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Did British public protest against the sell out of Poland to the Soviets? [286]
And the fact is that Britain did come to Poland's aid. You wish to claim that Britain could have done more, so you must tell us what further aid it was within Britain's power to give but was not given.
No, I do not wish to claim that Britain could do more, I wish to claim that Britain should make a considerable impact on the enemy,to fulfil her obligation. You wish to claim that formal declaration of war against Germany and few skirmishes were all she has been able to do?Prove it!
How interesting to see you trying to argue with what I do not say: it is a clear sign that you cannot argue with what I do say.
What you say is immaterial unless you prove that Britain in September 1939 was unable to carry out a full fledged military action either by navy or air-force or preferably by the combination of those.
The treaty makes no mention of "fully-fledged offensive". The treaty says "all the support and assistance in its [the other party's] power." So tell us what support and assistance it was within Britain's power to give but was not given.
That the letter of the treaty but not the spirit. You are saying that Polish government signed treaty which left to discretion of France and Britain a manner and a way in which they would come to the aid of Poland. What country would sign such a treaty, are you claiming that members of Polish government were retards? Well, such outrageous claims need to be proved. Please prove that Poland signed such a treaty and that members of Polish government had intelligence of a bright gibbon or for ever keep your silence!
The two standpoints are not mutualy exclusive. Its fair to say on the one hand britian did what was right for britiain and at the same time point out the french were the ones who were supposed to actually fight the germans. britains Navy was there to stop the German fleet escaping into the Atlantic,not to go on a suicide mission into the baltic.
That is all very nice but France and Britain were the world powers and were allied for over thirty years, so even if we assume that France was to fight on land but Britain was to use her navy and air-force against Germany.Also could pressure France into action, all in all at least 50% of blame for September 1939 lies with Britain.
Neither did Poland, they assured every ally that they could hold out against germany for at least 2 months...
Well, they could! You seems to be forgetting that Poland have been attacked also by Soviet Russian which considerably changed equation.
Allies were supposed to lunch full fledged offensive no later than on ten day of war, but they decided against that even before Soviets invaded (17).
Polish Army effectivly crumbled within hours of the invasion is it?
I suppose its Britains fault that the soviets joined in within two weeks too?
lets face it, you guys were lost from 4 30 am on the 1st of september and there was naff all any contempory Ally could have done about it, we managed to hold out by the skin of our teeth, its history, sh!t happened.
that all is debatable, /I could say that if allies lunched offensive against Germany while all German forces were engaged in Poland, the war could be won, then and there! All that mucking about was just excuses for French belief in Magiont line and British consenting! What about treaty?What about Poland - screw them!
That is the bottom line!
By 9 September Polish forces were holding on all fronts and lunching major counter-offensive! (Army Poznan)
There was such an offensive, and Germany was beaten on 2 fronts. France was hors de combat however the USSR joined the allies. They liberated Poland too. The US was also involved, in exchange for help against Japan. We know how the story turns out and you know that the treaty was fulfilled.
Not in September 1939, that later victory by Britain, USA and Soviet has no meaning for Poland. She hasn't been liberated by Soviets but enslaved by them.
Only after 1989 Poland regained independence of sorts, consequences of 1939 are still very much alive.
