Ironside
15 Feb 2012
History / Lech Kaczynski - was he a good leader? [88]
are you still waiting ?:D
Please kindly answer. Thank you in advance.
are you still waiting ?:D
Ironside
15 Feb 2012
Love / More loveless sex of Poles living in the regained lands [73]
I think that is a rhetorical question
are you insane.
I think that is a rhetorical question
Ironside
15 Feb 2012
History / Polish Officer in NATO, Col. Ryszard Kukliński. [145]
Why he could be hated ?
Well, do you have sources to back it up ? I think that he did it for everything but monies!
Not everybody is like your father or you, you should rememberer that!
And we are .......?yes, bingo, ...discussing things and points of view.
I would say it is all depends on circumstances - nobody is a lone island.
In fact, it's easy to see why Kuklinski could be hated by a cross section of Polish society..
Why he could be hated ?
but he basically did it for money
Well, do you have sources to back it up ? I think that he did it for everything but monies!
Not everybody is like your father or you, you should rememberer that!
You do realise this is a discussion forum?
And we are .......?yes, bingo, ...discussing things and points of view.
t seems you think the idea of treason depends on the politics of the countries involved.
I would say it is all depends on circumstances - nobody is a lone island.
Ironside
14 Feb 2012
History / Polish Officer in NATO, Col. Ryszard Kukliński. [145]
not surprising given that KGB cronies and co-workers were pretty much in charge in Poland.
not surprising given that KGB cronies and co-workers were pretty much in charge in Poland.
Ironside
14 Feb 2012
History / Polish Officer in NATO, Col. Ryszard Kukliński. [145]
Well it is not for you to decide and never was. It is just your opinion and come to think about it not that overtly important. That is Up to Poles to decide you can tell us what you think about Kim Philby.
Kuklinski was a senior officer in his country's army. One oath to serve. He betrayed that country and was tried and sentenced for his crimes
Well it is not for you to decide and never was. It is just your opinion and come to think about it not that overtly important. That is Up to Poles to decide you can tell us what you think about Kim Philby.
Ironside
14 Feb 2012
History / Polish Officer in NATO, Col. Ryszard Kukliński. [145]
Russia was free enough even ruled by murderous regime - nothing new for Russia. There were never such country as Ukraine.
a) Neither was Ukraine. And nor, for that matter, was Russia. And even if they were, they were as certainly as with Poland not free countries.
Russia was free enough even ruled by murderous regime - nothing new for Russia. There were never such country as Ukraine.
Ironside
14 Feb 2012
History / Polish Officer in NATO, Col. Ryszard Kukliński. [145]
No we cannot ! All stems from the fact that PRL wasn't an independent country.
As for Suvorov - are you condoning Bolsheviks!? Yes I think that you are!
We can also compare him to the man who writes under the name Viktor Suvorov: a Russian/Ukrainian officer in GRU who passed information to the west and still has a sentence of death waiting for him any time he goes to Russia.
No we cannot ! All stems from the fact that PRL wasn't an independent country.
As for Suvorov - are you condoning Bolsheviks!? Yes I think that you are!
Ironside
14 Feb 2012
Love / More loveless sex of Poles living in the regained lands [73]
Poland isn't and never was staunchly Catholic and definitely not in the way those protestant-Jewish-NWO rags of a BS understand.
Poland isn't and never was staunchly Catholic and definitely not in the way those protestant-Jewish-NWO rags of a BS understand.
Ironside
14 Feb 2012
History / Polish Officer in NATO, Col. Ryszard Kukliński. [145]
See, Harry that is the reason you should have never take upon yourself to determine who is and who isn't Polish.
You just don't know.
See, Harry that is the reason you should have never take upon yourself to determine who is and who isn't Polish.
You just don't know.
Ironside
14 Feb 2012
History / Polish Officer in NATO, Col. Ryszard Kukliński. [145]
Would you like me to point out what country he was born in and what country he was citizen of?
I can play your game too!
Seriously Harry you are in no position to say who was and who wasn't Polish unless you are Polish yourself and you are not - end of!
Born in Poland
Would you like me to point out what country he was born in and what country he was citizen of?
I can play your game too!
Seriously Harry you are in no position to say who was and who wasn't Polish unless you are Polish yourself and you are not - end of!
Ironside
14 Feb 2012
History / Polish Officer in NATO, Col. Ryszard Kukliński. [145]
Bierunt wasn't Polish.
And rest of them traitors !
Poles, actually, not just Polish-speakers. And Poles who did far more for Poland than you have ever done or will ever do.
Bierunt wasn't Polish.
And rest of them traitors !
Ironside
14 Feb 2012
Love / More loveless sex of Poles living in the regained lands [73]
Yep thats the one ,people failed to pass those values. They just didn't talked politics or stories about the war.
Did the resettlers fail to pass these values on to their post-war-born descendants?
Yep thats the one ,people failed to pass those values. They just didn't talked politics or stories about the war.
Ironside
13 Feb 2012
UK, Ireland / What do Polish people think about Wales and Welsh people? [191]
Eh? 14 ?
Is this forum suitable for kids at all ?
You certify that you are 14 years of age
Eh? 14 ?
Is this forum suitable for kids at all ?
Ironside
13 Feb 2012
History / Polish Officer in NATO, Col. Ryszard Kukliński. [145]
Wehrmacht oath
Die Vereidigung der Wehrmacht auf Adolf Hitler, 2.8.1934
"Ich schwöre bei Gott diesen heiligen Eid, daß ich dem Führer des Deutschen Reiches und Volkes Adolf Hitler, dem Oberbefehlshaber der Wehrmacht, unbedingten Gehorsam leisten und als tapferer Soldat bereit sein will, jederzeit für diesen Eid mein Leben einzusetzen."
The Wehrmacht Oath of Loyalty to Adolf Hitler, 2 August 1934
"I swear by God this sacred oath that to the Leader of the German empire and people, Adolf Hitler, supreme commander of the armed forces, I shall render unconditional obedience and that as a brave soldier I shall at all times be prepared to give my life for this oath."
Wehrmacht oath
Die Vereidigung der Wehrmacht auf Adolf Hitler, 2.8.1934
"Ich schwöre bei Gott diesen heiligen Eid, daß ich dem Führer des Deutschen Reiches und Volkes Adolf Hitler, dem Oberbefehlshaber der Wehrmacht, unbedingten Gehorsam leisten und als tapferer Soldat bereit sein will, jederzeit für diesen Eid mein Leben einzusetzen."
The Wehrmacht Oath of Loyalty to Adolf Hitler, 2 August 1934
"I swear by God this sacred oath that to the Leader of the German empire and people, Adolf Hitler, supreme commander of the armed forces, I shall render unconditional obedience and that as a brave soldier I shall at all times be prepared to give my life for this oath."
Ironside
13 Feb 2012
History / Polish Officer in NATO, Col. Ryszard Kukliński. [145]
Really ? he took an oath no buts, no ifs !
Von Stauffenberg, by the way was a very different kettle of fish.
Really ? he took an oath no buts, no ifs !
Ironside
13 Feb 2012
History / Polish Officer in NATO, Col. Ryszard Kukliński. [145]
Soviet Army ! Polish branch of the Red Army
the Polish Army w
Soviet Army ! Polish branch of the Red Army
Ironside
13 Feb 2012
Love / More loveless sex of Poles living in the regained lands [73]
Gee I know that but somehow it always come as a surprise like some people are totally clueless ignorant piece of prejudiced modern bigotry.
that's their role as of course intimate relations between a man and woman is inherently evil.
Gee I know that but somehow it always come as a surprise like some people are totally clueless ignorant piece of prejudiced modern bigotry.
Ironside
13 Feb 2012
History / Polish Officer in NATO, Col. Ryszard Kukliński. [145]
von Stauffenberg ....
I see your point but I Disagree
Poles too often has been faced with the bad choices only
von Stauffenberg ....
I see your point but I Disagree
Poles too often has been faced with the bad choices only
Ironside
13 Feb 2012
History / Polish Officer in NATO, Col. Ryszard Kukliński. [145]
Thats what they say but in a real life its happens often enough.
Ever.
Thats what they say but in a real life its happens often enough.
Ironside
13 Feb 2012
History / Polish Officer in NATO, Col. Ryszard Kukliński. [145]
There is not universal traitor's concept.
He was the traitor to PRL - good !
Even if that were true it doesn't make it so!
An oath is an oath. No ifs or buts.
There is not universal traitor's concept.
He was the traitor to PRL - good !
Poles disagree with you: more Poles consider Kuklinski to be a traitor than consider him a hero.
Even if that were true it doesn't make it so!
Ironside
13 Feb 2012
History / Polish Officer in NATO, Col. Ryszard Kukliński. [145]
So he was a traitor to the traitors. He didn't betrayed Poland or Poles. Jaruzelski and Kiszczak did and they are traitors.
Traitor to PRL it is nothing to be ashame of!
So he was a traitor to the traitors. He didn't betrayed Poland or Poles. Jaruzelski and Kiszczak did and they are traitors.
Traitor to PRL it is nothing to be ashame of!
Ironside
13 Feb 2012
History / Polish Officer in NATO, Col. Ryszard Kukliński. [145]
Really ? What is your definition of heroism?
Really ? What is your definition of heroism?
Ironside
13 Feb 2012
History / Polish Officer in NATO, Col. Ryszard Kukliński. [145]
Thats about right !
Some post-commie scumballs
Thats about right !
Ironside
12 Feb 2012
News / Anti-Szymborska hate content on Polish websites [38]
Lucky ?I don't think that luck has anything to do with it. there were Plenty of extraordinary Polish writers and poets in the XX century.
Hey We are only 12 years into the new century.
Lucky ?I don't think that luck has anything to do with it. there were Plenty of extraordinary Polish writers and poets in the XX century.
I don't see any candidates on the horizon.
Hey We are only 12 years into the new century.
Ironside
12 Feb 2012
History / Lech Kaczynski - was he a good leader? [88]
quote=JonnyM]Because as you have just acknowledged, he is right.
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Right ? In what way he is right, most people are watching TV and their views are shaped by the main TV channels.
Name the main TV channels in Poland.
TV Trwam is not a main channel and never was. It is a new and small TV which can be received on maybe 40% of Poland's territory.
As For radio M it is not political radio, its listeners are a religious bunch and it doesn't influence population at large.
Your argument is that because there are alternative information sources in media easily accessible there is some sort of balance on medias front ? There is not, most main TV channels, most newspapers and magazines are singing the same tune and that includes hymns of praise for Tusk and his cronies and lies like the one about The Independence March.
Also claiming that because those medias are in same way anti-Establishment that makes them some kind of one front or into supporters of PiS is not a democratic way of thinking it is totalitarian set of mind - them versus us!
quote=JonnyM]Because as you have just acknowledged, he is right.
[/quote]
Right ? In what way he is right, most people are watching TV and their views are shaped by the main TV channels.
Name the main TV channels in Poland.
TV Trwam is not a main channel and never was. It is a new and small TV which can be received on maybe 40% of Poland's territory.
As For radio M it is not political radio, its listeners are a religious bunch and it doesn't influence population at large.
Your argument is that because there are alternative information sources in media easily accessible there is some sort of balance on medias front ? There is not, most main TV channels, most newspapers and magazines are singing the same tune and that includes hymns of praise for Tusk and his cronies and lies like the one about The Independence March.
Also claiming that because those medias are in same way anti-Establishment that makes them some kind of one front or into supporters of PiS is not a democratic way of thinking it is totalitarian set of mind - them versus us!
Ironside
12 Feb 2012
News / Anti-Szymborska hate content on Polish websites [38]
Why did you bring Miłosz in then?
Outside it. The thread is about Szymborska.
Why did you bring Miłosz in then?
Ironside
12 Feb 2012
History / Lech Kaczynski - was he a good leader? [88]
yeah, taking chances, an educated guess, they are not very good at this anyway.
That is your opinion not a fact.
Did they ? so what ?It doesn't change facts.
Come on Mr knowledge doesn't know? Never heard about the influence of TV on general population?
You couldn't resist to show off could you ?
Those lies and manipulations.
They're the best chance of getting unbiased opinions.
yeah, taking chances, an educated guess, they are not very good at this anyway.
the President would be so petty as to use the veto as a weapon against political opponents.
That is your opinion not a fact.
Say what you want, but the professionals at the IPN have cleared him of what he's accused of by the usual suspects.
Did they ? so what ?It doesn't change facts.
don't know
Come on Mr knowledge doesn't know? Never heard about the influence of TV on general population?
What lies and manipulations? Are you claiming that he didn't have TV Trwam, Radio Maryja and Gazeta Polska 100% behind him, as well as countless hysterical right-wing websites?
You couldn't resist to show off could you ?
Those lies and manipulations.
Ironside
12 Feb 2012
News / Anti-Szymborska hate content on Polish websites [38]
How come ? Where is Herbert's place in that equation?
Either Szymborska or Milosz.
How come ? Where is Herbert's place in that equation?
Ironside
11 Feb 2012
Ironside
11 Feb 2012
History / Lech Kaczynski - was he a good leader? [88]
I wouldn't have problem with your right to your opinion if not for lies and manipulations on the top of it I can bet that you are proud of yourself because of that -yuck.
Excuse ? Who or what he is excusing ? lost your marbles Mr Sleek ?
You said that the President in Poland cannot do nothing, he was disaster at doing nothing ?huh?
Mainly TV, thats the culprit !
What stuff ? It clear to anyone who Walsa was, no need for stuff to be made up!
Since when they know the best anything about Poland ?
That's your excuse, but Lech Kaczynski had the 2nd highest selling daily newspaper behind him, as well as a TV channel and radio station. Trying to claim that the "media" is to blame is futile.
I wouldn't have problem with your right to your opinion if not for lies and manipulations on the top of it I can bet that you are proud of yourself because of that -yuck.
That's the usual excuse spouted by those who simply weren't good enough to make it. I could introduce you to plenty of people who got there through hard work, but you'd just scorn them because they aren't failures.
Excuse ? Who or what he is excusing ? lost your marbles Mr Sleek ?
People hated him not because of what the media told them, but because of what he did. He was an utter disaster as President,
You said that the President in Poland cannot do nothing, he was disaster at doing nothing ?huh?
People hated him not because of what the media told them,
Mainly TV, thats the culprit !
the stuff with Walesa
What stuff ? It clear to anyone who Walsa was, no need for stuff to be made up!
The best source is The Economist - they tend to present a balanced view of what's going on. You might also want to read the US Embassy cables relating to Poland - many of them objectively discuss things, and show what PiS were upto when in Government.
Since when they know the best anything about Poland ?