usually a need for a scapegoat during a crisis. Look at Greece nad the Golden Dawn...
You know, Poles are new kids on the block in the UK, unlike people from India, for example. And there's a lot of them.

I think it may take some time until both Poles and the British people get use to each other. Maybe then there will be a different climate... or not, I don't know.

*For any Westerners ready to voice their disbelief - read this:

Dutch employment agencies are sounding the alarm : the Poles are leaving the Netherlands and did not return . The country of tulips do not feel welcome, will return to their homeland or to move to Germany. And the Poles are yet hard-working people and deserve a lot of respect . Such a picture emerges of a large text published on Tuesday ( 14.06 ) in a widely read free newspaper Metro .

The huge headline on the front page showing hundreds of thousands of copies of the Dutch Metro announces : Not enough Poles in employment agencies . A few pages later, he found a long text about Polish workers in the Netherlands.

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Yeah, it is. I take them only to be nice, I stuff them into my purse and throw them out into the bin when I get back home, usually even without looking at them. Such a waste of paper (and trees)...

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I don't think so... Why would I?


Not okay enough for me ;)


Probably, but it doesn't mean he's somehow unworthy of being given the correct pronunciation or sth :P ;) Besides, other people may be reading it too, people who want to learn Polish.

Language / HEE-nuff-Skee? American trying to find the correct pronunciation of his Polish last name. [9]

Um, okey... but... still... I'm sure "noff" is closer to Polish pronunciation than "nuff' even if only for the sole reason that we don't even have "uh" sound in Polish :) ;)

(and I can hear a difference between "nuff said" and "off" or "Smirnoff", for example)

Food / Mushroom picking (and eating:) in Poland [36]


You're welcome and smacznego ;)

Crow, did you invent that "song" yourself? lol

Language / HEE-nuff-Skee? American trying to find the correct pronunciation of his Polish last name. [9]


Wouldn't that be "Hejnafski"?

It's Hejnowski, so it should be sth more like "Hey-noff-skee" or even better - "Hey-nov-skee" (with "o" pronounced like in English "off", "on" or "pot").

Food / Mushroom picking (and eating:) in Poland [36]


Suillus.


Make a sauce out of them, ffs! :D

Recipes:

brown ring boletus sauce

the necessary ingredients:

0,5-1kg brown ring boletus,
2 tablespoons of butter
1 onion
200ml cream,
salt and white pepper

Cleaned brown ring boletus cook in butter until tender and the water has evaporated (I add salt to it immediately after throwing the pan).

Add the finely chopped onions, fry a moment together then add cream, season with pepper and possibly salt, cook until the sauce thickens.

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Yesss... ;)


Yup.

Life / Help with icons, signs on washing machine (from Poland) :P [17]


From top on the left:

the clock - (Programy Time Manager) - Time Manager programmes
weird icon with plus - (Bawełniane + pranie wstępne) - cotton + initial washing
flower - (Delikatne) - delicate
butterfly - (Jedwabne) - silk
icon with arrow - (Odpompowanie) - pomping out
star - (Programy specjalne) - special programmes

From top on the right:

weird icon - (Bawełniane) - cotton
triangle - (Syntetyczne) - synthetics
two icons - (Wełniane/pranie ręczne) - wool/hand washing
square icon - (Płukanie) - rinsing
spiral - (Wirowanie) - spining (whirling?)
weird icon plus three circles - (Energooszczędne-ekonomiczne) energy saving washing

The second part - on the left:
Koc = blanket
Waves - (Programy suszenia) - drying programmes

On the right:
£atwe prasowanie = easy ironing

Life / Help with icons, signs on washing machine (from Poland) :P [17]


Indeed lol :P

The icon that looks like a butterfly - for washing silk probably. The next one on the right - for wool probably. The flower - maybe for colours. But I'm just guessing :P

You need instructions from the manufacturer - check the type of this washing machine and google it, manufacturers of all kinds of electronical stuff often have the instructions on their site in pdf files. Or just ask someone who knows how to use it :P