USA, Canada / US Polonia 70% for Kaczyński [343]


So you think U.S. Polonians should be disenfrancished because 80% of them voted for a party that you don't like. You should note that that party came in second-place in the elections with 30% of the vote and only a few thousand U.S. Polonians voted. Do you also propose that 30% of the Polish electorate be disenfranchised as well for making "uninformed choices". Where will you stop once you decide that Polish citizenship isn't enough to warrant one having the right to vote. In the country in which I reside similiar reasoning was behind methods once used in the Southern states to disenfranchise people.

USA, Canada / US Polonia 70% for Kaczyński [343]


Polonia pays taxes in the countries whose infrastructures they use. They are not selfish. The demands that Polonians pay the Polish government to exercise their right to vote as Polish citizens is stupid, as is the demand that they drop their careers in the countries in which they are living to go do volunteer work in Poland. Citizens of republics should have the right to vote regardless of where they live. The representatives elected by the Polish citizenry say how Polish tax revenue is spent and none of these representatives are elected solely by Polonians. People in Poland have the overwhelming say as to who is elected, but people in Poland, excepting some stingy English teachers and some ultra-partisan ideologues, are generous enough to know that the Polish nation comprises more than just those people living in Poland, and they trust their fellow Polish citizens abroad to make informed choices at the ballot box.

USA, Canada / US Polonia 70% for Kaczyński [343]

PWEI, I called one of my great-grandmothers Busia not my grandmother. If you are going to keep harping on this off-topic issue like a repetitive barking dog you should at least get the story straight. I am a Polish-American but I like most Polish-Americans do not have Polish citizenship. I suspect that the relatively few Polish-Americans that do have Polish citizenship call their grandmothes Babicia, unless they, or their parents, are from that region in Poland, pointed out by Ziemowit, that does use "Busia" to refer to their grandmothers.

I have been commenting on the issue here all along and I must say it is very funny to see how you PWEI and your croney Dopeyandomine pretend that I am not. The people reading this thread can see you for the liars that you are.

USA, Canada / US Polonia 70% for Kaczyński [343]

I help Poland on this forum by standing up to ignorant English teachers that would disenfranchise Polish citizens.

USA, Canada / US Polonia 70% for Kaczyński [343]

Polonians that are citizens of Poland accept the responsibilities that go with citizenship. If Poland wished to draft them they would go to war etc. This claim that they somehow reject Poland just because they live abroad is nonsense. If Poland calls them they will be there, and they send money back to their less affluent relatives in Poland as well. They are taxed by the governments of the countries in which they live. Surely you don't suggest that they should have to pay the Polish government too when they don't avail themselves of any of the Polish governments social services, nor do they contribute to the wear and tear of the Polish infrastructure. Citizens of Poland have the right to vote in Polish elections because voting is a right that comes with citizenship.

USA, Canada / US Polonia 70% for Kaczyński [343]


No it is not. People that are too poor to pay taxes should not be stripped of their rights as citizens. This sick shopkeeper's reasoning, that knows the price of everything and the value of nothing, would disenfranchise the poor, the monastic clergy, the unemployed and others that should have a voice in the governance of their country regardless of their incomes. Delphiandomine you do Scotland a diservice by perpetuating the stereotype of Scots as myopic ignorant pennypinchers.

USA, Canada / US Polonia 70% for Kaczyński [343]


You think that because you pay money to the Polish state that that gives you the moral right to advocate stripping Polish citizens of their right to vote. This is a dirty little shopkeeper's/prostitute's reasoning. Money paid does not make you moral authorites regarding what rights the citizens of Poland should have. You are not a Polish citizen so stop meddling.

USA, Canada / US Polonia 70% for Kaczyński [343]

One out of every four-hundred Polish-Americans voted in the Polish elections of 2007. That's a grand total of 27,000 votes. Polish-Americans have very little influence on the outcome of Polish elections. The people that are decrying the malevolant influence of Polish-Americans on Polish elections are making a mountain out of a molehill. The expatriate English teachers that are advocating stripping Polish citizens of their right to vote are meddling in Polish affairs. Mind your own business English teachers. The Polish and American electoral systems are superior to your restrictive British one. You have nothing to teach the Poles in this respect.

USA, Canada / US Polonia 70% for Kaczyński [343]

Hahahahaha, completely off-topic there PWEI. Polonia is laughing at you. You've been pwned trick!

USA, Canada / US Polonia 70% for Kaczyński [343]

PWEI, I have engaged in no personal abuse but rather made an accurate deduction from the fact that you, and others like you who aren't citizens of Poland, are advocating taking voting rights away from citizens of Poland because you are warped. You ostensibly claim that this is because being a Polish citizen isn't a "real" enough connection to Poland. The real reasons you are advocating this disenfranchisement is because Polonians in America mostly voted for a party you don't like, along with the resentment of Polish people you have in general.

27,000 people thats like a small town or village in Poland. Perhaps if you get your way and Polonia is disenfranchised you can then take the vote away from rural villages in Poland that don't vote the way you like too. Where will you stop when you decide that all Poles are equal but some Poles are more equal than others? I ask this question but I don't expect an answer as you never answered my previous question regarding what specifically were these "actions" that you claim American Polonia has committed which warrant taking away their rights as citizens of Poland.

Travel / Where would Poles (from Poland and abroad) migrate in case of rapid coming of new Ice age? [27]


Here is a thread about one:
The strange destiny of Antoni Aleksander Iliński

USA, Canada / US Polonia 70% for Kaczyński [343]


These "actions" what are they? Voting for a political party which lost the elections anyway? The vitriolic arguments these expatriates are putting forth in favor of disenfranchising polish citizens abroad are even weirder and more pathetic when one considers the fact that only 27,000 USA Polonians voted in the Polish elections in 2007 and it seems unlikely that number has drastically grown this time around. These expatriates are all riled up about a few thousand votes because they resent the fact that people can still be Polish and not live in Poland, whereas they live in Poland and can never be Polish. Of course they could take Polish citizenship and become Poles, like Scots, Tartars and others did down through the ages, but these expariates know that it would be a lie inside because their hearts which are too withered and shrunken by petty resentments to ever be truly Polish.

USA, Canada / US Polonia 70% for Kaczyński [343]


Because she is a citizen of Poland. Poland is country not a business run by stockholders.

USA, Canada / US Polonia 70% for Kaczyński [343]


I am seeing it right here on this thread. "You've got to pay to play" is a hookers motto. I on the otherhand do not believe Polish citizens should be disenfranchised because they travel. Citizens of the USA retain all their rights when they travel abroad as do Poles. Poland and the USA: two proud republics that should be immune from the faulty electoral advice of British ponces.

USA, Canada / US Polonia 70% for Kaczyński [343]

This belief that Polish citizens should have to pay money to the government of Poland to be allowed to vote in Polish elections comes from people who have a prostitute's mentality.

Life / Looking to immigrate to Europe. How is life in Poland? [116]


No I won't. I was pointing out what a backwards racist state South Africa once was.

USA, Canada / US Polonia 70% for Kaczyński [343]

Polish citizens that live abroad should not lose the right to vote in Polish elections. PWEI, your truncating my statement to make it say the opposite, and placing my name before it, in your post #61 above shows you to be an honorless edit .

Life / Looking to immigrate to Europe. How is life in Poland? [116]

I thought the OP was a South-African Indian as her name is so close to "Ananda" which means "beloved" in India, but she says she is white and Indians in South-Africa are, or were, considered niether black nor white but rather "coloured".

USA, Canada / US Polonia 70% for Kaczyński [343]

Isthatu, I am objecting specifically to the posters on this thread that are arguing that Poland should adopt the British practice of disenfranchising its citizens that live abroad. I do not deny that Britain is for the most part a representational democracy.

USA, Canada / US Polonia 70% for Kaczyński [343]

Teflcat, I feel sorry for you because you think you need to do more than exist as a citizen of your nation to be given the right to vote. What has made you take this servile attitude towards your own government? Poles and others with self respect know that governments exist because the people deign to let them exist. Someday soon we may even get rid of governments all together.

Genealogy / Why Polish aren't white?? [272]

Because they wear clothes which protect them from sunburn and natural selection is no longer operant on the human species anyway. "White" people became white because they needed to synthesie vitamin D from the more diffuse sunlight of northern latitudes and so they lost melanine over many generations. Those that didn't lose melanine had brittle bones due to lack of vitamin D and they died in greater numbers before they were able to reproduce. Since vitamin D can also be gotten from eating oily fish one sees that some human groups residing in the North didn't lose so much melanine, thus populations of perenial fishermen in Europe tend to be more swarthy and Eskimos kept dark complexions.

USA, Canada / US Polonia 70% for Kaczyński [343]


Hear! Hear! Poland is a republic and republics are governed by the representatives of the people chosen by citizens of that country regardless of where they currently find themselves residing on this green earth. The stupid British system that disenfranchises its own citizens is wrong. Sidliste Chodov, if you are really of Polish descent you should be ashamed of yourself for aping the anti-Polonian slurs of these backwards monarchist morons. British mindrot is a sad thing to behold.

USA, Canada / US Polonia 70% for Kaczyński [343]

PWEI, you have written an ungrammatical post full of baseless accusations about conspiracies against your little self and stupid claims that Poles who've emgrated have betrayed Poland. People that are citizens of Poland should be allowed to vote in Polish elections regardless of where they live. If the British lose the right to vote in their own elections for living abroad then that is bad for the British and the Poles should not emulate them. Poland and the USA are fellow republics that let our citizens vote regardless of where they live and Britain would do well to imitate us. Voting in elections is contributing. Governments exist due to the will of the people and the people shouldn't have to pass any tests devised by smarmy British expatriates as to their level of "contribution" before they are allowed participate in the selection of representatives. PWEI, you and your clique, may believe that you are "civilizing" Poland by teaching some English when it is actually Poland's republican example that should civilize you.

USA, Canada / US Polonia 70% for Kaczyński [343]


PWEI you ask me to be civil after you have written this idiotic screed I've quoted above. You are a hypocrite that believes your little clique of extpatriates should be above criticism.

The slogan my proud country rebelled for was "No taxation without representation". That you would invert this noble demand into a slogan stating that one must pay money to be able to participate in one's own national elections proves that Napoleon was not too far off of the mark when he called the British a nation of shopkeepers. Its all about coins for little people like you. You are too petty to have anything worthwhile to say about Polish affairs.

USA, Canada / US Polonia 70% for Kaczyński [343]

In 2007 a total of 27,000 Polish-Americans voted in the Polish national election. Thats only 1 out of every 400 Polish-Americans. The stupid expatriate jackasses on this thread would do well to watch what they say about American-Polonia based on the votes of a fraction of one percent of American-Polonians.

News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]

I don't understand the last billboard pictured above. How and why is an exhibition of Turner's seascapes associated with an electoral candidate and/or political party?

Law / Difference between an expat and a immigrant (or permanet resident) in Poland [41]

Both of the terms are from Latin. "Expatriate" is, or was, synonymous with the word "exile", but I suspect it is a word people from the English speaking world now prefer because it has become associated with the so called "lost generation" of cool artists that lived in and around Paris between the two world wars.

Law / Difference between an expat and a immigrant (or permanet resident) in Poland [41]

There is no difference save that immigrants plan on becoming a permanent residents of the country they've moved to. Expatriates needn't aspire to permanent residency. The thread above shows that the terms are invested with other connotations by snobby people.

Law / Difference between an expat and a immigrant (or permanet resident) in Poland [41]

An expatriate is anyone who leaves their home country to live in another country regardless of work.