Have we not had enough of this type of thread? Mods, please merge it with the 50 million others, many thanks!
The Polish aided in a big way but we need to stop encouraging this incessant harping back to the past. Us Scots are very grateful but we expressed it some 65 years ago the most. The 10 year gratitude reiteration time is not due for another 5 years when the 70th anniversary of the end of the war is due ;) ;) ;)
I think it's because many Poles are so disillusioned with the present. The negativity here is toxic and there's too much tongue lashing :(
That's just a flaming comment! I'm no fan of Churchill but comparing him to Hitler is absurd! Jasinski, you need to get over the fact that Poland could have trounced Germany in 1932/33 and you can't tell me that some alarm bells weren't heard around 1934/35. Piłsudski knew it, the British foreign secretary knew it but they missed their chance. Look, many people or institutions look for a raison d'etre. It isn't coincidental to me that the Federal Reserve was founded in 1913 and WWI started not even a year later. They did well from that war so a second one wasn't going to hurt.
Yes, Churchill was a megalomaniac and I'm glad you singled him out. He paid lip service to his advisors, preferring to engage in secret correspondence with Roosevelt from 1942 onwards. Before that, he was not for saving Poland. I don't know about his early days but he developed a dislike for Poles. It was either at Yalta or Teheran (the latter I think) where he made an outburst calling Poles selfish and worthy of what they got. He is from imperialistic stock so how can you blame him?!
This thread could have been interesting, I'm curious about the number of actual Poles who took part in the battle, I've been reading the book "Poles in defence of Great Britain" lots of interesting stories, it's nice to hear about the brotherhood there once was, it all really warms the heart.. but I didn't read about any overall numbers yet... and I really don't know why did you have to add this:
English arrogance aside.
if not with irony and a certain sneer.. and taking it into consideration this thread will change into a barf thread, but it was your choice all along troll.
Yeah, numbers are more for academic submissions, frd. I've mentioned this on another thread, maybe 3 other threads, that Poles were warmly welcomed in Glasgow and commanded respect for what they achieved. Why is there no commemoration of their feats in a place like Dęblin?
Jasinski, it's very easy to point the finger, isn't it? How about showing me an authenticated archived copy of Piłsudski's meeting with his French counterpart to enter into a pre-emptive war!? Maybe you can bribe the authorities to furnish you with a copy, I'm sure you know how ;) ;) ;)
Well, it's obvious Poland single handedly won the war, it was our fault they got invaded, they single handedly rescued UK from bankruptcy and they are the single most, bestest, most perfectest, most wonderful people in the world. Next Tim-Berners Lee will say he is really Polish and the greatest country in the world invented the internet, while those lazy Brits were jacking up in Brixton.
I find some Poles reasonable enough as individuals but the chip on the shoulder approach is most off putting.
Why the reference to 'arrogance', nobody denies that foreign RAF squadrons were set up in 1940 but you don't hear Czechs or other nationalities droning on, I suppose Poles will claim they invented the postage stamp, the hovercraft, radio, TV, the modern legal system and even the tin opener.
What next, our fault they got invaded in 1939? Our fault for the bread queues and our fault they came here in droves?
Why is there no commemoration of their feats in a place like Dęblin?
That's what I've read about the reception the had recieved in many cities with military airports and bases nearby. Beside all the war stuff many stories about nicknames they got from their british mates who were unable to pronounce their names or surnames. About how they initially struggled with the language, learning all the pilot banter ( that reminds me of one Monty Python sketch ). So a bit of the lighter side too..
Jasinski, try living in the present. The Scots invented much of the modern world, read Arthur Herman's book. We invented radar, a MAJOR plus. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_inventions_and_discoveries here's the rest.
Why can you not just be happy with the Polish effort, jasinski? We were and vets still remember their dedicated service. What's the problem?
no you just thought you could carve up africa and fight the pygmies without fighting anybody for real. then the germans put you in yyour place and the americans had to help you out.
FFS, just say Poland won the war, just say Poles are the best workers in the world, say Poland should rule the world and every street corner should have a Polski Slep, anything that has ever gone wrong in Poland never really happened, they invented Stephenson's rocket, the first ever football game Poland beat a combined Franco/German/Prussian alliance XI 25-0 and won every World cup since 1066, Shakespeare wrote in Polish, Roger Bannister came second to a Pole who clocked up a time of 2:59.
iam not the one to be angry at on this forum. i came to this forum talk about things that are polish. but all i read is slander and **** talking. i cannot ignore it and will not untill the retarded non polish people stop coming on here to prop up their own lame ass countries. every country has things to be proud and ashamed of.
I've read Wikipedia and there's as many Scots in it as there is Germans. And there's many others contributors. You can argue that it was the scottish lad who one day doing his thing in the lavey had the first thought, but be honest it was a collective effort. : p
I'm curious about the number of actual Poles who took part in the battle,
There were 89 pilots in the Polish RAF squadrons but not all of those pilots were Poles (for example, the leading BoB ace was Czech). By the end of the war there were some 85,300 members of the western command Polish army who were formerly in the German armed forces but has changed sides. Strangely, we hear a lot about the few and very little about the thousands.
Yes, it was a collective effort, as is the case for most inventions (e.g 2 Englishmen invented Dolly but we get the credit. Berners Lee wasn't working alone. Delegation etc). Still, consensus credit is consensus credit. It's for humanity anyway :) :) :)
Back to the thread, I can confirm that, frd. My grandad loved to wheel out anecdotes over tea and biscuits. It's just a shame that Poland didn't have anything like Spitfires! What happened to that formidable arsenal of 1933 that Poles often speak of? How was it overcome so quickly?
Come out, OP, enlighten us. Why was Poland crushed so quickly? Your pilots did a sterling job in Britain so what happened on the home front? Inferior equipment? Lack of preparedness? Piłsudski said it all in his memoirs, his fears for his brethren. Shame that you revered the guy without heeding his messages.
fool! germany had no resistance. the sd was up germans ass to much or have you even heard of the sd. i doubt it or you would know that poland was the first to fight and the last. you are wrapped up in popular belief. read a book!
it sounds like you watched valkyrie with tom cruise a little to closely. while the german generals did have something that might be considered a conspiracy. the german populace never came close to having an active resistance. after all they did vote hitler in and after they realized they had been duped by a foreigner it was to late.
