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enkidu   
19 Mar 2010
UK, Ireland / No job unless you're Polish [201]

It's illegal to work for less than the minimum wage, so Polish people who are exploited should report their employers immediately.

Seriously though do you know how much is average fine for the breach of the Employment Act in the UK? If I recall it correctly - about £500. And that's what I call a blind eye.

The Polish workers and other foreign workers will also benefit from this in the long run. In fact, every working person in Europe will eventually benefit from this. It's called solidarity. It's called fighting for your rights.

Obviously the Polish workers are quite happy the way it is. Shall they fight for the right of the British workers? Will British workers show them their support and appreciation?

Even if the United European Workers will win their battle - not everyone would be happy. The profits will go down, everything will slow down and the Chinese would pick up the ball at this moment. It's called bankruptcy.

If people refuse to let themselves be exploited, what do you think will happen to these employers if they don't start treating people fairly? Huh? Exactly, they will have to shut down their companies, and you can keep your doom-scenarios about outsourcing and the risk of companies moving elsewhere, because I'm 100% sure that this will leave space for more honest people to start a new company.

And these honest people would start a new companies that will loose competition to the continental ones (due to the higher employment costs). This plan could work well under condition that somebody would be able to complete isolate The Island from the outside world.

(Just struck me. Commies did the same thing. They isolate the entire eastern block)
enkidu   
19 Mar 2010
UK, Ireland / No job unless you're Polish [201]

We fought for our rights, and most of the foreign workers let these employers walk all over them, because they're already happy they earn something!

British employers in British factories break British law in order to make huge profit and pay a huge taxes into the British treasure. The British Employment Inspectors turn a blind eye on these violation because even they know that no ripp-off -> no huge profit -> no huge taxes -> no fun On the other hand - the British people who live on the benefit funded from the taxes are able to buy really cheap goods (like a beer in the price of water or used car for £500) thanks to this exploitation.

But you blame Polish workers who allow to be exploited. Hm....

I would like to hear your answer. Do you wish to pay taxes for benefit claims or do you wish to pay taxes for education and progression? (The latter will result in lesser benefit claims eventually, and a possibility of lower taxes for everyone.)

:)

Post 172 :)

Communists believe in a strong authority and limited freedom. I don't. I believe in strong individuals and freedom. I'm just wondering why some people can't keep it fair, and why they need all these lame excuses to keep other people smaller than them. Because that's exactly what a Communist would do.

Communist quickly realised that the only way to keep the people equal is the violence.
Social-liberals use taxation instead. Whole idea of socialism is to take money from the rich and give it to the poor. That is noble. Details are more complicated. For instance - there is no fun in being rich if you are hit by the 100% taxation. This is really other topic.

You create a situation and then you dont fully understand why you are treated the way you are being treated...

Well - as far as I understand it's a good think that they are angry? They may decide to kick back in the groins of the non-scrupulous employers, right?

BTW - I honestly can't remember a single occurrence when one of my Polish friend would moan about discrimination.
enkidu   
19 Mar 2010
UK, Ireland / No job unless you're Polish [201]

I employ 78 British people in my logistics comany, Pick the bones out of that, Goodnight. I employ 78 peope so pick the bones out of that too, why are Poles so angry and so anti British?

I have a deepest respect for you for supporting your own people.
I think - that how it shall be. I think it shouldn't be illegal. Really.
I also hope that there are others companies like your own. British-only companies who are happy to make a business with you just because yours is British. And I hope they are not tempted to switch to some other cheaper but foreign company for services. Such a network of British-run companies would be really something.

(disclaimer - no sarcasm meant. I really think that way.)
As for angry anti-British Poles. I am a proud supporter of UKIP, and over these years I developed kind of fondness for this country. Why do you think that Poles are angry? That's really interesting. (of course only if you wish to discuss it with me.)
enkidu   
19 Mar 2010
UK, Ireland / No job unless you're Polish [201]

Well, there have been cases where housing syndicates have suddenly leased out housing to firms to house Polish workers. It was done at the expense of locals who'd had their names down for a while and were due to move in. It resulted in anti-Polish feeling against the workers, even tho' it wasn't really their fault.

Urban myth not more.

Arien - I didn't skip anything. And I didn't mean to be arrogant. I wrote about your personal situation only because you started this topic. Please accept my apologies.

We are dancing around a certain topic but nobody want to be first to say it loud.
The topic is: "Get the bloody foreigners out of our country! The grass will be greener, good paid jobs emerge, streets will be safer, weather nicer an everything will be like in old good times was!"

I understand that.
But I am afraid - the next day the immigrant left this country - would be the same day when half of companies would go bankrupt or overseas. And there be no work fo no one. Don't ever wonder why is everything so cheap in the UK? Because somewhere in the ASDA-or-whatever distribution centre, or on the farm - some poor immigrant is just being ripped off.

The question is: would you be willing to pay 20% - 50% more for the British product made on The Island by British people only?

Obviously - I just can't say anything what is not sounds like a provocation.
I'll better shut up.

(one last thing - you ARE a commie. Nothing to be shame of. Really)
enkidu   
18 Mar 2010
UK, Ireland / No job unless you're Polish [201]

Also - the research shows that in any population 3-4% of people are unemployable for a various reasons. They simple don't get a job in any case. This makes your figure of 7.8% more like 3.8%

Some of this 3.8% wouldn't be interested in any form of education.
BTW - I don't believe in the myth that higher education is a way to combat an unemployment. Somebody has to clean the streets. You don't need to be graduate to do it.

And this number - 0845 6000 678. lol. Do you know what are the fines imposed on the unfair employers? This is a joke and smoke-screen.
Sorry I ignored the rest of your post - but this is pure propaganda.
enkidu   
18 Mar 2010
UK, Ireland / No job unless you're Polish [201]

but atleast my name ain't Scrooge..

No you are a very generous person indeed. At the some one else's expense.
And you still talking about ideas and dreams - this shall be this way, that shall be the other.

But the reality is harsh and simple. For every winer there has to be a hundred losers. Some people suggested you a certain solutions to your situation (like moving into the Germany etc). Try it. It always better to try. Even if it means fail sometimes - it will be you OWN fail. Don't sit and wait until the government will make your way broader and easier. Otherwise you are free to sit on your both hands awaiting the day that you dreams become true.

As for "parasites" and other related subjects, my philosophy is simple:
"Give someone some money for nothing and he will do exactly what he's been paid for. Nothing".

If the State cares too much for the people it deprive them of their free will. It reduces adult women and men to a child-like state.

I sympathize with your noble attitude.
But unfortunately I lived in the world where your ideas become reality. Someone take care of my education, my needs. I was told what to feel what to think. They care of everything. Somebody has decided for me what to wear, what to do and what is good for me. 8 hours of stable work everyday. Unemployment rate 0%. Holidays. Sick pay. Everything. All you have to do is to click in your hour-card every morning and avoid any independent thought at any cost. Like a cattle.

When I said that people who are living on the benefits need rather some despair and hunger instead of more comfort, I meant it. I know that the hunger is the great motivator (lesson learned in the hard way). I was in that situation. And I overcome it.

And I telling you this sense of freedom, self-respect, this feeling that I stay firmly on my own legs, owning nothing to no one - is magnificent.
enkidu   
18 Mar 2010
UK, Ireland / No job unless you're Polish [201]

No you don't. Some of the best people aren't working right now, mostly because of incompetent people who are willing to work for less, and willing to risk health and safety for a few coins, and in doing so, they're undermining our rights.

I suppose you are talking about you. Maybe you are more competent than the others, but obviously you lack something the other people got. They win. You loose.

As for the right - You have the right to remain free and to pursue the happiness. Pursue it then.

Why? Are you afraid of the competition? (Who also happens to speak and write English far better than yourself?)

No I am not afraid of competition. Especially from you. I don't want to be harsh on you, but you know - I am running my own business and you are unemployed.

Only 7.8% (Which are an awful lot of people!) of the total population are currently unemployed, which means 92.2% of the people can do something about that if they share the burden. (Which can't be much per capita!)

I am not saying if that a lot or not. I oppose the very idea that the hard working people shall pay for a better life of parasites.

Competition? I'm all ears! But ofcourse these people should pay the same rent for a house or an apartment as the English people have to pay, and then we'll see if they're still willing to work for half the price. Now *that's* competition.

People from Poland are usually renting a flats or houses on the free market. If you did heard some news about real estate agencies that offer a special price for the Polish - let me know please. I might be interested.

I've worked with Polish guys who claimed they were Electricians, but they couldn't understand any technical drawings.

At least this fake Polish electrician did took his chances. He tried and he failed. That's life. On the same time his British competitor has decided to watch East Enders for the whole day. :-)
enkidu   
18 Mar 2010
UK, Ireland / No job unless you're Polish [201]

hey dont moan, hahahahahahaha!

That's a solid argument. You think you win, I suppose?
enkidu   
18 Mar 2010
History / Which nation were the biggest pussies of WWII? [120]

I have got a deepest respect for the soldiers. A would never call a "pussy" somebody who did fought in the WW2.

As for countries and politicians?
I think that the biggest pussy of the WW2 is the country who did wait until everything was clear. An then they did made alliance with the winning side. That way they catch up for the last final moments of the war.

It's like somebody would become a great supporter of the winning team on the last few minutes of the match. Pussies.
enkidu   
18 Mar 2010
UK, Ireland / No job unless you're Polish [201]

Decent wages are what people pay to get decent employees. I support decent wages for decent work, because I want to get the best possible people to work for me. I don't support decent wages because they are mandated by law.

I do the same. I believe that the good work deserve a good money. To get a best possible people is a key to a success. But I strongly oppose to take a men from the street, invest my money in time in him, send him to some courses and pay him a "decent money" from the day he start his work. All of that in the vain hope that somewhere in the future this man would develop some sense of guilt and start to repay me. Dammit. I am not running a charity. No one will pity me if I go bankrupt.

I don't call you lazy. But obviously you are doing something in the wrong way. I personally know people who finished their university studies having nothing more than a pair of strong hands able to work. Really.

enkidu:
Especially if a decent life is founded by others - hard working people. More especially if the "decent" means (like in the UK) an own house, owning a car, holidays in Spain, plasma TV set etc.

You can't afford any of the above when you're on wellfare. (Maybe a cheap flat or an appartment.)

I really don't want to talk much about it, but I running my business in cooperation with the local Social Services (SS - for short), and believe me or not I have got an informations from the first hand - it is possible to live a good, calm life on the benefits. Sadly - most people who manage it are not British.

enkidu:
Its clearly visible in the UK. At first they pay a huge group of people just for sitting at home.

Because no one invests in these people. Most of them are forced to sit home, but you don't get it, do you? (Probably because you're reading those tabloids and magazines all the time!)

They invested in these people to get them houses. Then to give them money. Then to support their children. And now we have got a second or even third generation of people, who haven't got any "family tradition" of work. They are think they deserve everything and owe nothing. Now you say - we shall invest more in these people just to get them out of their homes and local pubs. What next? Shall somebody invest a little more money just to keep them breathing and fill up these complicated benefit-claim forms? (Wait! It's actually happening right now.)

No - they don't need more comfort or care. Actually I think that what they need is a solid dose of despair and maybe even hunger.

And I don't read these tabloids. Actually I am a Polish immigrant living in London.

No, they replaced your local working class, because most employers like the idea of having an endless supply of people they can pay less, and they're even happier when they don't have to promise anyone a contract or anything. (...)

And that's why you can buy cheap clothes, cars, food everything. Would you willing to pay more?

I'm sick of Poles and other UNWANTED immigrants whingeing, whining, bleating, yapping, moaning and complaining about working conditions in this country, I look after the people I employ, all you want to do is MOAN, MOAN, MOAN.

Carry on moaning, I'll just keep running my own business, my own way, I'm happy, my workforce is happy, my customers are happy and if you're not happy, well that's just too bad.

The first part of your post is really touching. It is really good to know that there still are some employers who treasure happiness of employees more than the profit. Of course you are aware of the fact that sooner or later you will be overrun by your heartless competition simply because they will be able to provide cheaper, faster and more efficient? That's called capitalism. This is a rule of competition. And on this sad day you will find yourself among with all of your former employees standing in the queue at the Jobcentre. Maybe they will offer you some "home baked cake" you can survive on?

As for moaning. Workers from the Eastern Europe doesn't moan. They haven't got a time for it. They overtake a job market. They learn, they develop. They going up to the ladder. Step by step. Day by day. And you can't do anything about it. All you can do is moaning. And you doing it pretty well. Carry on, please.
enkidu   
18 Mar 2010
UK, Ireland / No job unless you're Polish [201]

Really - "take money, give money" "decent wages" "social justice". You really talking like commies did.
Some people are just plain stupid and lazy. They don't deserve a "decent life" if they are not willing to fight for it. Especially if a decent life is founded by others - hard working people. More especially if the "decent" means (like in the UK) an own house, owning a car, holidays in Spain, plasma TV set etc.

Its clearly visible in the UK. At first they pay a huge group of people just for sitting at home. An then the newspapers wonders why these people are not interested in education or work.

Immigrants filled this gap in the job market.
enkidu   
18 Mar 2010
UK, Ireland / No job unless you're Polish [201]

I'll go one further, do away with cash benefits all together. People need housing, give them housing in special areas only for people that are on benefits. Give them food and baby supplies stamped "A gift from the xxx taxpayer". Setup training centers in those communities which allow people free training and education if they don't like that life.

More-or-less this is the Polish way, don't you think? Polish welfare system protect citizens from the death of starvation on the street. If the said citizen want some luxury (like car, holidays or self-esteem) he has to fight for it. There is no shame in being poor. The shame is to sit on hands and beg for mercy. In Poland - you can beg for 6 months (in some areas for 12). After that - you are on your own. I think it's fair.
enkidu   
18 Mar 2010
UK, Ireland / No job unless you're Polish [201]

Indeed you don't. I think that it should be five years of tax and NI before anyone can start claiming state benefits and that those that are too young to have paid in should have the record of their parents taken into consideration.

From what I understand, the current qualification for benefits is 12 months of tax and NI for foreign nationals from EU countries and that this is going to be reduced to just 3 months !!!!

I would go a step further. I think it would be fair and just that the state benefits shall be reserved for the citizens ONLY. What about the immigrants? Well - If they would work for the certain amount of time, support themselves, not causing any problems of the criminal nature, learn English, accept British tradition and contribute to the community - that's the kind of people who shall be granted the privilege of become the British subject.

Another solution (also fair one but little complicated) - That the benefits shall be granted on the rules of the country of origin. In case of Polish - 6 months of job-seekers allowance. And that's it.
enkidu   
18 Mar 2010
Life / Has anyone in Poland that you know been affected by H1N1? (swine flu) [44]

Although the viruses are really tough and hard to destroy (not to kill because from the biological point of view - they are not alive) bastards, most of them can't fly in the air. Instead they travel in the tiny droplets of water. I the temperatures belove zero these droplets are extremely rare, therefore the chances for viruses to propagate are highly restricted during the winter.

Answering the title question - I was affected by the swine flu. All this story made me laugh so hard that I've been a little dizzy for a moment. :)
enkidu   
17 Mar 2010
Real Estate / Do we need to get a UK solicitor or a Polish one? [19]

It will be quite a complex affair unfortunately due to the bureaucracy that exists in Poland.

Heh - all of these information are stored in the single file known as "Księga wieczysta" in the local council office (urząd gminy). All you have to do is request it and pay a reasonable sum for the answer (i don't remember exact amount right now - sorry, but it is rather close to the bill for the meal in the restaurant than to the price of a car).

That's all about the evil Polish bureaucracy.
enkidu   
17 Mar 2010
Real Estate / Do we need to get a UK solicitor or a Polish one? [19]

The owner of the property is the one who is listed in the record office. You shall apply for an transcript of "księga wieczysta" in order to know what is the current status.

Taking under consideration that your case will be decided under the Polish law - I strongly suggest to hire a Polish solicitor.

BTW - If that is a nice house in the countryside, I would be grateful if you contact me on PM
enkidu   
16 Mar 2010
Genealogy / Coat of arms LIS - Swietopelk-Zawadzki (Fox) family name and Bochenski family name [21]

The old ring he has, I used to hear about from different family members, but the plaque looks new to me.

Ahhh.. now I understand. My humble opinion is that is not important if that plaque is old or new. What is important is if you father did make it a symbol of something worth standing for. And if you are willing to continue it (whatever it is) - it's real.

Let's be honest. In the XII-or something century some lad draw a picture on his shield. At the beginning it was only a meaningless picture. A cross. An arrow. Circle. Anything. What he did after this point in time, what's he stands for - this is really important thing. Now its XXI century. I see no reason why somebody shouldn't draw a new symbol and make it stand for something. It's a hard job - of course. But i think it's worth it.

Of course - there are people who would say that only the "ancient roots" means something. Well... after all - we all are the final offspring of the very ancient families. Every man and woman can theoretically track his ancestry at least 40000 years in the past (or about 6000 if you don't believe in the Darwin theory). It doesn't really matter.

but you must admit....pretty impressive genes isnt it, perhaps you may be jealous :)Enkidu? i guess you dont have photos in your home of your family then.

I am sorry if I upset you in any way, Janet. It is not my place to decide of the arrangements of the furniture in your home.

And - no. I am not jealous. I don't believe in the genes and the magic of ancient glory. I am rather see it as a challenge. If one is born to the szlachta family he has a duty to prove with every day of his life that he is worth it. It's a heavy burden to bear. If he fail - he would reduce his own coat of arms to the mere, meaningless piece of furniture hanging above the fire place.

As I said before - it shall be in the one's heart.
enkidu   
16 Mar 2010
Genealogy / Coat of arms LIS - Swietopelk-Zawadzki (Fox) family name and Bochenski family name [21]

What's not important to you doesn't mean it is not important to others.

Thank you for your wisdom, you decided to share with us. It will be cherished as the greatest treasure.

That is lovely.
Look, when you need one, none of the history buffs are weighing in.

Sometimes I like to be pretend to be a stupid Eastern european. (that was a disclaimer) This time however I really didn't understand what did you say. Pretty please?
enkidu   
16 Mar 2010
Genealogy / Coat of arms LIS - Swietopelk-Zawadzki (Fox) family name and Bochenski family name [21]

You can always be an decent, honest man, who is willing to fight a lonely battle for what he thinks is right. And you can make your children to be proud of it, respect it and continue it. Comparing to this - the family coat of arms is just a tiny picture. Nothing more. Non important detail.
enkidu   
16 Mar 2010
Genealogy / Coat of arms LIS - Swietopelk-Zawadzki (Fox) family name and Bochenski family name [21]

(...)

Dear Janet. For the real Polish szlachta there there is no need to "looking for" their family crest. Or to put it as a plaque above the fire place. The family crest is the tradition, it's the continuity, it's a childhood stories about the ancestors you've been told long time ago it's a way of life, it's duty and the privilege. It has nothing to do with the quotations from the wikipedia based on the fact that your surname is listed under the great "Lis". The coat of arms is not an company logo. It shall be in your heart.

Sorry that I have to said that.
enkidu   
15 Mar 2010
UK, Ireland / Documentary on foreign and local workers in a town in England. [66]

I've just have had a passing thought. The funny one. You are all talking like commies did. Really. I know what I am talking about.

Capitalism stands for competition and profit.
Communism stands for justice and equality.
(no insult meant)
enkidu   
15 Mar 2010
UK, Ireland / Documentary on foreign and local workers in a town in England. [66]

enkidu:"Education" means "western-style education" only. It is not the only one that existed.

First from the top: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dars-i_Nizami

But we don't need to look so far away. Polish graduate from a 5-year Technikum is not considered a graduate in the UK, simply because this kind of education doesn't fit into the Anglo-American education system.

In the whole former Eastern-Block there are a lot of peoples who did spent considerable amount of years learning, who are not considered as "graduates" simply because their schools names were too exotic for the western likes. :)
enkidu   
15 Mar 2010
UK, Ireland / Documentary on foreign and local workers in a town in England. [66]

Again, what are you talking about?
I do not understand you, please clarify.

I think in this statistics:
"82 would be able to read and write; 18 would not

1 would have a college education
1 would own a computer "

"Education" means "western-style education" only. It is not the only one that existed.
It like the Chinese would make the statistics which shows that majority of the world population don't use any cutlery, because the only valid utensils are these Chinese sticks.
enkidu   
15 Mar 2010
UK, Ireland / Documentary on foreign and local workers in a town in England. [66]

It is what most people in the world do not have and we do.

We have got an European-Style education. We think this is the only that matter. We don't consider other forms of education as a valid ones.

Of course - this works in both ways. I am sure that there are a lot of people on the World (lets say in the madras or convents schools) that consider our system of education as worthless an our graduates as an uneducated ignorants.
enkidu   
15 Mar 2010
UK, Ireland / Documentary on foreign and local workers in a town in England. [66]

You don't know what you're talking about.

Arien come down, please. You misunderstood me.
What I meant is that this show was staged with the hidden agenda to show British job-seekers as a lazy, worthless scum.
I really don't understand why the BBC did it?

For instance:

ake that last guy for example. 26 years old, barely had any work in the last five years, says he wants to work and give it his all regardless of what job he has to do, but he doesn't seem to stand a chance anywhere.

As I remember (we talking about this Emo - guy ?) he actually told that he doesn't feel much pressure to find a job. And he wont accept any job just because he is unemployed. He is waiting for something special.

I am sure that he was provoked to say this by the BBC team.
enkidu   
15 Mar 2010
UK, Ireland / Documentary on foreign and local workers in a town in England. [66]

Although I find this show interesting, I think that it was set-up.
They claim that from hundreds of applicants they find the "most promising". But these people were bunch of loony losers underclass. I don't believe they represent an average British job-seeker.

I guarantee that in the average Polish town, you can find such a people as well. (If you look hard enough to find them)
Or this story when a guy on his first day work as a waiter has found himself as the only waiter in the whole restaurant. Staged - I'd say.

But funny.
enkidu   
15 Mar 2010
Life / Why do majority of Polish are afraid to admit their nationality? [28]

I’m not afraid to be honest. I’m a “secure” Polish person. Guys, you're missing the point. I'm Polish myself. I do speak the language. I know for a fact that this is occurring I just wanted to know what other intelligent people have to say about it.

The statement in your profile:
"Znasz j. polski?: yes, somewhat" suggest that you rather learn Polish language, or in the process of learning than that you are a native Polish speaker. So, Havok - why DO YOU are afraid to clearly admit that you are a Polish? Heh?
enkidu   
15 Mar 2010
UK, Ireland / The Daily Mail - coverage of the Polish people [161]

Statutes, court judgments, treaties, lists of parliamentary constitutional conventions and the royal prerogatives. The British constitution is uncodified, not unwritten.

Constitution is above all acts. It's a source of law. Court judgments for instance are rather low-level act.
United Kingdom doesn't fit very much in the definition of constitutional monarchy or monarchy or even democracy. This country has found it's own unique way of govern.

And this is one of the factors that makes the UK such a fascinating country! :)