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jonni   
11 Jan 2011
News / Polish cleaner blows the lid on 'dirty' Germans [124]

Happily. I've known plenty of cleaners, and plenty more people who employ cleaners, and her stories of how she's been treated by affluent people ring true. Do you think they don't?
jonni   
11 Jan 2011
News / Polish cleaner blows the lid on 'dirty' Germans [124]

I just want you to spill out your germanophobia

First time I've been accused of that one! Usually it's Teutophilia...

you nurture your very own form of nationalistic bigotry like the rest of us

Interesting you think that - would you say the same about Justyna Romanowska?
jonni   
11 Jan 2011
News / Polish cleaner blows the lid on 'dirty' Germans [124]

Well...you started it!

And may yet finish it!

Yup, yet you assume the worst about this woman even without reading the book.

Which in many ways is symbolic of the point she's making.
jonni   
11 Jan 2011
News / Polish cleaner blows the lid on 'dirty' Germans [124]

Actually I don't care

A lot of posts for one who doesn't care.

Something just doesn't add up here....I believe she plays all for a fool and makes a good bucket with it! Not so stupid Pole! :)

This bit's probably true.

.that was her explanation for using a pseudonym!

The 'Seerauber Jenny' effect, with a bit of Despina thrown in for good measure!
jonni   
11 Jan 2011
News / Polish cleaner blows the lid on 'dirty' Germans [124]

What makes you sure that happened that way?

What makes you think it didn't?

PS: That's her:

Do you think she always dresses like that?

Do you know why she writes under a pseudonym? She want's to keep her job...
Interesting, isn't it? Can't be THAT bad...;)

Given the book's sudden success, I doubt she'll need to.
jonni   
11 Jan 2011
News / Polish cleaner blows the lid on 'dirty' Germans [124]

*points to thread header and first comment by thread opener*

Points with a smile to at least two comments explaining that the header is the headline of the quoted article. Perhaps you missed them, but I doubt it.

She wants to sell a book, "sweetie". Washing dirty laundry very probably
against her ex-employers wishes

There's something wrong with that?

She seems some kind of a w*hore. First doing everything for money, even if she hates it

That fits most people doing crap jobs. Unless you think cleaners should work out of the goodness of their hearts.

How trustworthy do you think she is?

Probably rather more trustworthy than the woman who witheld half her wages or the judge who kept confiscated mariajuana plants!

Well, it was you who invoked "mean german stereotypes about poor Poles" first...*

Do you deny they exist?
jonni   
11 Jan 2011
News / Polish cleaner blows the lid on 'dirty' Germans [124]

You really seemed to support the idea that employing house cleaners is a good reason to call someone "dirty". But that is something that just isn't logical.

What makes you think that?

Then you seemed to coddle the notion that servants are somehow exploited and that they somehow have some kind of moral superiority over their employers.

In her case, this is true, according to the book.

Then you brought the nationalist stereotypes and did pit again the "poor victimized Poles" against the "typically arrogant Germans"....that's all what you have left to play with..."sweetie".

What makes you think that I "brought" the nationalist stereotypes to an article which addresses them? Or used phrases like "typically arrogant Germans" or "poor victimized Poles" You need to try much harder!
jonni   
11 Jan 2011
News / Polish cleaner blows the lid on 'dirty' Germans [124]

Yeah...it was definitely me!

Yes it was. Interesting that you include the thread title, which was the original article's headline, as a quote.
And yes it is rather telling - given the book's success it seems a lot of Germans think so too!
jonni   
11 Jan 2011
News / Polish cleaner blows the lid on 'dirty' Germans [124]

Well...you started it...

Actually, Sweetie, you did. I just posted an article about a Polish lady from today's newspaper.
Did you notice that her book is on the best-seller list in Germany?
:-D
jonni   
11 Jan 2011
News / Polish cleaner blows the lid on 'dirty' Germans [124]

There is something profoundly wrong in the fact that a thread about a Polish cleaner in Germany
was turned into a Polish-German military debate, but since it happened anyway...

Agreed. It seems certain posters here see everything through with a nationalistic perspective.

Polish history is one, long streak of victories over Germans

Though this is also true :-)
jonni   
11 Jan 2011
News / Polish cleaner blows the lid on 'dirty' Germans [124]

generalizations and all around hate is a fiery business and you better have your facts straight (or in this case understand the article BEFORE opening a thread).

Again wrong. I saw an article about a book written by a Pole concerning her experiences as an emigrant worker (very relevant to this forum) and decided to open a thread. You however evidently see it from a nationalistic perspective.

Perhaps a great source of amusement for you. Some of us however are more interested in discussing matters relevant to Poles and Poland, but you are clearly not up to it.

Try harder next time!
jonni   
11 Jan 2011
News / Polish cleaner blows the lid on 'dirty' Germans [124]

s quite telling"

But you see...calling someone dirty because he employes house cleaner is somewhat stupid! ;)

Again you miss the point, perhaps deliberately.
jonni   
11 Jan 2011
News / Polish cleaner blows the lid on 'dirty' Germans [124]

did we read different articles?

Evidently. I read an article where the lady had been called sh1t polack", had her wages witheld by an employer and other various outrages. You seemingly didn't.

hear her foreign accent and instantly demand: "Where do you come from?" Her reply: "From Poland" not infrequently elicits the answer: "No thanks" or sh1t Polack".

On pay day, however, she left only half her weekly wage on the kitchen table and a note which said: "Sorry, Justyna – short of cash."

jonni   
11 Jan 2011
News / Polish cleaner blows the lid on 'dirty' Germans [124]

So please help me out, WHAT is it telling (to you) ?

That the exploited is so often more dignified than those who exploit them, and that the German stereotype of Poles is so often painfully wrong.
jonni   
11 Jan 2011
News / Polish cleaner blows the lid on 'dirty' Germans [124]

The second picture is closer to the average but still far better than most. Sometimes I've visited houses that look as if they're abandoned, but the inside is spic and span.
jonni   
11 Jan 2011
News / Polish cleaner blows the lid on 'dirty' Germans [124]

That the servant is so often much more dignified than those they serve, and that the German stereotype of Poles is unpleasantly inaccurate. I once invited a German friend to visit me in Warsaw. He eventually came, but flew rather than drove, since he wasn't prepared to park his car anywhere in Poland, because as he said, Poles like to steal cars!

In the countryside they're building beautiful homes these days and wanna keep them looking new and clean.

Nice pictures from a glossy magazine. Most people can only dream of such places and have to work with much less - nevertheless they manage.
jonni   
11 Jan 2011
News / Polish cleaner blows the lid on 'dirty' Germans [124]

Poles take pride in remodeling their homes and keeping them clean.

That's certainly true. When I first moved there, I assumed from the awful external state of some of the houses, that the insides would be just as bad. In fact the insides of Polish homes tend to be immaculate, no matter how tatty the outsides look.
jonni   
11 Jan 2011
News / Polish cleaner blows the lid on 'dirty' Germans [124]

I thought this was quite telling.

The much-vaunted Teutonic virtues of organisation and order have been dealt a withering blow in a new tell-all book - by a Polish char lady - which exposes her German employers as mean, filthy homeowners, who don't pay up and set devious traps to check that her work is done.

Under German Beds by the 32-year-old Polish cleaner - who writes under the pen name Justyna Polanska - has only just been released, but the account, which is drawn from her 12 years' experience of cleaning for well-to-do German households, already seems destined to be a bestseller.

Here's the rest: independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/polish-cleaner-blows-the-lid-on-dirty-germans-2181131.html
jonni   
11 Jan 2011
News / Gazeta Wyborcza of Poland losing readers [301]

Unlike you I know when to apologize and like you I know how to make it hard to swallow.

And of course it isn't proof of anything, and wouldn't stand up for even one second in a court, Polish or otherwise - just heresay from a tabloid, and a photo that could be of anything - but don't let that stop your fantasy!