News / LGBT hate speech to be banned in Poland [208]


Not only a euphemism but a misnomer. Despite all the flamboyance and ostentatious exuberance, homosexuals are really not gay in the normal meaning of the word, but troubled. But calling them "saddies" wouldn't be a good PR label.

News / LGBT hate speech to be banned in Poland [208]


Yes, there is a difference. Althouhg there is a faint similarity, because there are people reluctant to admit to being of Polish or other ethnic ancestry (a small minority) for business or career purposes or simple snobbery, it was the homo communtiy that coined the expression "coming out". The homo marriage controversy issue brought PC discrimination to the fore when people's freedom of speech was curtailed as they were allowed to publicly opt for only one side of the debate -- the pro-homo marriage option. All others, especially if they were in positions of authority, faced reprisals. People lost their jobs, were bypassed for promotions, for blackballed, professors' tenure was jeopardised, school children got bad grades for pro-DOMA compositions, some people were driven out of business, etc.

Anyway, I appreciate your thougthful explanation of the various points. It shows that those who called my arguments "homophobic" were wrong. Unlike jon, who mainly fucntions in the realm of evasive replies. catch phrases, buzz words and repetitively tired and boring slogans, you have actually provided some concrete information. In many cases, perhaps it is those who nonchalantly daub anyone who disagrees with their agenda with the homophobic brush are the ones actually guilty of slander and hate speech.

News / LGBT hate speech to be banned in Poland [208]


Nobody is urging people to use terms such as "dirty fag", but your interlocutor is right that nowadays, as in the Nazi and Stalinist era, people are afraid to criticise PC's sacred cows for fear of endangering their job or even getting a "wilczy bilet" where other firms would be reluctant to hire them. So people speak their mind in hushed tones in their inner circles and glance about to make sure nobody else is within earshot. That's why it is called the PC distatorship -- any system can intimidate people into obedience but then they too become victims of oppression. Homos should know the sting of discrmination and the fear of coming out. Will imposing similar constraints on the unlike-minded erase past wrongs?

News / LGBT hate speech to be banned in Poland [208]


Since you seem good at this, a few more exmaples:
--One of the £ódź football clubs call their rival team Żydy -- chant it at matches and daub it on walls together with a Star of David hanging from gallows - hate crime or just harmless fun?

-- Exposing, questioning, dsiagreeing with and openly attacking pro-homo propaganda being peddled by paid or volunteer LGBT propagandists -- hate crime or freedom of speech?

--Describing various homo sex practices accurately but in graphic detail which might seem disgusting to faint-hearted heteros -- hate crime or accurate description?
--Accurately describing widely shared homo attributes, physical traits, general appearance, dress, mannerisms and behaviour -- hate crime or simple description?

News / LGBT hate speech to be banned in Poland [208]


Vague superlatives but why no brass tack and nails? What exactly constitutes hate speech? Some speific examples?
What about a play titled "All Gays burn in hell"? Is that hate speech or freedom of artistic expression.
Calling homosexuals fags? Hate speech or freedom of speech?
Or writing an op-ed saying homos should be imprisoned or deported? Hate speech or freedom of expression?
Citing research showing that homos have a higher STD rate than heteros? Hate speech or documented medical evidence?

News / LGBT hate speech to be banned in Poland [208]


Anit-Cahtolic hate speech is posyhcologcially oppressive to devout Catholics. Does tearing up the Bible on stage, desecrating the crucifix or making n blasphemous remarks against the Chruch and the clergy in public qualify as hate speech or fall under freedom of artistic expression?

News / LGBT hate speech to be banned in Poland [208]


Give an example of what in your view is hate speech.

News / LGBT hate speech to be banned in Poland [208]


From having to watch pervert parades and having pro-homo sex ed forced on their kids.


BTW did you know a normal (or "straight" as you call them) performing artist has a hard time getting a job in the Teatr Wielki. The "crookeds" have it all sewn up. That is reportedly also the case in other Warsaw cultural circles. Only a gay may stay!

UK, Ireland / Polish candidate for London mayor to represent 2nd-class citzens [26]


Just a point to ponder -- the proportion of eccentrics is roughly the same in all classes, but why is it people and the media are fascianted by an eccentric millionaire but not by an eccentrivc homelss?

UK, Ireland / Polish candidate for London mayor to represent 2nd-class citzens [26]


He didn't say he was indigent but felt being treated like a second-class citizen in a socio-politcal sense and he pinpointed the root cause: British imperialism. The British imperialist mentality, sense of superiority and tendency to look down on "wogs" of every type.

News / Have PO (Platforma) operatives in Poland fallen into a panic? [332]

Paweł Kukiz has registered his grouping with the Polish Election Commission. It is called Kukiz'15.

News / Have PO (Platforma) operatives in Poland fallen into a panic? [332]


How could they? They are doing the same kind of electioneering whether or not the campaign has officially started. The PO side is at an advantage becuase the govt still can adopt populistic electorate-pleasing measures which may gain them extra votes. The oppositon can only promise what they will do if they win.

News / Have PO (Platforma) operatives in Poland fallen into a panic? [332]


The PO are good at that. Like the away cabinet meetings, the latest in Wrocław. "We want to be closer to the people bla-bla-bla," claim their propagndists. Somehow in 8 years at the trough they only started doing this during the election campaign. Pure coincidence of course! Nothing to do with winning brownie points with the electorate. These cabinet sessions in the field requiring extensive organisaitonal effort and the transport of the entire government plus auxiliary personnel use up incomparably more taxpayer money than just Szydło or Kopacz touring the country, shaking hands and electioneering.

News / Have PO (Platforma) operatives in Poland fallen into a panic? [332]


He believes, possibly mistakenly, that JOW will settle all problems -- bring politicians closer to the people, involve citizens in public affairs, etc.
I understand that system is used in Britain and the results are that the number of votes do not translate into mandates. I seem to have heard UKIP got a lot of votes but only one or two seats. Regardless of whether anyone likes or dislikes UKIP -- I used that example because it struck me as being way out of proportion. But let's see what transpires. I only know that the Tusks and Kaczyńskis and their flunkies have made a mess of things, so maybe this will be a breath of fresh air -- maybe it will serve as a catylst fostering positive change. Piłsudski was also inconventional his own way.

History / History of European and Poland's anti-semitism [192]


Don't mean to pry, but I would be most itnerested and appreciative if you cared to share some of your impressions of what it was like growing up in PRL.

News / Have PO (Platforma) operatives in Poland fallen into a panic? [332]


Do you think a rush to judgement is the best approach? OK, he's unvonventional, but why not give the bloke the benefit of the doubt until he explains what he is on about.

Regardless of whether he is a single-issue activist (JOW) or not, the 20% support in the election is a warning bell that not all is right with the Polish politcal scene. How could there be when the Polish-Polish War is now in its 10th year with no signs of abating. All the energy which could help solve problems most Poles find oppressive has been channelled into sterile and unproductive mutual mud-slinging.

History / History of European and Poland's anti-semitism [192]


But since Poland ditched communism many have been rediscovering their roots. There are now numerous opporunties -- classes in Jewish religon and culture, clubs, a sporing union, etc. bankrolled by generous foundations in teh West. Some parents purposely did not tell their kids of their roots to protect them from anticipated discrimination and abuse. Often the kids end up being more Jewish than their de-Judaeised parents. If interested, chat with Rabbi Schudrich about this.

History / History of European and Poland's anti-semitism [192]

I really don't care to discucss on a personal level and made the mistake of introducing some personal experiences. What's the point of belabouring the point? We were discussing issues, namely anti-Semitism.

History / History of European and Poland's anti-semitism [192]


We've all had our experiences. I personally was wronged by a Polish-born PolAm from California who had cheated me out of money refused to return a non-carbon-copied book MS, and once had a suit stolen from my car in Michigan by an old black guy. Is that whining or just reminiscing -- I don't know.

I hope you're not one of those that say Jews can do no wrong.

History / History of European and Poland's anti-semitism [192]


She was always at the top of the class and has always been an overachiever, but the elderly prof kept leading her on for ulterior motives -- she wanted to move to Sweden in her old age where her daughter lived and dropped her PhD student after she had secretly made all the arrangements. But no-one holds it against her, she has long been dead and buried -- but she did achieve her goal which we might term her personal "survival strategy".

One must accept that in business, politics and personal life one person's success is often someone else's setback. That also pertains to nations, ethnic groups, religions and other communities. That's life, so it's nothing get paranoid about.

History / History of European and Poland's anti-semitism [192]


You must be paranoid, because you cannot point to a single anti-Semitic remark I have ever made. Just a sweeping generalisation to derail or quash all disucssion.


Personal experience is a strong motivating and opinion-moulding force, but I prefer a wider discussion of issues. My dad had a Jewish accountant who was a very good and loyal employee. My wife didn't get her PhD through the machinations of a Jewish lady professor.

To me anecdotal occurences are interesting only to the extent that they fit into a broader picture.
Every nation gets a set of givens to work with and Jews have known how to use them to maximum advantage. Clannishness or ethno-relgious solidarity or call it what you like has played an important part in their survival strategy. Dunno what things are like in Ireland or the UK, but in the States Jewish leaders discourage intermarriage with Gentiles. The reason is that mixed marriages have a lower observance rate than Jewish-Jewish ones.

jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/US-Jews-debate-intermarriage-as-survey-shows-jump-in-mixed-unions-327735

That is noithign bad, althouhg in today's diversity-obsessed and multi-culti times some may regard that as xenophobic ( I don't). It's part of their overall recipe for survival.

History / History of European and Poland's anti-semitism [192]


Stonewalling or dismissing everything except your "one true explanation" is also making in an attmept to avoid open disucssion.Deynig the prev<aylence of Jewish supremacist and anti-Gentile attitudes do not repdxl,ain them nor make them go away. Presumaly a fairly educated person like yourself could not be so biased or monothematic. Jews and Cambodians, Poles and Bolivians and most everyone else cannot be reduced to a single common denominator. Hasn't anyone told you there is life beyond the hetero-homo divide!

News / Have PO (Platforma) operatives in Poland fallen into a panic? [332]

facebog.deon.pl/pawel-kukiz-o-kosciele
kukiz on the Church:
Evil is everywhere, also in the Church. But when I hear attacks on the Church may answer is: were it not for the Church we wouldn't be spekainbg Polish today. Evil is everyhwere and today it is being served up in such attractive form that we can easily confuse it with good.

History / History of European and Poland's anti-semitism [192]


Unlike your simplistic mono-reason, I tried who show mutliple motivation. Racial and religous animosity is another way of seeing fear of "the other".

Of course, jealousy is always the inferior being jealous of the superior.
You have apparently not interacted much with Jews, but in their own circles they are very anti-Goyist and that includes the non-observant, secular Jews. No, they don't imitate neo-fasict thugs and don't wave "Down with Gentiles" placards -- they are far more subtle. The gentile is not hired or bypassed for promotion. The unhired or unpromoted Goy may feel discriminated against, but thta has been part of their recipe for success. It has enabled a relatively small nation (15 mln at last count) to survive and thrive under the most adverse of conditions. Jews should be admired for the kind of in-group solidarity they idsplay, something I only wish Poles could muster. But Poles are too busy stabbing each other in the back.

History / History of European and Poland's anti-semitism [192]


But nothing in life "just happens" -- there is always a reason and usually multiple reasons for everything. One reason for anti-Semitism is widepsread anti-Goyism (including therein anti-Polonism aka Polanophobia) amongst Jews -- so that atttiude of racio-religious superiority ("chosen people" and all that) can trigger a backlash. There are other reasons: per capita over-representation in prestigious and lucrative fields of endeavour, jealousy, religious animosity, racism (dislike for hooked noses and big ears), being personally wronged by Jews (always a strong motivation) and probably mnay more.

News / Have PO (Platforma) operatives in Poland fallen into a panic? [332]


And yet not long ago government economists were worried about deflation -- excessive price drops. Did they do something to stop the deflation? Can anyone explain this in plain English?

News / Have PO (Platforma) operatives in Poland fallen into a panic? [332]


The elitist social "racism" and stereotyping of your ilk shows through at very turn of the way. The look-down-on-the-underprivileged approach is typical of most Platformer scum!

News / Have PO (Platforma) operatives in Poland fallen into a panic? [332]


Typically egoist-elitist "look-down-on-my-fellowman" approach. Everyone, even the supermarket cashiers who have to wear pampers because theey're not allowed to leave their post, have a right to spend Sunday with their families. The snooty elitist swine are only concerned about their own selfish convenience, as if they couldn't stock up on Saturday. That's the kind of people who vote for the hang-onto-the-trough-for-dear-life Platformers!

News / Dunkin Donuts to come to Poland [46]


Taco Bell didn't make it in Poland and had to pull out. Reckon Mexican food doesn't correspond to the Polish palate. Burger King pulled out then returned under new managemrent. Dunno how they're doinbg compared to McD. Other than Chłopskie Jadło, do you know of any indigenously Polish fast-food chains?