Love / Married in Poland, now wanting divorce, does she have rights to half my earnings? [67]


Unfortunately that might not always be the case in a Polish family court if a male ( on top of that - a foreigner ) gets sued by a local female.

I mean, we're talking about a country where a national holiday could be announced each and every time a father gets full custody ( that's how rarely that happens ).

If she makes the judge belief that she has no means of supporting herself she will receive alimony from her ex-husband, despite them having no kids.

Love / Married in Poland, now wanting divorce, does she have rights to half my earnings? [67]

Coulda, woulda, shoulda.

Law doesn't work like that.


Ok, then I gotta ask. Like Poland much?

Because if You don't and there's nothing that ties You down here ( no job ) my advice is as follows.

Hoof it. Scram. Go on a lam. Get the hell out of Dodge.

Why?

A Polish family court is a place notoriously unfriendly towards foreigners. 9/10 judges over there happen to be female.

So You'll basically have Your wife crying to another older Polish woman about what kind of a ******* You were and the other woman nodding in sympathy, then handing down the verdict.

In that light her threats about taking at least half don't sound that funny any more.


Yeah and we all here know what that means. Now the problem is how said Polish family court is going to approach this and I'll tell You right now how it will go down:

Your ex will cry and say You're a bastard that never supported her and how poor and broke ( she needs to be poor and broke for the judge to grant her and not the kids alimony in Poland ) she is because of it, said old female judge will nod in sympathy, then You'll be asked a dozen and one questions about Your education, previous work experience, etc. Then said judge, who was raised in communism by the way, will, I **** You not, determine how much she thinks an American of Your education and work experience can earn, then she will pass the alimony verdict based on that assumption.

Again, if You're shaking Your head in disbelief I can only say I **** You not, I've seen it happen.

That judgement will be executable up to the point of them actually going after the salary You earn in U.S.

So take my advice and I'm sure a U.S. lawyer with a good head on his shoulders will figure a way for You to divorce her out of the U.S.


This case might be challenging for a Polish qualified lawyer, not to mention poor students doing cases between exams.


She indeed is working hard towards fitting the stereotypes usually associated with Polish ( and other Eastern European ) women.

I wouldn't in general marry without a pre-nupt, especially if my "wife-to-be" was raised in that part of the world.

Tell her to pound sand regarding U.S. citizenship.


Best of luck, wildrover.

USA, Canada / Polish Law and divorce from a US citizen - when does it apply? [11]

He aught to try in Albania or Kazakhstan while he's at it, I'm sure he can get You sentenced to life in jail for grand treason or espionage over there, all for the price of three chickens and a dozen eggs...

If You're a U.S. citizen and Your kids are in U.S. I wouldn't worry about Polish courts.

Love / Do African or Afro- American women find Polish men attractive? [179]


Give me an hourly rate.


Jewish here, You haven't touched my home base yet.


And I always tell them they're really dumb when they say that.

So why should I treat You any different?


You don't really have any of it, so how can You lose it?

Love / Do African or Afro- American women find Polish men attractive? [179]


I need someone to re-paint the walls white in one of my properties in Lodz which I'm currently having renovated.

You seem extremely skilled with a broad brush.

How much would You charge?

Love / Do African or Afro- American women find Polish men attractive? [179]


Southern is kept around as a sort of curiosity and his opinions are rarely shared by other forum members ( I only agree with him on a few things ). Oh, and btw he doesn't happen to be American.

Racist much?

Or, should I say, anti-American in the very least?

Still pissed off about them killing off Pablo Escobar who was turning Colombia into a paradise?

Because, for real, You make so many generalizations it isn't funny.

I've met beautiful, classy white women who were raised in U.S.. And I've met skanky, easy and cheap women born and raised in South America ( and vice versa, to be fair ). Not to mention that with the well known "horizontal butt explosion" issue South American women are really last ones who should tell other women about weight issues.

So You're really painting with a broad brush, lady.


Well, perhaps You don't mean, but You sure as hell do.


Again a broad generalization.

Lady, basically, think before You write and try to keep that Colombian temper in check.

News / Tusk drops Chinese COVEC building the A2 motorway in Poland [83]

In any construction or development related business, going with the lowest bidder isn't always the best idea, especially if the lowest bid seems to be based on unrealistic assumptions.

In this particular case, if I recall corectly, the Chinese made a bid that can only be viewed as cut-throat undercutting and, again if I recall correctly, even the Polish press wondered how the hell this whole Chinese motorway was going to click, financially speaking.

But who cares, right, on paper it looked wonderfully. And any reservations people had were being treated with "this is China's stepping stone to the European market, they are treating this project specially".

Sorry guys, that's no way to think in business.

And now the Chinese are saying - we dump the site or You change the payment terms ( which I assume they knew prior to the bid ). Rather unethical, to say the least, especially since everyone knows the Polish government has a gun to their head on this one ( if the Chinese dump the the site there's no way on God's green earth the motorway will be finished for EURO 2012.

On principle the Chinese should probably be kicked out, but IMO the Polish government will cave in to their demands.

News / Tusk drops Chinese COVEC building the A2 motorway in Poland [83]


Yeah, that's how things end when you do business with schmucks... I mean, 130 million guarantee on a 1.3 billion contract? Really?

Good luck sending a Polish "komornik" to China, lol.

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]

darius, you were kind enough not to read the stuff I wrote.

Basically, women described in that article ( who were basically throwing themselves at an unknown Swede ) happen to be mothers now, most of them live in Poland.

Understood?

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]

almost right but she would sound even better :-)

Oops, sorry for that.

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]

So you suggest that Welsh is some kind

I think he was more referring to this odd fact of life, that in many Polish families the Polish side of the newly forming family is basically jumping up and down with joy while thinking that their new "son in law" will be a foreigner. Seriously doubt that it was a jab at Welsh people.

So that German guy must been very dissapointed that I didn't agree for a canoeing trip after 2 hour of our acquaintanceship...

Chances still are that if he goes through 3 Polish girls he'll find one that will agree based on the sole fact that he's a foreigner and therefore "cool".

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]

when we lived in Mikolajki, I've met a girl who was about to get married with an Welsh guy and her whole family was very happy about it so I guess Midas is right about what he's saying.

Thank You.

I wrote quite extensively why things often work like that on p. 1, so if any of my opponents wants to address the topic, please comment on what I wrote ( especially comment on the gazeta wyborcza article about the Swede ).

From my experience - we are talking about a country that women ( many of whom have since become mothers ) were desperately trying to leave in the 1960's,1970's,1980's and yup, even the 1990's.

When I had this bit of a side thing with the "firma polonijna" in Poland back in the 80's I was pretty much told ( usually in broken English ) by quite a few Polish "ladies" that they were ready to basically drop everything they had in Poland and go live with me in Great Britain. And that they'd be a good wife, make me very happy and so forth... Sometimes there was an age difference, sometimes the bird was married, freshly married or engaged, made no bloody difference, for these women back then a foreigner was simply a dream come true and on a whole together different level than local guys.

I guess the only place that can be compared to Iron Curtain countries nowadays is, I dunno, deep Africa perhaps?

Anyways, these women I wrote about became mothers, had daughters and I seriously doubt Poland has gotten rich enough for them to change their opinion on things. So when they find out their daughter is seeing a foreigner they are all happy, because back in the day they'd have happily killed their neighbour's cat for a chance to date a Swede, German or British guy.

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]

Actually, I'd be leaning towards Nomadet's view in quite a few cases involving Polish women in London ( can't speak for the rest of UK ).

How else are you supposed to call a girl that comes over, 2 weeks later is living with a guy whom she just met and he's paying her way ( including the London rent )? 3 years down the road she's gone back home.

So yeah, in that case "prostitute" seems to be a good call.

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]

Nomadet - You've just accused a hell lot of Polish women in London ( 70% at least ) of prostitution.

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]

To most Polish mums it depends on the quality of the suitor, not his passport.

Not really.

Most Polish "mums" nowadays were still raised in the communist/socialist period, which basically made people in Eastern Europe consider everything in Western Europe better ( they've been licking a candy though a glass window for 50 years , so to speak ).

You don't know what I'm talking about? Ok, read this:

Here's a piece from a Polish newspaper, about a Swede that posted a personal addy ( no photo ) in 1991 in one of the Polish newspapers and had about 250 responses from Polish women that were basically throwing themselves at him. Women aged from 16 to 45.

I could also recall quite a few personal stories from the 1980's when, due to a "firma polinijna" that was operating here, I visited Poland. And, well, most male foreigners who came to Poland then actually had a problem keeping Polish women away if they were married. I also remember a young ( at the time ) Polish engineer who simply would not take his wife to any social gatherings that included foreigners ( told us he wasn't married at first ) because he figured she'd dump him as soon as she met a foreigner.

These are the "mums" we're talking about here.

So yeah, very often a foreigner staring at her daughter = dreams accomplished for a "mum" coming from such background.

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]

Most doubtfull sentence I heard today.

Any arguments to support Your statement, mate?

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]

Surprised.

Most Polish mothers consider their daughter marrying a foreigner a huge success.

I guess You just met the one that doesn't.

Love / I need advice: divorce and my rights as a father in Poland [165]

I fully agree with the above, can't unfortunately agree with the last sentence.

She sounds exactly like the type to exploit every loophole to move the kids abroad. IMO it likely she will try and I sure as hell know some cases where people made off with the kids from Blightey.

Life / What on earth is the fascination of Indians, Pakistanis and Nepalese with Poland? [112]

They must be half-wits and not true Indians... because there are dogs in every culture and ethnicity...

So basically you just called a member of your own race "a dog" based on the fact that he wanted to get with a women of another race... really classy there, mister...

so in the remarks you are making about them going for other races it is absolutely absurd

One of the rather richer people of Indian descent in the U.K., a certain Mr. Arun Nayar, is still married to Elizabeth Hurley ( divorce proceedings ongoing, wikipedia tells me, she filed first ) and unless You start courting Pippa Middleton You can't really go much more British than Elizabeth Hurley.

Hence, You're speaking out of your ass. Again.

but with all honesty, when you marry out of race you lose a part of your culture and family ties, as well, any noble Indian man knows the chance of their offspring marrying an Indian is slim if they marry out of race.

You're really narrow minded to say that. And the fact that some Indians are racist ( please re-read what You wrote ) doesn't mean all of them are.

So let them branch from the greatest civilization known to man... if they are such cowards...

Have You been drinking? Or has the smog in Katowice gotten much worse and affected Your brain cells somehow?

Considering this... I would strongly recommend you look 20-30 years in the future who would care about looks... when you have and Indian women cooking you some Indian food... !!!

I hate to break it to You, pal, but non-Indian women cook too.

Although if it makes You feel any better I have indeed sampled the fine Indian cuisine in my younger and wilder days in London. So, I will agree that Indian women can cook. And the precious few ones I associated more closely with were also real tigresses in the bedroom, if You catch my drift.

your divorce rate keeps climbing...

Don't worry pal, as India's social progress speeds up so will your divorce rates.

Life / What on earth is the fascination of Indians, Pakistanis and Nepalese with Poland? [112]

can give a rats bottom about polish women or any other ethnicity...

Yes,yes,yes...

I've seen Indians and Pakistanis simply begging for some attention from non-Indian/non-Pakistani women... So plz allow me to remain skeptical.

<grins>

Love / I need advice: divorce and my rights as a father in Poland [165]

Seconded.

The way things sound she'll be tempted to pull off a runner the moment she learns about the filing.

Love / I need advice: divorce and my rights as a father in Poland [165]

No problem, I guess we just didn't see eye-to-eye on that matter at first.

In my opinion mediation can be done while one retains a lawyer. In his case it should even be done like this, especially since it sounds like she has already lawyered up.

Love / I need advice: divorce and my rights as a father in Poland [165]

Unlikely it is the "monies" in my case.

In Kurt's case I don't get Your fuss over my statements.

I also told him to seek professional help. Of the legal eagle kind.

That's what most smart people do when their wife keeps saying she's not happy and is calling divorce solicitors asking how much money she can get, then comes over and asks the husband to hop over to a solicitors office to sign the kiddies over.

If he's going to look into other options ( counselling, mediation ) fine, but what he needs to do first is make sure he doesn't come back to an empty home one night and read a "Dear Kurt, I'm in Poland with the kids" note.

Love / I need advice: divorce and my rights as a father in Poland [165]

Midas Yeah and talking with one's husband is the way in which normal, not money-hungry women solve the issue

Ironside You are obviously not married, and your opinions are unsound.

Really?

I mean, true, I'm not married but with my current girlfriend we constantly manage to resolve various issues pertaining to property worth in excess of 600.000 pounds now ( mutual investments ).

Guess how we do it?

Tip number one - we talk to each other and listen to each other.

Tip number two - none of us calls up solicitors at the slightest disagreement.

But, yeah, you're probably right, marriage of all things most likely won't work correctly without getting lawyers involved every other weekend...

Love / I need advice: divorce and my rights as a father in Poland [165]

Women want their own money,

His wife can get a job. The thing is, it simply sounds as if she doesn't want one.

a women needs friends especially if she is locked up all day with a child, no wonder she wants to go to Poland. I had a similar situation with my wife, when I lived in London.

Yeah and talking with one's husband is the way in which normal, not money-hungry women solve the issue.

Calling divorce solicitors asking "how much money can I get out of him" isn't.

after two years of looking after our first child, my wife was exhausted. So we shipped in a nanny from Poland to do the cooking/cleaning and look after our child during the day.

Couldn't You have done that in the first place like all the normal people, without waiting the two years?

And what's with shipping a nanny in from Poland? Is it some kind of a fad? Are they really that cheaper?

Midas, if you don't keep your wife happy, you end up with unhappy children?

From what he wrote a bloody genetic crossover between Baron Rotschild, Casanova and Mother Theresa couldn't keep his old lady happy.

Let me be clear though - not talking about a nanny. Talking about the idea of having his mum-in-law shipped over from Poland so she can "help out". A nail in the coffin, that's what it will be.

They'll gang up on the bloke and pretty much tag-team him to death.

Seriously, don't delete my head-butting with anti-semites, it is not like I'm calling the defamation league guy or sth.

Love / I need advice: divorce and my rights as a father in Poland [165]

^^Lol...

The last thing a guy who probably will have to go through a difficult divorce wants is mum-in-law ( or some other family member from the wife's side ) moving in.

Really.

Besides, it all seems rather a case of her not wanting to work as opposed to her not having any time for work.

Grubas - honestly You don't have a clue what You're talking about and I don't have time to point out every bit of Your crappy spelling in the topic.

Love / I need advice: divorce and my rights as a father in Poland [165]

However the case turns out to be, I believe it is in his very best interest not to go in front of the Polish court.

Somehow I don't see Her Majesty's court being very responsive to her cries about abuse, stress etc. after the Judges hear about the 4 bedroom house and her not working.

Just a friendly thought.

Love / I need advice: divorce and my rights as a father in Poland [165]

1) It seems a bit weird to me that at first you're ready to go to Poland for sake of your family, then you're willing to file a divorce a couple of hours later.

To be fair, I believe the situation was developing as he posted.

However, how else do You expect a guy to respond when his "wife" tells him they need to hop over to a solicitor's where he's going to sign over his kids?

Any man with half a brain is going to lawyer up in such a case.

2) Grubas - you don't seem to understand law.... Sorry, You understand it as a number of Polish people "understand it" - that as long as they're Polish and screw a foreigner a Polish court is going to do nothing about it.

Well, your perception is wrong.

They both have custody - joint custody. Joint custody means some decisions about a child's future can be made by any of the parents, some - only by both of them.

The decision to move a child to another country can only be made by both parents, period.

If one parent decides he's just going to pick up a kid and leave for Australia in the middle of the night --> yes my friend, he will be charged with kidnapping in any CIVILIZED country. Harry has already quoted the appropriate UK legal act.

So, to answer Your question:

I mean seriously, do you think that any court would charge her with kiddnaping her own baby?

Any court in the UK.

So don't speak about matters You don't know **** about. I understand You're pissed off because he did a Polish girl repeatedly and You don't, but please have some dignity.

3) Kurt...

Please read the following statements made by grubas ( who happens to be Polish, I judge from the spelling ) very carefully:

here is no way anybody will give her problems if she decide to move to PL with a baby.The mother and the child are citizens of Poland and no court in PL will give her hard time.

Good luck fighting her in Polish court as a foraigner who does not even know what is happening around him.

Unfortunately, these are true statemets. Polish courts are biased in such cases.

Triple check that You've done everything possible to prevent her from pulling off a runner with the baby.

Love / I need advice: divorce and my rights as a father in Poland [165]

Yeah, the Hague Convention is what I clumsily mentioned earlier.

Love / I need advice: divorce and my rights as a father in Poland [165]

You have all the advantages of a Polish wife - are there any? <big grin>

Personally I think TS isn't going through the worse drama. I've been told by some of my Irish acquaintances that a lot of Polish female - Irish bloke marriages/relationships fell apart rather rapidly and in a very ugly fashion after the economic crisis hit Ireland.

Now that dowright sucks donkey balls - being in financial straits AND having a woman call it quits at the same time.