Have Poles blood on their hands? :)

Thank you!

Hmmm...the Brits say it's a record of one of Hitlers speeches...and this saying it's an english translation...I wonder....it seems it's from second or third degree hear say...would like to see this L-3 document!

Update: Found it!
cwporter.com/gl3.htm

Very interesting!

So, they considered exterminating them. They did exterminate some, many. That's what I've been trying to say.

Harry, do you agree with me? I'm just trying to talk about what happened. Please don't be so angry.

That's all very vague. Quotes:

"The documents used in evidence at Nuremberg consisted largely of "photocopies" of "copies". Many of these original documents were written entirely on plain paper without handwritten markings of any kind, by unknown persons."

"The document appears to have been prepared on the same typewriter as many other Nuremberg documents"

You found it! If you go to the very bottom of the page, you can click on a link that translates it.

TheOther: You're starting to sound like one of those Neo-Nazi Holocaust denials.

You want to insult me? I was just quoting the remarks on the web site that BB posted. Besides: you are talking about questioning history here all the time, so why not question the accuracy of the allied version of history as well? Like "The USA liberated Europe" for example... ;)

Oh, Gosh, TheOther, I was just remarking that that's what it seemed like. Anyway, the ALLIES helped to liberate Europe (and let's not forget about Asia). They all worked together.

You know, someone sent me an email recently about the American war cemeteries overseas. I'll try to find that. I'm running out of computer time for today, so I may have to post it tomorrow. It was a very moving group of photographs about the thousands upons thousands of dead US service men of WWII. Very touching.

Still waiting to hear something from Harry.

don't waste your time on him ...all you gonna hear from Harry is neatly presented bs.

No worries.

Well, THAT sucks. I hate to think of a person as a lost cause, but I know that you just can't reach some people. You really, really try. You truly want to help a person break away from the Sheeple, but they just want to go through life with blindfolds on. It's sad. I'm gonna keep trying, though. I think there might be a drop of hope for him. I really hope so.

So Har,

when will you start educating other peeps that the Bielskis were Polish?

Polish filth who betrayed the Poles and Poland.
Polish filth who has been betraying the Poles ever since - vide baby Aaron.

?

It seems that you guys tried to quote the famous Armenian Quote. It has been called the Armenian quote but it should be called the Polish quote. It is contested because the Turks and the Armenians disagree:

Hitler speaking:


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_quote

Yeah, but Turkey was allied with Germany, Italy and Japan. Just as there are Neo-Nazis who deny the Holocaust, there are Turks who deny the genocide. The Japanese don't admit their role in WWII, either.

Of course it was much harder for Poles and Russians than for Americans or British because that's where the fighting was. And the german occupation was far more brutal to Poles than to the french. (And unlike France, Poland didn't have a collaborationist government). But my point is to explain that the Jews were not war casualties, but murder victims. And that's why Jews jump whenever we're told that not only Jews were killed.


It shouldn't be. That's an impression I'm trying to correct here. WWII was one catastrophe and the holocaust was another. The effects they had on each other are many and complex.

So being bombed doesn't count?

See, that's where I have to disagree. I mean, murder is murder. The Nazis didn't like Poles. They wanted to exterminate them. The Nazis most certainly wanted to exterminate all Jews. They did exterminate a whole lot. But, they exterminated others. I guess I just object to you setting up classifications . . . if that makes sense. Death is death. I dont' think that you should "jump" whenever you're told that not only Jews were killed. Lots of people were slaughtered. Why classify and then imply one was worse than another? Does that make sense? I mean, a murder of a Jewish person is unacceptable, but not more so than the murder of a Gypsy.

Thanks for keeping this civil. I'm still holding out hope for Harry. Gotta jump in the shower, then I have to leave in about a half hour. I've enjoyed talking to you all (except Harry, but he'll come around. I'm sending him Reiki love. That's not a joke, not sarcasm. I really am doing that).

Oh. please, Yehudi, in Poland we know very well that Jews were murdered en masse. Anyone can verify that by talking to the old folks. Poles were killed also. I'm not sure what the contention would be. But yes, Jewish Poles were targeted for extermination after 1942 where Poles were not.

BTW, I'm going to Luxor this year, and I will not be taking in the mud I was hoping for. Perhaps next year in Jerusalem! Would you meet me and my wife?

Lmao, i am sure he will be thrilled.

The problem with this thread is the title. Have Poles (in general) got blood on their hands? No, no nation has. Have some Poles done dirty deeds? Of course, this isn't in doubt. No single nationality of any size is made up 100% of angels.

Jonni,
I have tried to tell the mods to discourage thread tittles like this one. They are too tolerant. On one hand, we can talk about what we want, then on the other, the site looks foolish.

The mods should be aware of flaming thread tittles.

I agree. It doesn't do justice to this forum. Or move intelligent discussion about Poland forward.

Intelligent discussionn is always an option.

and don't forget WW1, where the intervention of US led to a speedier defeat of the axis powers and the re-establishment of a Polish state.

my cousin is writing a book about Polish soldiers from 1st Polish Armoured Division who were Wermacht soldiers before.

Well, historians say that without the meddling of the US Germany would had won the great war...hence no WWII, no Nazis, no Holocaust, no Hitler....so yes, let's not forget the US in this!

(but at least Poland was re-established and that's the main thing, isn't it!)


Should be interesting as there were no Poles in the Wehrmacht....

Some say that it was also possible that they could have lost without US but the US entry sped the process up (still took about 9 months)


Yep, so Germans could have cheap holidays.

learn polish and ill send you some interviews with the veterans. one of em was in Rommels Panzer Division.

wehrmacht-polacy.pl


historycy.org/index.php?s=8b9bf18795044405d655bbff2169309c&showtopic=1016&st=0

Doesn't matter...there were no Poles in the Wehrmacht as the Wehrmacht was the official forces of Germany.
They were german nationals, or Volksdeutsche....get that into your thick head!

Just a question: In another thread you seem to be proud that Poles never forgot their "polishness" even during the partitions living officially as Prussians, Russians or Austrians.

Do you really believe it was different with the millions of Germans who found themselves now in new-Poland???

just dont try to indroduce me to your gerrie vision on history. its worthless crap


there are 153 000 people with polish citizenship that consider themself german ( for me they can all fcuk off to kraut reich as their hommies did before ).

The unconvenient truth hurts, ne? ;)

(I really hope your cousin is more brainy or he will be the reason for some more polish jokes...)

youre the person to tell. does it? (: