History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]


You can say the same about every political figure at the time who was capable of reading. The difference with Churchill was that he was a self promoting dreamer.

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

There is an ignorance of history or rather a rewriting of history through the 20 20 vision of hindsight. Churchill is a good example.

Churchill was a deluded self publicist his idea of a grand alliance to confront Germany was nonsense, the US could barely feed its self in the 30s and was isolationist, he had tried to strangle the Soviet Union at birth plus bringing them into his proposed alliance would have meant Poland accepting Soviet troops into the country which was always unlikely. So his alliance would have depended upon the European nations who had failed miserably to unite over reparations and the Ruhr occupation.

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

Sometimes I wonder why they bothered having that war when you could have done it all on the back of an envelope

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]


Yet you still claim to be British!!!!!

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]


Of course they were friends and allies of both Britain and the US to deny that is to falsify history.

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

Yeah The western allies knew that as well so why did they send POWs and others back to the Soviet Union to be murdered?

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]


What I said is based on sound historical knowledge.

UK, Ireland / Benefit cuts for Poles in The UK? [143]


I still go with chav is a "deniable term" for the working class because people are called chavs for no other reason than their appearance (We don’t use the term chav here its spide, in Scotland ned and in Poland dresiarz).

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]


No Communists shot you in the back of the head.

The Soviets stuck to their agreements, contrary to agreements Churchill wanted to attack the Soviets, no matter how you dress it up, that is treachery.

UK, Ireland / Benefit cuts for Poles in The UK? [143]


The definition seems to change depending on circumstances and context chav is a "deniable term" for the working class.


I don’t believe that health care should be dependent on ability to pay I don’t care who it is that needs it. Clearly Britain cannot treat the entire world, this however is a non issue for political not financial reasons

Your own link said that


I think it would be better if Cameron stuck to election pledges rather than bring up a non issue to appease British nationalists. By election pledges I'm referring to the 250 Billion he has pledged to give as benefit to industry much of it non British. Now who is being ripped off by whom?

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]


Yes, plus they were incredibly battle hardened.

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The suggestion (by Dreadnaught here) is that the Soviets needed to be stopped I'm saying they stopped themselves. They were flexible enough to allow the US, French and British into Berlin as agreed. They did withdraw from Austria and stopped meddling in the Balkans.

Of course they occupied huge areas of the East not just Poland it was 1945 not 1920/1 when they needed to keep going to have their urban proles.

UK, Ireland / Benefit cuts for Poles in The UK? [143]


Poor/unemployed/working class people stopped you from seeing a consultant? Was the waiting list prioritised, any non chavs ahead of you on the list?

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]


This old chestnut yet again....There is no way a battle hardened soviet army would have been defeated by the relatively inexperienced US and her allies. The Soviets had better equipment (and more of it), better medical care and 30-40 million troops. The US had only a few nuclear weapons and no real means of delivery, their nuclear aggression could have only have carried them so far.

Churchill and the British may have wanted to stab their communist friends in the back but calmer heads prevailed.

The soviets did demonstrate a degree of flexibility in stopping when they did and giving up a large part of Berlin and their withdrawal from Austria.

UK, Ireland / Benefit cuts for Poles in The UK? [143]


From your link in the OP:


independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/pm-targets-benefits-for-eu-nationals-8494030.html

UK, Ireland / Benefit cuts for Poles in The UK? [143]


I'm not attacking anything except a rather conceited view of society where people are pretending to be something they are not.

The hypocrisy of someone criticising an entire class as alcoholic cultureless and scrounging yet ignoring the alcoholic, scrounging and typically middle brow (apologies to Orwell) self is astounding. Someone delibertly ignoring the glaringly obvious hypocrisy to make some bicthy non point is equally astounding.

The point is that everyone benefits from society but not everyone wants to pay for it. The benefits paid to the middle classes far outweigh those paid to the others.

The idea of a working wage is good economics, why you would oppose it is beyond economic sense.

There is no inverse snobbery or any other tory cliche you care to throw, there is just the hypocrisy of the judgemental self described "classy" posters.


That’s why a working wage is a good idea socially and economically. Companies that pay a working wage are always more likely to prosper because they have a progressive management and a loyal motivated workforce. Its simple economics.

UK, Ireland / Benefit cuts for Poles in The UK? [143]


There is not really any big problem with EU migrants, they don’t cost the taxpayer a huge amount compared to farmers, the rail industry, the nuclear industry and a plethora of other state spongers.

Government subsidised industry/commerce really have no excuse not to pay a living wage.

The Urban elite don’t pay living wages to the people who service them instead prefer to have the state pay thus dodging their responsibility and getting all the benefits.

The "Chav" class you poorly and pathetically lampoon as cultureless alcoholics are what keeps the wheels on society not some bean counter who enjoys state sponsored opera and has the big wine glass at home.

UK, Ireland / Benefit cuts for Poles in The UK? [143]


What a sad little rant, the fact is that the rich live off the efforts of the poor.

The industries that pay no or very little tax sponge off the rest in society they use the transport infrastructure paid for by taxation, they pay minimum wage that has to be subsidised by the tax payer. When they get into trouble they are always bailed out by the tax payer their mantra is always privatise profit nationalise debt.

It’s the rich who see something wrong in paying a living wage yet whine about bottom feeders while the government subsidise their enterprises through benefit.


If you want a total re negotiation of the relevant EU treaties that’s fine just go home until the negotiations are complete.

I get sick in my stomach when the "classy elite" start whinging about bottom feeders and how many ivory back scratchers its costing them compared with the billions spent on pointless things like trident, banksters, rail franchises, CAP, pointless wars that only benefit industry and a whole host of other benefits for the boys.

UK, Ireland / Benefit cuts for Poles in The UK? [143]


That is nonsense just like your claim about France.

UK, Ireland / Benefit cuts for Poles in The UK? [143]


That is not true any EU national going to live in Spain is treated exactly the same as a Spanish national.

National govs cannot unilaterally change the regulations for EU nationals without the changes also applying to state nationals.

What is so difficult to understand?

UK, Ireland / Benefit cuts for Poles in The UK? [143]


As much as Cameron would like to privatise the NHS he can only do what the previous labour gov did and start a limited creeping privatisation.

There is no way the British public would accept the scrapping of the single best invention in the developed world. It is political suicide and the Polish cannot be denied access to it.

Cameron’s speech is more of a sop to the little Englanders than a serious attempt or proposal to deny EU nationals equal access to services.

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As IS said that is wrong

UK, Ireland / Benefit cuts for Poles in The UK? [143]


Its simple, the local social security regulations (in each EU country) have to be offered to all other resident EU nationals.

News / Poland is the source of horsemeat in burgers? [169]

Statements from the FSA and Ministers in Britain and Ireland.

After the discovery of Horse DNA in mid January Irish Police started an investigation, the Police in Britain were not called upon to investigate by anyone until recently as results from the Irish investigation were made public.

There is now a clamour to "get" the people responsible with ministers making statements to that effect. At the beginning there were calls for calm and false reassurances from ministers, the story was seen as a labelling issue and someone else's problem.

UK, Ireland / Benefit cuts for Poles in The UK? [143]


As you live in Poland you have full rights to the Polish welfare system just as Polish people living in the UK have full access to Britain’s.

I think that is fair, Cameron cant discriminate against other EU nationals all he can do is reform the welfare system. If he limits universal benefits for Poles he has to do the same for British Nationals.

News / Poland is the source of horsemeat in burgers? [169]


Nothing was traced in the meaning of the scheme Jon, it was discovered as part of police investigation that the UK were reluctant to have.

The presence of meat unfit for human consumption being slaughtered and exported from the UK indicated that the traceability scheme is indeed nonsense. The delays in reporting the negative results cannot be explained, Downing street over ruling ministerial advice didn’t happen either I suppose?

Defra never tested for meat type until they were warned to do so by the Irish. They only tested for bacterial contamination and banned vet products.

What is daft is taking a blind stance because of nationality

UK, Ireland / Benefit cuts for Poles in The UK? [143]

I believe that all EU countries have to allow access to benefits to all other EU nationals so it’s either scrap welfare, which I believe he wants to do, or leave the EU.

UK, Ireland / Benefit cuts for Poles in The UK? [143]


I thought the Thatcher revolution saved Britain? Those policies are a direct result of people voting in a Tory government.


There is not much Cameron and co can do unless they want to leave the EU or totally dismantle the welfare state.

News / Poland is the source of horsemeat in burgers? [169]

There are two things going on contaminated meat, meat that should never have entered the food chain and meat passed off as something else. Both of these things were supposed to be impossible with the farm traceability scheme which was introduced because of the BSE crisis brought about by lax UK food practices.

Patterson and other ministers have assured the public that the product is safe just not cow that is wrong.


It’s perfectly clear that the traceability scheme is a nonsense, UK food testing in this area was practically non existent before they were warned by others.

News / Poland is the source of horsemeat in burgers? [169]

What has been covered up and is now exposed is the fallibility of the much lauded farm traceability scheme set up in the wake of the BSE scandal.

Multi layered trading in food stuffs makes it possible to hide from open and honest inspection. It’s difficult to discover who owns large consignments of meat or trace it back to the point of origin let alone be confident in what animal the flesh came from.

Ministers are not being honest retailers are not being honest (Several knew of the horse adulteration weeks before going public) the meat industry certainly isnt being honest. When the Irish authorities uncovered this practice they asked the UK to start a criminal/Police investigation, an investigation only started after the Irish provided proof of wrong doing the foot dragging and failings in UK food safety practices have been exposed.

News / Poland is the source of horsemeat in burgers? [169]


Slaughterhouse and meat firm raided

News / Poland is the source of horsemeat in burgers? [169]


I've ruminated on this for a bit and have come to the conclusion that as soon as you put a human in charge of anything they will let you down.