History / Lwów, Wilno ... kresy - Poland have lost enormoust part of our heritage... [389]


Great to know :)


The Radziwill family was Polish??? Hahahah :))) You made my day.


They have not worse than the title nation. Use your country to improve the conditions for all people in Belarus and then Polish minority will benefit as well.

History / Lwów, Wilno ... kresy - Poland have lost enormoust part of our heritage... [389]


I can break your filthy ignorance if you want. You don't need a break, you need to sit down and read and don't be afraid of knowledge about other people and states.

Nation - for your general knowledge - is not exactly equal to independance. Was there a Polish nation in 1873, for example? According to you - not. Questions for you:

"Were there Belarusy as a nation in 1989 when the Soviet Union still existed?", "Was Belarus' as a state-republic represented in United Nations Organization since its creation in 1945 and one of 15 republics of the SU"? I hope you say "yes" as an answer because these are historical facts.

Here is some info on Belarusian language:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francysk_Skaryna

And this is not the earliest period when Belarusian language was recorded - check XII century religious works. And for them to exist there should have been population who already spoke the language.


I said it already - Belarusians are very hospitable people and these conclusions were drawn not even from a few encounters with them. "I heard that Belarusian government..." - what in hell are you talking about? Have you heard what Belarusians themselves (in their own country) go through in Lukashenko's regime? Their is no freedom of speech, people are scared to say things, everything is controlled by the state,... I am not talking about the government which as you might already know cannot be called legitimately elected for 20 years in a row, but about people. If a title nation is not living under decent democratic standards, what would you expect of some minority?

History / Lwów, Wilno ... kresy - Poland have lost enormoust part of our heritage... [389]

He is rather pushing your imagination :)

History / Lwów, Wilno ... kresy - Poland have lost enormoust part of our heritage... [389]


Well, there will be a reason to cry later that somebody kicked their asses out of there. It is a nagging need to be a "victim". Occupy - then cry and count years of occupation.


If you are a Polish - make hypothesis about your own country's existance - not others. Bielorusians are a nation like yours. I didn't know there are still Neanderthals living in Poland. Open a book or internet from time to time and learn something at least.


Exactly.


My parents used to travel across Bielorus' (it is not Bielorussia - note for those who cry over spelling in Lithuania) and they said that Bielorusians are the most hospitable people they have ever met. I am simply surprised how some people are ignorant and disrespectful towards not some nation far away on an unknown island, but to the neighbors which have never caused even a single war! But when it comes to Russians they are all upright, saluting and kissing a boot - rags and nothing more.

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If Soviets were in Poland in 1939-44, Poland would undoubtedly have military formations on German side - not out of love, but choosing to fight worse evil first before engaging German forces. But since only Germany was an occupying force in those years, it was clear for Poles whom to fight. But as was mentioned by BB, there was some Polnische Wehrmacht in 1944 - time when Soviets passed Polish-Ukrainian borders and were threat to Poland as such. In Ukraine it became clear after Declaration of independance on June 30, 1941 and following imprisonment or outright killing of the leaders who stood behind it by Germans - who are the enemies: both Soviets and Nazis.

News / New Polish Light Tank - Anders [74]


That's exactly why a "Flying tank" is what Poland needs. I think this was the reason it was invented - to avoid roads ;) That's why we have them too :)

News / New Polish Light Tank - Anders [74]

If these regions are marshy and mellowy than Leopards won't be able to maneuver properly, maybe, even to move. It is very nice piece of machinery, but it is 2 times as expensive as let say Ukrainian T-84 Oplot and 1.5 times as heavy. So, for the same price one can buy 2 tanks with better maneuverability, the same speed parameters and + airconditioning going down to-40C, which is nice when you drive it west of Oder on a hot summer day ;) In addition, Oplot has 26 power/weight ratio which is unsurpassed neither by German Leopard, nor by Russian T-90. So, if Poland, which has plenty of its own military production, still would be interested in purchasing new tanks - well, why not buy them from Ukraine instead of Germany at a significant financial advantage to itself. Saved money could be used on making Poland a powerhouse of EU or investing into radar system and aircrafts which are always a big deal in the modern warfare.


Who does that? They have enough spots to notice them anyway ;)

News / New Polish Light Tank - Anders [74]


A bit discouraging for a name of a plane ;) Tank - yes, but plane... Unless it flies over fields and spreads fertilizers :)

History / Polish president Mościcki and Hermann Göring hunting together in 1938 [76]


Well, I can offer now my middle finger if this is what you are asking for. I don't expect anything - I am just deliberating on possibilities, that's all.

News / New Polish Light Tank - Anders [74]


Well, Ukraine calls its T-84 series Flying tanks. Leopard may crawl and climb trees, but what about flying? ;)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-84

History / Polish president Mościcki and Hermann Göring hunting together in 1938 [76]


They were big shots because we had always retarded disagreements. Neither Germany, nor Russia would be a big factor (as they did) for either Poland or Ukraine if instead of wars we each concentrated our attention on the respective "shots" alone. Example, Poland cooperated with Russia to suppress multiple Ukrainian insurrections. In 1667 (Treaty of Andrusovo) Poland and Russia split Ukraine in half. By weakening Ukraine and introducing Russians to its doors, Poland was later surprised of being split the same way by Prussia, Austria and Russia. Imagine one thing: Poland deals with Prussians and Ukraine with Russians. One front, one enemy and secured back. But by letting wannabe imaginations work, the opportunity of firm establishment was lost. Unfortunately.


Exactly. If you see your wannabe status then, maybe, it is a great idea to form a healthy alliance with your quite non-agressive neighbors like Lithuania and Ukraine. I bet that multiple wars Poland led on the above-mentioned lands caused Polish non-important status and not being a "shot".


I bet that signing agreement with Germany about non-agression was of more importance to Poland than agreement of cooperation with Czechs and Lithuanians. And yes, it would have changed history. Czechs were ready to defend their territory and they had enough power to at least hold Germans for quite some time and bring them much damage. Poland could withold its demands on Czech lands and talk to Polish best friend - Hungary (I am not jealous :) - to let Slovaks live in their own country, under their own law. If Poland and Hungary could have done that, who know whether Hitler would have been so eager to invade Sudeten region.


Unfortunately, Pilsudski could do sh*t about it for so looooong - 20 years!!! Impressive.


Ok, I am happy for your non-pawn status in international politics of the XX century ;)
All I am saying is Poland was able to destroy and occupy the whole world three times - no problem, with one hand. Nobody should even doubt it. I don't. But a bit of mutual cooperation in the international relations would have been of quite some value, at least, to your humble neighbors, your Majesty Sokrates.

History / Polish president Mościcki and Hermann Göring hunting together in 1938 [76]


Poland could easily get the borders it has today at least on the eastern borders and know 100% that nobody will stab it in the back. Poland signed an agreement with Czechs in 1925, but for some reason went back on its word and attacked them in 1938. Why? Did they threaten Poland? What about Lithuanians? Did they threaten Polish state integrity? NO. In 1930s Germans were building tanks, military planes and fleet, sent their soldiers for practice with another "friendly" to Poles state - Russia and Poland somehow didn't do a bit about that obvious like bright day threat to its independance. It went on against those who were not a bit interested in Polish land.


It is actually bat'ko Machno :) Well, Petliura was flexible with allowing Poland to grab western parts of Ukraine (at least temporarily) in order to secure Pilsudski support against commis. But Central Rada and most of Ukraine considered such an agreement as a treason. If Poland didn't encroached into western Ukraine after on 11/01/1918 Ukrainians declared independance of the Western Ukrainian Peoples Republic (ZUNR) and simply signed an agreement to mutual military cooperation - it would have been much to Polish future advantage. Instead Poland decided to sell Petliura's ideas to commis just to get western Ukraine secured in its hands. Again you signed treaties of non-agression with Germany!, why didn't you do the same with Lithuania, Czechoslovakia or Ukraine if the latter threatened your country's integrity? You see - not smart. But Borrka, don't take it personally - this is just one aspect of the problem. Believe me that I see a lot of faulty decisions on the Ukrainian side too.

History / Polish president Mościcki and Hermann Göring hunting together in 1938 [76]

The question gumishu makes is WHAT makes a country, not exactly when or how long. It is not necessary to have been living there for ages, but, in his opinion, being a majority justifies the ultimatum and occupation of the lands. This is a typical explanation of a rightless agressor.

Borrka, you have to agree that Poland made huge mistakes in regards to its neighbors in the 1st half of the XX century and the history rolled out the way Poland made it to.

I don't use any double standards. I am actually correcting people using them. My point is: you may be majority in a region, but you are a part of the country no matter what. Yes, Poles were majority in certain regions of Lithuania, so??? You want to be with Poland? If yes: train one-way. But occupation of Lithuania on grounds of Polish majority there is wrong.

History / Polish president Mościcki and Hermann Göring hunting together in 1938 [76]


Gumishu, an ultimatum is not a way to normalize relationships even if you try to bribe that country's politicians which (if this is true) betrayed their country.


Northern parts of Poland were heavily populated by Germans. Poles were minority there. Moreover, these people were not willing to be part of Poland, but you decided it differently for them, right? So, why do you insist on calling Pomorze Polish then? You occupied their lands. Who cares if on these lands Poland dumped thousands of its immigrants for the last centuries or Polonized the autochtone populace? The land is theirs and the only thing which you could do to avoid conflict was to remain part of that country.

Imagine hypothetically a mass immigration of French into Poland and then claiming that territory a part of France. How would you feel? But Poland decided to use force instead of rational diplomacy.

What really bothers me is the fact that instead of making a good ally in Lithuanians, Poland p*ssed on such possibility. It did the same to Slovaks, Czechs, Ukrainians. You wouldn`t be alone at the bad times to follow if the politicians used more of their arrogant brains. Wouldn`t you agree that it would have changed many things on the continent? Agreement of mutual support you should have signed with your neighbors, e.g. Lithuanians, not the French. But again Poland decided to show its countryside to foreign spies (Hermann Göring) while kicking Lithuanians in the butt. How smart was that?

History / Polish president Mościcki and Hermann Göring hunting together in 1938 [76]


Yes, I know. I mentioned his position in my opening post, but since he was one of the highest command in the army and coordination of tanks and planes is usually discussed at the same time, I called the tanks "his" :)


It was just before. They, probably, were discussing the upcoming invasion of Czechoslovakia while hunting.


I've read and the ultimatum to Lithuania was outrageous. Poland took huge chunk of Lithuania and demanded its citizens to smile. I don't see how it wasn't "that bad".

History / Polish president Mościcki and Hermann Göring hunting together in 1938 [76]

Seems like you deeply suck in diplomacy, don't you? Maybe, Moscicki hunted his fantasies, but Göring was examining the places where his tanks will be a year later just a few weeks after the start of the war :) But there is nothing out of unusual - not only diplomacy that you seem to suck in ;)

Life / Any there treatment centers for unmarried in Poland? [36]


My pleasure :)


Are we? ;)


Why did you go there? Nobody asked you to "diversify" their society, right? Nobody needs an exotic Pole like you in France or England. Look what happened to Ireland after your "diversification". If you are so up to judge other people's moves, please, look into the mirror. You should have chained yourself in Poland and never left it for work in those countries where you undermined wages, imposed your accent and wasted somebody else's air. How is it?

There are issues with immigration like with anything else people deal with. But at least don't put yourself above others.


It is love in hatred, pgtx.

Life / Any there treatment centers for unmarried in Poland? [36]


It is unbareable, jonni. I am tired of seeing these unmarried straight pervs walking by with no rings on their fingers or not holding a hand of somebody else. It is as if they say "Yes, I am sick and incurable: I cannot be a rabbit. Ha, what would you do about that? I will put my cats into your face and you wil have to swallow it!"


Very nice question, smurf. Well, it is, probably, a gene we all carry but which switches on only in some portion of the society when cat population starts falling :)


I mean that not married are sick people who need to have an option of cure themselves from the disease. There should be centers where psychologists will make them realize how sick they are and how important it is to be reproducing. They have to be given a goal in life. Right now they don't bring any benefit to the society. We are created as sacks of sperm and oocytes, not to live this life alone, maybe, happily and shove this into married people's throats. It is disgusting.


You bet I am. I already started to phone my unmarried relatives and work with them, supporting them in these tough time when they need me the most. I am not going to cast them out of my life just because some of them might be terminally ill. But since this is Polish site, I decided to find out what Polish people do in the German province where you live.


Our civilization is spiraling down when we become homophobic bigots who try to transform our civilization into reproductive factory. I'd rather go extinct than live in the overpopulated world with homophobic rabbits.


I do worry. With gay and unmarried people around we are all going to die out. We need "Reproductive" revolution. Sex should be taught in schools since the 1st grade. Unmarried are demanding to teach our kids about some other goals we might have beside reproduction. We cannot allow them to do that.


:)


That's what my unmarried auntie told me, but this is plain denial, refusal to recognize illness. It is a passing stage - a little bit of work by psychologist and you will realize how sick you were and you will immediately go on the sex spree around the town. Lenka, we won't leave you like that. You live in solitude, depression and breed hatred to other peope's sex organs - it can be cured and you won't be left alone. I am really happy that you came out of the closet :)

History / The Greatest King of Poland? [117]


You seem to see the issue, but don't understand it: 40 + 30 = 70 and Poland 50 + 0 (possible allies). Simple math, indeed.


Well, you had a split in country as well with Confederation, which even further reduced your chances to win.


Well, he buried some blossom of Polish army in Ukraine, though, for fighting against someone who would have been a great opportunity for both Poland and Ukraine. Simply stupid.


It was a factor for Russians, right? It wasn't weak when Polish armies were losing battle after battle in Ukraine, correct? Arrogance, trust me, is the vice which openned Poland to the more intelligent in the militaristic perspective forces.


Oh they tried... But you don't pi*ss against the wind, do you?! Some Polish kings thought they could and ended up in yellow rain :)

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Stalemate with Russians is a loss, because they can live in stale, mate :] Others usually dwell in well-demarked conditions where you can foresee at least near future. Psychologically, it is their mode of life and while in the meantime you will try to think about some other aspects of the social life: business, culture, improvement etc., Russia will be concentratred on one thing only - to destroy you. So, being in 50-50 war with Russia is a definite loss. Many still don't see that. They may live with seliodka i agurec, the rest of the world doesn't. While you build a library, they will raise a tank factory. You have to win completely.

1648 was the year when Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth started to deteriorate. It lost multiple battles against Ukrainian Cossacks instead of working together for the benefit of both. I would, thus, name the least intelligent in international affairs Polish king - Jan II Vasa.


It was retarded policy of Poland that put a nail in her back, not a powerless king who could do nothing against szlachta. Poland did everything possible to undermine its relations with allies in Ukraine and Lithuania and it was simply a matter of time when it would fall.

History / The Greatest King of Poland? [117]


Great idea, Gruni.
As for Pilsudski - no matter what, he wasn't that bad of a guy. So, I rest my case.

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Nothing to be sorry about, Torq :) Great to see you jabbing again :)

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I do. These were tough times of disputes, armies and forces in Ukraine. No one was able to unite the national idea with a reasonable support. I do blame my country in missing on forming a better defense. Let me say this: Pilsudski who "supported" idea of Trojga N. appeared on the same postcard with Stalin and Hitler. It might suggest his legacy in Lithuania. He did for his own country, I don't argue. Others see him differently.

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Nobody expected from Pilsudski to CREATE Ukraine :) We had and have enough of our own people. He went back on his word, that's all I meant. If you know you can't keep it, why make it? He used Petliura in his own aims - to show the Soviets their place - and then said I am sorry. Well. I understand your feelings about him. He is a Polish hero and I don't expect to change your opinion. But I see it a bit differently. He knew that his words are not worth a thing in that question and he as a true politian did what he did.


We still keep it, BB. I might raised some storm in a glass of water, but it doesn't infringe on our agreement. I think we should expend it a bit more - to cover some other historical aspects in the international relationships.

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Yeh, I know. He happened to be a relative of our king. But he understood that his role is just to ensure familial enthronement and he made a wise choice by marching back as was of him expected.


Agree. Great point.


Poor Torq, what woke you up? I don't make claims on Polish lands a bit and you again try to impose on me your faulty interpretation. You seem to miss, though, your Polish Einsteins. But it is understandable. In Poland winds blow only in one direction.

"of what is now" expression is widely used because there was a lot of changes in the past century and things like "kresy" or "ziemie utracone" underlines it even further. Kholm was built by our king, but I am not saying that it should be given back. Keep it. I don't call these lands "kresy" or "utracone". In 1915 it was Austro-Hungarian empire and in 1940 part of Germany, so since multiple topics here are mentioning Kresy and similar BS, I don't see why I should not be using "of what is now Poland". Explain your steam, please. Where did I say about occupation? Torq, you are a grown-up, don't play in throwing up stuff like that. I believe it is below you. Regarding economy, it is not that bad, though, of course, isn't great. How it relates to the topic I have no idea, but, maybe, you see some connection :)


Because Poles have no computers at home? :]
Don't call them that, at least you people spend more time outside, in internet caves, sorry, cafes ;)

History / The Greatest King of Poland? [117]


I think that if you subtract 140,000 Polish military retirees dumped in Ukrainian Wolyn' region in 1930s and consider Operation Wisla's forceful deportation of around 250,000 Ukrainians living in what is now Eastern Poland + quite a significant number of Poles with Ukrainian roots in Peremyshel' and Kholm regions, you will realize that there is a great balance. Regarding Pilsudski and his ideas of Trojga Narodow and the way he betrayed both Lithuanians and Ukrainians seems enough to discount him as "viewer" of things. He was a liar and haven't kept his word.

Greatest King of Poland? I think the one living in 1018. He understood the Line where to stop to avoid bloodshed. It is so important to know one's limit.

History / The Greatest King of Poland? [117]


It is a very interesting map, Sandman. When I carefully examined the map, it looks like after almost a millenium of endless fights, disputes, tears, dead people, invasions, repulsions etc. that occurred on this piece of land, we ended up practically at what was set in 1018. Don't you think it is funny and ironic? ;) If this was recognized then as a border, it would have been so much more beneficial for both Ukraine and Poland. But the history played it differently. Cool anyway.

Genealogy / Huminsky last name - I would appreciate any info [9]


Thanks, Polonius3. It is really interesting. Would you know about any sort of a database where one can find info on people with that name? Thanks beforehand.