News / Poland's election winning party: PIS proclamations [229]

It's nothing but a blatant "LOOK AMERICA! WE REALLY WANT TO BE YOUR LAPDOG!" attempt.

Still, it shows their mentality that they're quite happy to deport Polish citizens to a country with a notoriously unfair and corrupt legal system. Just like in the days of old, eh?

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Hahahaha, are you serious? :D

This stuff is just comedy gold - they actually want to make a Polish citizen face a legal system that is a complete joke?

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And already...

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HAHAHAHAHA.

This is going to be 4 years of constant comedy - 48 hours after polls closed and they've already broken two promises to the electorate ;)

(promise 1 - 500zl for every child won't happen, promise 2 - Szydło as Prime Minister)

And people are upset. WHAT DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN?!

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Polonius, if you weren't trolling, you'd actually know and realise that hatred of the TV licence seems to be rather cross-party. I know PiS supporters that don't pay it (one of them has a fantastic 54" TV), PO supporters that don't pay it (they have several TV's) and many others. The dislike of TVP seems to be pretty universal.


Problem is, there's already precedent elsewhere in Europe for doing it this way :(

On a related note : PiS+Kukiz have fallen well short of being able to change the constitution. Even with the PSL votes, they're still 12 short of a supermajority. We can breathe.

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Already, they're discussing how to force people into paying the TV licence (through PIT, through the electricity bill). So that's 200zl a year extra taxes already - and we're only two days in!

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We still don't know the number of seats though, do we?

Tomorrow, it gets announced apparently.

PiS were forecast 37.7% and 232 seats, so they've dropped to just under 37.6%. It'll be fascinating to see if they actually pull off a majority or not.

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See much difference between the Tories and PO, do you?

Anyway, waiting for results... If those votes from London don't come in by 21:00, then it seems the UK vote is disqualified and Kukiz will have lost a considerable amount of votes...

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It's a bit of a grey area. The servers aren't physically located in Poland, but we are still resident in Poland and responsible for publishing anything about it. So - theoretically yes.

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Online polls are hardly reliable. They attract a lot of votes from people that have too much time on their hands - which is why KORWiN is so massively overepresented online.

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I think the problem is that Kopacz has a really sound grasp on policy, she doesn't have the "it" factor. PO are really lacking in personalities right now - they used to roll over PiS with heavyweight political talent, but without Sikorski, Rostowski and so on, they're struggling. They also seem to be really struggling to get people on the streets, which is strange for a party that was and is mentioned as being the first Polish party that's comparable to Western parties in terms of structure and organisation

The "Kocham Polskę" campaign started off strongly, but it just didn't have legs for whatever reason.


I don't get it as well. I've noticed that the parties this time round are behaving in a really apathetic way - ok, PiS are struggling for cash after throwing everything at Duda's campaign - but it doesn't cost very much to get people out and about.


General predictions seem to be that PiS+Kukiz could enjoy a 10-15 seat majority. If Kukiz fails, then PiS will fall just short.

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First things first - Polonius, could you post more things like this and less of the abusive nonsense? It's a really nice topic, and you haven't shown bias towards any one party.

Anyway...


The nanny state is clearly what Poles prefer. There hasn't been one genuinely right wing economically government in the III RP, and the polls are all showing that the people want control over their lives.

I'm not saying it's a good or bad thing, only that when the two biggest parties control at least 60% of the vote and they both stand for nanny, then there must be something in it.

A curious question will be that if PiS gets elected, how much nanny stuff will PiS actually roll back? I can't imagine them changing the law on school food, for instance.

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Both of them have performed pretty terribly in this campaign, to be honest.

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Let's talk situations :

PiS+Kukiz are on 47.7% combined.
PO+Nowoczesna are on 34.5% combined

If ZL pass the threshold - then we have PiS+Kukiz on 47.7% along with the rainbow coalition on 48.1%.

I think this entire election is hinging on two things - can ZL meet the 8% barrier (which is still a terrible result for them), and can Kukiz hold on?

If ZL make it and Kukiz doesn't, then PiS have lost the election. If ZL make it and Kukiz makes it, I have no idea. If ZL don't make it and Kukiz does, then PiS/Kukiz are logical coalition partners and should hold a majority.


I'm not so sure that it's as dramatic as the polls suggest. A lot of the "undecided" voters are swinging between PO and Nowoczesna for instance - I've got several friends that simply don't know.


I wish, Polonius. if I had a yuppie-type expat existence, I'd be able to establish a chain of social schools based on the needs of poor children (i.e., the school would fit the kids, not the other way round).

Worth pointing out that I've only actually voted PO once, and that was for a PO-backed candidate rather than a PO member that was a candidate.

Wulkan - you're correct. We can only dream of cleaning toilets for tips.


Hahahahahahahaa.

PiS, appointing people fairly? That'll be the day!

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You honestly take online polls seriously with the Razem and Korwin fanboys around?

That poll reckons KORWiN will come 2nd in Lubelskie, for instance. That's not really believable in the slightest.

News / Kaczyński slams "political correctness" plague in Poland [85]


Constitutionally, it's an interesting point. The Constitution says that the President shall appoint someone as PM within 14 days, so old Lech would've had the possibility of reappointing Jarosław. He would've lost the vote of confidence, but it would've allowed him to stay in office a bit longer.

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The thing that amazes me the most about PiS - they are clearly a bunch of well educated opportunists who enjoy comfortable lives (far beyond the life imaginable by their supporters ) - and yet people seem to be utterly convinced that these are "good, honest people".

It's like a sort of mass delusion.

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I don't recall Kaczyński ever talking about democracy as something worth defending - on the contrary, he openly talks about destroying the III RP.

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Until he realised that his best hope was to pretend otherwise.

He's nothing but the worst sort of populist - worse even than PiS!

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You mean removing all those PiS, Samobroona and LPR goons that only got their jobs because of who they were.

PiS will do exactly the same this time round. For instance - the GDDKiA has done an amazing job in the last few years - yet it's obvious that PiS will fire every single regional manager and replace them with PiS goons. This is entirely the problem with PiS - it exists solely as a party to provide jobs for the boys and girls that support PiS now.

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I don't think it is, but I wonder what made him that way.

The virulent anti-Communist stuff seems to be some sort of reaction to his privileged nomeklatura upbringing, but the rest of it is rather illogical.

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No, which is quite surreal. The claim by his office was that he was visiting Dziuba in Poznań, which made no sense whatsoever.

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As I said, invented by PiS.

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Remind us why it was Duda that was caught red handed claiming for trips to his private workplace, remind us why it was Hoffman that was caught, etc etc?

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They don't need to - PiS do an excellent job of doing it to themselves. What with a President that stole from the public purse, a PR man that defrauded the Sejm and many other characters - PO doesn't have to do it, as PiS are able to demonise themselves very easily.


I somehow imagine that PiS would rather spend 4 years obsessing about PO and the past.


Couldn't have said it better myself. When they realised that communism was dead and no-one was bothered by it anymore, they invented "gender" as the new boogeyman.

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I'm pretty sure Kaczyński doesn't believe in 90+% of what he says. It's pretty obvious that he has no real agenda beyond obtaining and keeping power - his own political history suggests that he's willing to adopt whatever position needed.

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Indeed. Much of what he says is based on the PZPR methods - simple slogans designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator. He rants about political correctness, but I doubt his supporters could actually define how it affects people in Poland on an everyday basis.


Meanwhile, he would make sure that the law didn't apply to him and his circumstances. Horrific.

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His programme is simple. Obtain a handful of seats in the Sejm. Allow Szydło to become PM. Fight with PiS constantly. Be humiliated as his Ruch Narodowy members cause endless trouble. Withdraw support from PiS. Support new technocratic government. Lose elections badly.

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...I think I've read it all on PF. A Frenchwoman that doesn't cook... zut alors!

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Polonius, I think your paranoia has reached an all-time high. I've seen about 100 police controls in the last 5 years, and not a single one was oppressive in the slightest. They turn up, they check the documents, they sometimes test for alcohol, they check the equipment on the bus, they check the lights/horn/etc and they're on their way. They aren't oppressing anyone, or doing anything other than making sure that the democratically-passed law on road safety is obeyed. More to the point - they're also making sure that the bus isn't a danger to anyone else on the road.

I'm very happy that Poland is the kind of country where politicians are not above the law. I have to inform the police about using buses - and they check me. Why should Szydło be exempt from it? A single police control in several months of using the bus is really nothing.

No matter how hard you try Polonius, it's pretty obvious that you want the PiS-Politburo to be exempt from all laws. Did you know that in East Germany, the SED Politburo carried special passes that allowed them to be exempt from any and all road rules? It sound like you want the same.


And another 4 years of PiS in opposition. Doesn't bother me ;)


Nice to see that you're not even denying that PiS intend to seize control of TVP and turn it into PiSTV.

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...to be fair, would it actually surprise anyone if he received mail addressed that way? No chance of a credit card to that name though, given his famous lack of a bank account.

To be honest though Vincent, I wish you would bring back the rule requiring real names to always be used and none of this childish ******* nonsense.