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Did British public protest against the sell out of Poland to the Soviets? [286]
Again, do you have no shame? Poland invaded there ,not Britain.
What are talking about> I said that Czechoslovakia is off topic here,
Ironside,this is why I don't quote anything,I've studied enough about it.People here suggest that the west deliberately left Poland to the dogs
Depends on what we period we are talking about. If we are talking about 1939 it is looks like diplomatic bluff aimed to stop Germany.
I mean if those promises of military help wasn't aimed at preventing Poland from reaching an accommodation with Germany then I ask - what they were there for?
Consider French and British governments were well aware that in war against Germany Poland alone has no chance of winning.
On the other hand there is Polish government who knows sort of the same, at the same time Polish government signed treaty with France and Britain.
A very realistic treaty. I mean very logical and with certainty of victory for Polish-French-British coalition over Germany.
That those countries were interested in stopping Germany there is no doubt about it. That why all that stuff is mind boggling, why they have done what they have done - from a logical point of view it makes no sense.
As you says there is human factor and I blame Polish government for not realizing that the human factor at play will prevail. They had all tools needed to do just that, they failed and some part of the blame must lie with them.
The beginning of the WWII as presented in popular historiography and in myths is far from the truth. Germany invaded Poland - that the stuff from newspapers of the days, Britain in defence of Poland declared war on Germany - that another headline.
Most people think about 1939 as a prelude to war. Germany wanted to take over the world and they were devouring countries one by one and Poland's conflict with Germany was somehow inevitable.
In that light most pass over that period and goes to the interesting stuff. When you consider that Poland in fact had a choice and promises of Britain and France was a push which made Poland to go to war with Germany - that adds different dimension to the equation!
There is no doubt in my mind that Britain didn't fulfil their obligations. I entered this debate being sick of Harry's take on the issue not to score.
As for British public protesting - I would think that in 1939 said public has even less inclination to protest over some abstract issues than in 2012 and that says all!. Nor would I expect any public to voice their opinion about foreign policy of their state on the street.
This is quite clearly a lie or said with hindsight. offical restrictions on which targets the RAF could attack on the out break of war precluded ANY attacks on private business and civilian targets. So, try again,maybe actually credit your sources too.
So there is issue whether my sources are wrong or those promises were made, that would mean they were promising anything in the knowledge that all is a sham anyway.
Polish government would expect solid military aid. By military aid I mean invasion on Germany by French army and Britain navy and air forces attack on Germany.
Do you think that in facing a war with Germany Polish government would say to Britain - hey you come to my aid in whatever manner and way you deem right!
That is nonsense, they would need to get assurances, promises and timetable to buy it.
They were naive but not stupid.
