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Ironside   
3 Feb 2012
History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]

So what would be your final solution to this 'problem'?

Well, ask Jews in Poland to sign a document stating that Poland wasn't and isn't anti-Semitic. Those who refuse should be moved to a country of their choosing, can't live any longer in such hostile environment can they ?

Seriously but, anti-Semitism should be defined precisely and used only in a real cases of Jew's hate because of their "blood". Other that that use of the word should be restricted and it misuse fined dearly.

Ironside, read post #443.

Hey I know, my question was addressed to Jonny who imply that Jews are a race.
Do not take all I post as a face value - I'm very sensible dude - what I don't like are labels and double standards.

doused with cold at the moment !
Ironside   
3 Feb 2012
Off-Topic / Book: Gogol's Taras Bulba [37]

Poland had invaded Ukraine,had turned Ukraine into a little poland and had subjegated the ukrainians.....whats that then?

nope, nope, and nope three times wrong - go and stand in the corner bad boy!

Gde? :)

is it that picture a day after.... ?
:)
Ironside   
2 Feb 2012
Off-Topic / Book: Gogol's Taras Bulba [37]

Stop self-pity Harry , you are a professional off-topic poster !
Ironside   
2 Feb 2012
Off-Topic / Book: Gogol's Taras Bulba [37]

It's one of the greatest Russian writers who ranges with Pushkin, Dostoevskiy, Tolstoy and some others. To label his work "Polonophobic" would be too shallow. However for some it doesn't bear any other content but Polonophobia.
Btw I believe TB is not the best thing the master have created

Well, maybe not polonophbic per se but written in accord with the Russian Empire tune - all our enemies were bad, only our Saintly Russia is right and immortal !

I wonder why none of those great artist didn't atempt to write book set roughly at the same time Taras's narration is set but about Russia.

Great material to study conditions of the human soul when top Russian "nobles" were ordered by czar to hop about like monkeys with naked butts !

That tune maybe familiar to many posters here from other Empires attempting to educate Poles in a way of civilised human being ie marching in order and/or hop about like monkey with naked butt/

Thank you - no!
Ironside   
2 Feb 2012
Off-Topic / Book: Gogol's Taras Bulba [37]

..its about Polands grasping Empire building and attempts to enslave non Poles..

What a bull istau2 ! BS and propaganda !
Ironside   
2 Feb 2012
History / Would you classify the Poland's Communist years as a "Soviet occupation" ? [221]

There weren't any enemy occupiers,

no ? I say there were !

Peeing problems aside, certain jobs flatly required party membership. Like being a teacher.

Right, one correction being a teacher didn't require party membership but being head-master did.

and you'll have to be a bit more specific. What makes, say, one civil servant a 'collaborator', and another not?

I cannot be specific while talking in general terms.
Ironside   
2 Feb 2012
History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]

The anti-Jewish rallies were entirely home-grown.

I'm sure that Kremlin love you !

If that is the case, it was only possible due to a few million Polish collaborators.

nice dig at the men of" honour" Harry !

Can you explain why the USSR didn't throw its Jews out in 1968? If Poland was merely following instructions from Moscow, why didn't the USSR do the same as it had supposedly instructed Poland to do?

Why don't you ask them ?
Ironside   
2 Feb 2012
History / Would you classify the Poland's Communist years as a "Soviet occupation" ? [221]

A tragic and straightforward accident, upon which some nutters have fixated and sought conspiracies that just aren't there. The same sort of people who say the PRL was an 'occupation.'

OOO?
Sticking to some definition with limited usefulness for describing reality is a sign of narrow-mindedness.
To be honest I don't care about made up definitions if they fail to describe reality, those people who do are living in the la-la land or don't care about the truth for any number of reasons.

PRL was a Soviet Occupation because that state was built by the Soviet military power and maintained because of the Soviet military power. No number of Polish born employees of the state, collaborators and traitors affects those facts.
Ironside   
1 Feb 2012
History / Would you classify the Poland's Communist years as a "Soviet occupation" ? [221]

So you wish to claim that Mikolajczyk and the others from the government in exile were imposed on the people of Poland by the Soviets? Really?

stop rolling you fence sitter

Someone may not like a regime (though there were many in the PRL who liked it very much) but that doesn't make it an occupation.

So, according to you familiar with all those terms and all what PRL would be then - colony ?
Ironside   
1 Feb 2012
History / Would you classify the Poland's Communist years as a "Soviet occupation" ? [221]

This nevertheless doesn't make the government of Poland 'an occupation' even though you didn't personally like them.

No, but that makes them traitors and puppets of their Kremlin masters !
Why was Poland called Soviet satellite not an ally if all was that simple and kosher?
Well, I don't like present government in Poland either but I wouldn't call them occupiers or puppets.
You haven't answered my question though - who were Soviets then ?

Entirely so, though it's interesting to note that when someone is trying to argue a point on the internet and is losing the argument that they sooner or later mention the Nazis.

I'm only referring to the common western iconography. Not that I'm loosing the argument, its rather that you are hiding behind definition without putting forward any other arguments. It is not good enough for me, sorry.
Ironside   
1 Feb 2012
History / Would you classify the Poland's Communist years as a "Soviet occupation" ? [221]

Which it doesn't. The PRL government was legally recognised as such by neighbouring states, by the US, the UK, Franc and the entire United nations. Not an 'occupatio

It raises an interesting question whether those stated above countries do not share responsibility for regime installed in Poland by soviet bayonets They do morally, there is no doubt about that. I wonder whether that responsibility should not be extended.

Occupants cannot create a new state out of the occupied territory, transfer or deport the population, nor change borders.
All that had been done by Soviets with the US, France and the UK approval.
So, we can daftly assume that your legal term is not worth the paper it is written on and carry on regardless.
Ironside   
1 Feb 2012
History / Would you classify the Poland's Communist years as a "Soviet occupation" ? [221]

The reality is that 'occupation' has a very precise meaning, defined under international law.

However :
#

1. Invasion, conquest, and control of a nation or territory by foreign armed forces.
2. The military government exercising control over an occupied nation or territory.

/If the shoe fit ?