Life / Christmas carol singers - is this a Polish Christmas tradition? [13]


Yes, it's a very old tradition going back to Slavic pagan times: There are even caroling contests, apparently:

News / British teacher stabbed in Poland [116]


Just to clarify: I mean I don't think it was jon357's intention.


Jon357, I meant Polish newspapers :)) There would be articles in Polish media about a second attack if those were two different incidents.


lol OK ;)


Not really, jon357...

News / British teacher stabbed in Poland [116]


Well, I understand, but it doesn't seem to be the case (or at least I hope it wasn't).

News / British teacher stabbed in Poland [116]


*sigh*

No, I don't.
My guess is that those who were stabbed weren't even carrying knives in the first place.
But it will be arbitrated by the court that will probably know more than we do, so don't worry.


So you're not wearing Santa Claus hats or sth? :) ;)


I think it's quite possible they are about the same incident.
If they weren't then there would be articles about the one described in the YEP too.
Are there?


I think you're reading too much into it. It's an expat forum, it's natural they're interested in what happens to their own people.

News / British teacher stabbed in Poland [116]


Well, of course I've attended a company's Christmas supper before, but it can't be really called a party, it's more like a Christmas Eve supper and it doesn't take place at someone's flat, but is organised by the company in some hotel and usually not in the middle of December.

Was your seasonal party organised at someone's flat? I'm curious who organised it - Poles or the British/Americans?

And what's the difference between a seasonal party and an ordinary party? Don't hit me, I'm curious ;)

(And don't worry, jon357, I'm not trying to justify the attack or sth :))


Noone will interpret it in the way that being loud was somehow a provocation and that it somehow justified the attack with the use of knives.

News / British teacher stabbed in Poland [116]


Um... I'm not writing about any provocation o_O


Jon357, I am not aware of anything called "seasonal parties" in Poland. If someone is throwing a party on, let's say, the 15th of December, then it's just a party, not a "Christmas party" or a "seasonal party". Christmas time in Poland is from 24 to 26 of December and that's it.


True, but if they do, then I think calling it a "Christmas party" is probably a bit too much ;)

News / British teacher stabbed in Poland [116]


I've read the article and all it says is "stabbed at a Christmas party".


?

Well, it doesn't say anything about "a work Christmas party". All it says is "a flat party" (in the Yorkshire Evening Post).

Polish articles were published on the 16th so the attack probably took place on the 15th or earlier.
Also, the Polish articles don't even say anything about "a party". They only say about 5 men drinking and being loud on a staircase.

At first, when I read about that "Christmas party" in the Yorkshire Evening Post I thought it's some kind of a British tradition (is it?). That's why I got curious about the dates.


Well, they call people from Kraków "centusie", and? lol
Liroy popularised this name with his rap song in the 90's :)
But, as I wrote, it's not the 90's anymore, sorry :))

News / British teacher stabbed in Poland [116]


OK.


Well, being loud and obnoxious doesn't usually end with someone getting stabbed unless you're in some really bad neighbourhood. And yes, Warsaw's Praga would be such neighbourhood, I guess, from what I've heard.


What do you mean? About where I'm from? Yeah, I'm pretty sure about that lol

News / British teacher stabbed in Poland [116]


I don't understand what you're saying. What do you mean by "nothing looks like have been described in that newspapers"?


Yes, I am sure and it's not the 90's anymore :)


So what's so strange about it? What do you think happened? There were in fact three men with knives? Four men? You know that four men were arrested?

We don't know who started it, of course, and how. My impression is that the men with knives were looking for trouble, not those that were stabbed.

Whether it was somehow provoked or not, the fact is that one man is dead, one is in critical condition and two other were hurt. So those two (or more) men with knives must have been very "efficient".

News / British teacher stabbed in Poland [116]


Ironside, normal people don't walk with knives in Poland and don't stab people. Do you understand?
If someone is being too loud, normal people call the police. One side got stabbed, the other didn't apparently.
For me it's really no rocket science.


I didn't write it was only about mafia. And you think the mafia doesn't affect normal people? What about the racket?

News / British teacher stabbed in Poland [116]



Ironside, what on Earth are you talking about? The facts are that four men were stabbed and apparently the attackers were unharmed.
If there are five men, but on the other side there are two men with knives then what are the odds?
The fact that someone is a teacher doesn't make him an angel automatically, we also don't know who were the other men attacked, but I don't think you're being objective.

We don't know what happened. The court will decide.


I doubt that, tbh. I've lived through the 90's and it was worse back then. News about the mafia on regular basis, cars exploding, murders, etc.

Things get worse during a crisis, that's all there is to it, I think.

News / British teacher stabbed in Poland [116]


Well, I guess you're right, but, again, for me too many facts are the same.


I don't think so, Harry, there have been more child killings by parents too. Everyone I talked to about it noticed it too. And after a while the media noticed it too and made a material about it on the news. One could think that it's because of the famous case of Katarzyna Waśniewska who killed her daughter, Magda, but somehow I don't think so - child killings were reported before, some cases were famous too. And those stabbings... The football hools' violence... I think it's because of the economic crisis. Something was bound to happen eventually.

News / British teacher stabbed in Poland [116]


What's so strange about it? No names are mentioned in the articles, as far as I've noticed.


No, they aren't about five victims. Articles posted by ShortHairThug say that five people were partying.
Four were stabbed, one of them died, one is in a critical condition.
So it's like in the article in The Yorkshire Evening Post: "He was one of four colleagues who were knifed". And "One man, a Polish friend of 40-year-old Mr Johnson, died". Also, about the British guy: "David Johnson said it was "touch and go" whether he would survive." And there's this: "One person managed to get away" - I guess it was the fifth guy that wasn't knifed.

So it seems all of the above fits.


Could be, but too many facts are the same in my opinion, tbh.
First the complaints about the noise, then the attackers come back and stab them.
Four men knifed, one of them dies, one is in a critical condition.
The things that don't match is bursting into a flat and that, according to the YEP article, three men were arrested and according to Polish articles four men were arrested, two of them suspected to be the attackers. Maybe simply the YEP didn't get everything right, it happens.



The article in the YEP doesn't say that the party took place at the British guy's house or flat.
Warszawski wrote on the previous page of this thread "Sounds like the English guy was attending a party and it was his colleagues flat."

And you've agreed with him, jon357: "This is exactly how it looks. I doubt he had a flat in the middle of a forest."

All in all, I may be wrong, of course, but it looks to me that it's the same event.


Not really.
It's not hard to believe at all. There was a very publicised case some time ago when some thug started harassing a student girl, I think, and her boyfriend told him to stop it and the thug stabbed him to death in broad daylight, if I remember correctly. There was a march against violence after that in the city, I think. I don't remember where it was, Poznań maybe? There are deranged thugs that can kill you for no reason. And I've noticed there have been more kife attacks in Poland since some time then there used to be.

Love / Why are Polish girls so confusing? [30]


You're welcome :)


Let's assume more women are also likely to get involved in one-night stands in other countries than in Poland. Would you then call not getting involved in one-night stands "a custom" in Poland? ;)


I don't care if you consider this right or wrong, I'm just saying it isn't sth that can be called a custom in my opinion :) I don't even know whether majority of girls in Poland don't kiss on the first date. Things could change since you left Poland (that was years ago, right?)

Anyway, Ironside, whatever ;) You consider it a custom, I don't. It's a non-issue for me, I'm not sure why we're even discussing it... lol

But now I'm curious - is it really so common to kiss on a first date in other countries? Gentlemen? Ladies? What's your experiences? :)

Love / Why are Polish girls so confusing? [30]

Ironside, thank you for the definition, but I still don't see it as a custom (zwyczaj). I've never heard anyone saying: "Oh, I never kiss on the first date, people don't do this around here." lol There's no fixed rule that people don't kiss on a first date, but for sure they will kiss on the second or sth xD

Giving flowers to a woman, opening the door for her - that's what I'd call a custom.
I've noticed in the American films that there's this "third date rule" in the US (third date means sex) but there's no such thing in Poland and even that "third date rule" isn't really considered "a custom" in the US, is it?

Love / Why are Polish girls so confusing? [30]


Well, I wouldn't call it "a custom", it's not like it's some fixed rule or sth. But I don't know that much about dating outside Poland, so maybe you know better than me :)


Ah, I forgot that she said she had a bf. Did her friends confirm that she really wasn't single? I'm confused by this part...

Love / Why are Polish girls so confusing? [30]


What if it does? :) Sankarin is looking for advice and I'm trying to help.
It isn't important what you think matters or doesn't matter, it's important what mattered for those girls sankarin wanted to kiss.
He wanted to kiss them, not to kiss you xD
So I'm giving my perspective on the issue as I'm both a woman and a Polish woman lol ;)


It's not about some custom. Some girls/women need time. I think women in general usually need more time than men. Think of dating as a foreplay. Men don't need foreplay, but it's often a must for women.

Furthermore, girls/women who are looking for a relationship may be put off by a guy who's moving too fast in the physical direction, because they may see it as a sign of him wanting only sex.

Also, women who are looking for a relationship don't want be seen as "easy", because men (at least in Poland) usually don't consider such women as gf material.

Of course, there are women who will have no problem with kissing on a first date or even having sex on a first date or one-night stands but then sankarin should look for such women.


xD
If it's a first date then I agreed to this date to get to know the guy! lol It doesn't necessarily mean I'll kiss him. Sure, if the guy is really handsome or hot and charming and interesting and altogether irresistible then the woman may just throw herself at him lol

It all depends, really, probably on quite a few factors. It's not a simple mathematical equation that you can apply to every case, to every woman :P


Because the woman may not feel like kissing just yet? Because she needs more time?
Damn, I feel like I'm talking to people from a different planet right now, you know? ;D What the hell...


OK, sankarin, but you don't know what they were looking for and I don't know that either.
I'm just telling you what impression I got from your attitude shown in your first post.


Um... Hanging out with your male friends isn't cheating yet, so what do you mean by hanging out?
Sometimes beautiful women complain they have problems with making friends among women and so they have male friends mainly.
If that wasn't the case and she was cheating on her bf, then what did you want from her? Sex?
If she was cheating on her bf it was very likely she was a player, so what did you expect from her? That she won't play with you? lol


OK, that's young indeed ;)
I suspect the girls you were after were your age or younger.
I think it may be often the case girls/women at that age aren't terribly mature yet and they don't always know what they want.

Some girls from Poland may also come from traditional regions in Poland and sometimes maybe it's good to take this into account. What I mean is that some girls at your age may still be virgins (which is apparently very unusual in the West). Let's take my example - I'm a rather religious person living in a conservative region of Poland and it took me three years of knowing a guy and then being his gf for almost a year before... you know... :)


OK, but some girls/women need time to warm up to a man. To get to know him better, to feel more comfortable around him and comfortable enough to kiss with him. That's like... basic, obvious stuff... for me, at least, apparently o_O


Another one bites the dust... lol


That would be my guess.


Then don't date Polish girls xD


Sankarin, she may see you as a playboy going after many girls at a time. So on one side she may find you attractive, but on other maybe she thinks you're a player or sth.

Or maybe, as I wrote, she needed time. The fact that she didn't kiss you, doesn't mean she didn't like you. Maybe she wanted you to ask her on another date and not hit on other girls at the same time. This is called "courtship" ;)

I honestly don't know, I don't have a crystal ball at my disposal and I don't have all the answers. Maybe she's just weird, or maybe she's shy or God knows what lol Girls have their issues too, you know :)

Did you have any particular interest in this girl, or did you date her only because her friends told you she was into you? If you were interested in her then you should've tried to talk to her and ask her about it. Or simply you should've ask her out again for a second date. Because I guess you didn't?


Indeed, it sounds weird coming from a Brazilian lol


I think it's pretty much a universal characteristic of people in general :)

Besides that, I agree with everything what Englishman wrote. That's a grown up, mature man. Watch and learn, sankarin ;)


Exactly, that's what dating and talking is for, among others.

Love / Why are Polish girls so confusing? [30]


Well, sankarin, someone who writes sth like this "To get a kiss out of themI had to spoil and speak a lot until they felt confident enough and went for it." doesn't strike me as someone looking for a relationship.


I understood what you meant lol
How old are you?
At which date were you trying to kiss them first?


I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend you as a Latin guy, my posts weren't written in a very serious manner, if you haven't noticed :)

It's just there are some stereotypes about Italian men among Polish women (both positive an negative) and I was thinking that maybe Brazilian men are similar in some ways to Italian men. And let's be honest, most men are horny, no matter what nationality :P xD


Well, let's assume you're not a troll or a sex tourist...
What I've often read and heard is that Polish girls are nice.
When they go on a date and they realise they aren't attracted to the guy it is likely they won't make him feel this. They'll try to end this in a nice and most humane way possible in order not to hurt the feelings of the boy or guy in question.

If you approach them and they aren't interested they apparently aren't likely to tell you "f**k off", but they'll say sth like "I have a bf" or "I'll be going soon, sorry", "I'm with my friends", etc. Or they really have a bf, or they're going soon, etc. of course.

I imagine some girls need an ego boost from time to time, I honestly don't know.
I can tell you that I am one of those stereotypical nice Polish women lol It even happened that I agreed to kissing a man although I didn't feel attracted to him, just to not hurt his feelings. So such things happen.


Either she wasn't interested in a romantic way or you should inquire about that weekend again and tell her that you'd like to meet with her.

And yes, Wulkan is right, as far as I've noticed.
You're Brazilian and not that bad looking, as you say, I guess you had some success with girls from other nationalities so you shouldn't have problems - in theory.

So, yes, if you have problems, as it seems, then take it slow, be respecful.

Why are you so fixed on Polish girls anyway?

Love / Why are Polish girls so confusing? [30]

xD
I think the thread title should be more like "Why girls are so confusing? A simple and quick guide for boys on how to undress a girl without too much fuss and talking" xD

Maybe I'm being mean now... :P

Oh wait... What kind of advice Roosh' fans would give to our pursuer of Polish girls?
Hmm...
Get them drunk! :D
Make them believe you're staying in Poland longer than one/two weeks (in other words - lie) :)
Tell them German women are ugly! xD

That's all I remember...
;)

Love / Why are Polish girls so confusing? [30]


Oh, the shock! xD The horror! (Oh, I'm having fun, I'm sorry lol)


Maybe you should try brothels or sth then :P


Oh dear, that must've been a pain for you... ;)

Well, I don't know what to tell you, since I don't know personally the women (or rather girls, since you sound young, I guess) you wrote about.

Either those girls wanted just to hang out with you, make friends, rather than sth romantic, or you came through with your "aggressive approach" as a horny, creepy Latin guy who wants to f**k them on the first date and you freaked them out :) (but that's just my guess)


I think you should be yourself. Some girls will like it, others won't.

And it depends on what you want, I guess. If you're looking for sex only then you should go to clubs, I suppose? I don't know, I'm sure expats here can give you more info about that lol Oh, and apparently according to some very reliable study Polish women in the UK are more "promiscuous" than in Poland, so maybe you should try your luck there :)))

Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

Szczecinianin, are you friends with Macierewicz? :D I assume you have some kind of crystal ball at your disposal? :D
OMG...


The pot calling the kettle black :D
As we see here:


And you know that how? :D
How do you know they were harmless, how on Earth do you know they weren't carrying knives?
You simply don't know that.

Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]


No, I didn't. Prove otherwise (a link and a quote).


No, I didn't! LOL I wrote that I didn't refuse to watch any links you provided. Are you blind?


LMAO

You have no shame, do you? :D

As I already wrote, I won't let you weasel out of this so easily :)
Provide a link to back up what you wrote - that knives, etc. were found in hotel rooms, not on Lazio fans.

Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]


Then provide links.


No, I didn't refuse to watch any links you posted. And I simply repeated what Lenka's friend told her about destroyed door.


What on Earth are you talking about? What have I admitted?

Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]


Yes, you are. Or you simply don't remember what I wrote.


No, I didn't refuse! lol I even wrote that I'll probably watch it some time :D I never wrote that I don't want to watch it or that I'll never watch it.


No, I didn't keep writing about it "over and over again".


Well, szczecinianin, I have good reasons to think that you're not objective and that you're prejudiced.
Still, I believe there's still hope for you and that you can change :)


You're talking nonsense. I form my judgements based on people's comments. Sweeping, unfair generalisations are sweeping, unfair generalisations. Talking nonsense is talking nonsense. Not providing links is not providing links. Giving false information is giving false information. And if you must know, you're the author of one of the most shocking comments for me personally coming from Westerners I've ever read on this forum. No, not in this thread. Although you bewildered me here with your comments too.

Again, whatever you think I did or didn't do in previous discussions is not a reason to give people here on PF false information.

Provide links to back up what you wrote.

Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]


Oh no, no, no, I'm not going to get you away with this so easily.
I provided a BBC link in some of our previous discussions, you provide a reliable link too.
If you don't, it will mean you're talking out of your ass, as you people say.


Again, prove that I didn't want to look at some evidence you provided or stop lying.
And whatever you think I did or didn't do in previous discussions, this doesn't give you the right to give false information to people on this forum.

So, I won't let you weasel out of this.
Provide links.


Szczecinianin, I really don't care whether someone who claims being stabbed with a kitchen knife is a laughing matter takes me as a serious poster or not, let's put it that way :))

You've compromised yourself to such an extent that I don't consider you as an equal debater anymore, yet I'm ready to continue debate. And I have arguments, unlike you, I guess.

I must say I'm disappointed, with every discussion you seem to show your true colours more and more.


Really? Have you researched stabbings with the use of kitchen knives too? Probably also "thoroughly"? lol :)


:D Are you kidding me? You're not even willing to provide any link! It's laughable.


You "believe"?


It depends at what time it happened, where, and how do you know there were no other witnesses anyway?
And how come was it a "high profile match"?

According to this article:


warszawa.gazeta.pl/warszawa/1,34862,15049427,Do_stolicy_przyjechalo_300_fanow_Lazio__Polowa_zatrzymana.html

300 Lazio fans came to Warsaw, and half of them was detained.
The first gruop of Lazio fans was arrested on Wednesday evening in front of a hotel where there was some kind of brawl. My guess is that the hotel staff called the police.

17 people were arrested and most of them had knives, brass knuckles on them, and one guy even an axe.
And that's the charge - carrying dangerous tools in public places.

Two other groups were arrested on Thursday afternoon (one group - 50 people, the other - 80). They were throwing rocks, bottles and dust bins at the police. Some of them started putting balaclavas on their heads.

One police car was damaged.

I'm not sure what's so unbelievable about this?

Szczecinianin, you wrote that the Polish police are a bunch of incompetent cowards and that you doubt whether the Warsaw police are the brightest. What kind of thorough research gave you the right to make such sweeping and offensive generalisations about so many people?

I'll ask you a simple question.

If the Polish police are in general such lazy, stupid and incompetent cowards then how come Poland is a safe country?
Why do I read quite often here on PF what a safe country Poland is. It's the Westerners who often write that Poland is safer than their own city or town back home.

Why prisons are so full that people sentenced to jail time have to wait in line to get into prison?
Who's catching all those people, who's providing the evidence?
Leprechauns? Invisible elves? Fairies? Aliens? lol
Maybe you've caught them all by yourself?
Come on...

Considering that Poland is a poor country in comparison to the West and the Polish police is poor in comparison to the Western police, underfunded, unstaffed, not as well equipped as their Western counterparts, and not as respected as the police in the West, they must be doing something right if I feel safe in this country.

Taring with the same brush so many people doing hard, not well paid and often dangerous work is simply unfair.

Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]


I'm sorry, szczecinianin, but you're not a judge and I'm not a prosecutor in this "case" and I'm not obliged to provide you with evidence lol

You're being ridiculous, I wasn't there, I wasn't even a witness of what happened, just as you weren't.

Noone has to get injured to be arrested! All you have to do is to attack a police officer.
In Germany you can get a fine for littering the sidewalk, ffs.

And, excuse me, "the Polish police"? So it's now the Polish police in general, not only the Warsaw police, huh? What's next? Policemen of Polish decent around the world? :D


Szczecinianin, at the very start you have already judged and hanged the whole Polish police without looking at any evidence!
You don't know what happened.
You have no evidence that the police did something wrong, that their actions were uncalled for.


The police should do whatever possible in the frames of law to protect people from harm. Not as you please or as I please.
If the police did something wrong they'll answer before court for this.
I don't find criticism offending, not so long ago you could hear the criticism of the police for how they handled the Independence march from the news presenter at Fakty TVN, that's the biggest private TV station in Poland.

Don't worry, szczecinianin, Poles have brains too, we even have the intellectual capacity to criticise Poles and things in Poland (LOL).
But we also have the intellectual capacity to recognise prejudices and prejudiced people.
And that's what I don't like about you.
No, I'm not only basing my opinion on what you wrote in this thread, there were other times too.
Although, I must admit, what you wrote about laughing off being stabbed with a kitchen knife was really, I mean really pathetic on your part.

I also wonder if you were so eagerly defending Polish football "fans" if it was them who'd claim they're innocent and were doing absolutely nothing?

I somehow suspect you'd be praising the Polish police for dealing with neo-Nazi scum. Who cares about evidence if it's Poles, right? :)


I've already asked you where did you read that knives, brass knuckles and an axe were found in hotel rooms.
You haven't answered.
So I'm asking you again.
Where did you read those things were found in hotel rooms?
I've read in articles that they were found on Lazio fans, not in their hotel rooms.


Any links?

And what do you mean by that "the police didn't intervene"? Policemen were standing there and watching Mexicans being beat up?
The police didn't come despite someone called them?
You know it took place on a beach? There was no police there. And that was the main allegation against the Gdynia police, that they didn't secure the beach despite they knew there was going to be a match. I guess noone thought that kibole can go to the beach and make trouble.

And that's why, as far as I can remember, the head of police in Gdynia resigned.

Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]


They didn't arrest them straight away after leaving airport or whatever. They arrested them after being attacked by them.


No, but I would arrest a man throwing things at me :)


Yes, "read", szczecinianin, since I wasn't there and, may I remind you - you weren't there either.
I read and you're doing some prejudiced guesswork.


One of the Polish hools was arrested and sentenced to prison for offending a police officer during the Independence march.
It was all over the news.


No, I don't. Plenty of people do that on this forum, but I sure try not to do that at all.
So prove otherwise or stop lying about me and making unfounded, unprovoked, off-topic personal attacks.


I have a basic and even an advanced conception of law and justice. Lazio fans attacked the police. If they didn't, there are courts to decide about this. The court will decide whether the police acted against the law, not me or you. I haven't been there, you haven't been there either and yet you act like you not only been there but even have some access to policemen thoughts.


:D


Me too.


You have absolutely no idea what they knew or they didn't know. Just as I don't.


Probably you're prejudiced. No, wait... I'm pretty sure you are.


You are on the same page with PiS, right-wingers, the Independence march organisers, hools and neo-Nazis then. Just saying :)

You know what...
According to you people the Polish police are lazy, stupid and must be doing everything wrong.
But I remember watching riots in Paris some years ago, cars burning, etc. and basically no police in sight...
Not so long ago - riots in London. Also basically no police in sight, judging by what I saw on BBC World, and I remember a small unit of police backing away from people throwing stuff at them.

Some buildings were burned, I guess we all remember a famous picture of a Polish woman jumping through a window from a burning building.

So, is the French and British police lazy, stupid, must be doing things wrong and can't be trusted to protect the law-abiding citizens and their property?

Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]


Who, Lazio fans? As I wrote already this could be a preemptive measure taken by the police (as they knew what Lazio and Polish ultras are capable of). I don't mean the arrests themselves, since the police was attacked*, but the number of arrests.

*As I've read they've been arrested for attacking police officers and public disturbance. 149 of them have been released, 22 are still in custody.


What do you mean in this cheap shot? Can't you conduct a discussion in a normal manner, as I'm doing it?


It is relevant.


It's possible they had intelligence, but what did they got completely wrong?


I don't think it's ridiculous considereing the bad fame of Lazio fans.
In Poland during the Independence march things burn and in Italy fans are being stabbed by ultras.
I'm writing this to put things into perspective for you guys.
This doesn't mean I wouldn't want to be done more in Poland about Polish hools.


Looks like the police did - they followed them - and they got attacked.


Those "easy targets" stab people in Italy. There were knives found on them and... an axe, OK? o_O

I don't know if they're lazy or not, but to be honest, I find it hard to sympathize with kibole no matter whether they're from Poland or from Italy.

Maybe it's not that bad that they've rounded them up and arrested them when you realise that thanks to this none of them had the opportunity to use one of those knives or a freaking axe on people?

Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]


That could be the case, however, I can think of another reason too. My guess is they wanted to prevent greater trouble, a trouble that could end with someone dying.


Maybe the Warsaw police read newspapers or at least watch the news:

I'm not that interested in football and I don't follow football news but even I've heard about those Lazio/Italian stabbings. And all that happened in 2012 and 2013, not 20 years ago, or whatever. I don't know of anyone stabbed during the Independence marches. Do you?

Lazio fans are apparently notorious for racist chants too. They are no angels, guys.

Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]


Where did you read that? According to the links posted here in this thread knives, brass knuckles and an axe were found on Lazio supporters, there's no mention of their hotel rooms.


LOL

*smh*