Stella Kubler alone is responsible for around 2300 dead jews. Chaim rumkowski alone is responsible for tens of thousands of jews.
@Lyzko I agree wholeheartedly. My issue is that world jewrt condemns poland and calls us collaborators and immediately goes to 'shut it down, the goyim know' mode after morawiecki says there were Jewish collaborators. Jewish leaders never apologized for Jewish collaboration yet try to guilt trip everyone else about it then demand billions of shekels as reparations.
I know that this forum does not like cutting and pasting and I try to follow that rule. Except this time. Quoting from Wikipedia:
Polish rescuers of Jews were hampered by the most stringent conditions in all of German-occupied Europe. Occupied Poland was the only country where the Germans decreed that any kind of help to Jews was punishable by death for the rescuer and the rescuer's entire family. Of the estimated 3 million non-Jewish Poles killed in World War II, thousands - perhaps as many as 50,000 - were executed by the Germans solely for saving Jews.
From now on, I don't want to read any s*** about Poland and the Poles being the bad guys in this matter. Ever.
They turned in a whole lot more to the Nazis.....allegedly.
yada yada ...the same old BS again . So F what? You say it as if that was some kind of a big deal, a fact they will trump all other facts. When if fact all you do is nip and heels and change the subject with your nagging ... damn washerwoman.
rumkowski was jewish so was this kubler.stop talking rubbish why everything in this forum end up about killing jews and antysemitism..even if i start thread about pink unicorns,soon some guys will start posting rubbish about poor jews mistreated by poles.. here,one hour version: youtube.com/watch?v=PUCgC_TukKg&t=2756s
It was "state" alright but not antisemitism. Antisemitism, like racism, properly defined, is hate of somebody for his immutable characteristics. Like being black. Jews in Poland overplayed their hand and in the 60's realized that the days of oppressing and exploiting Poland are coming to an end. So they left they way you (editorial) leave a bar when the barman tells you that you are drunk enough.
To the best of my knowledge, there was no violence (pogrom) and nobody was deported. So, it was not "antisemitism". They just lost an internal power struggle and were hated by the rest of us for what they did in the past and for never having any loyalty to Poland as their homeland. Personally, and without proof, I am willing to bet that these bastards didn't even know how to sing our national anthem, but I could be wrong.
Most Jews living in the city ghettos and shtetls around the countryside pre end of WW2 most certainly wouldn't. Majority of Jews during that time didn't speak Polish, they spoke Yiddish.
Yes, a lot. And not because they were Jews but because they were the Soviet imports, occupiers, and enforcers in Poland before they left. Just think Beria cloned 100,000 times. How do you think I was able to leave in 1966 for the Western Europe in full daylight by simply taking a train to Holland? It was not easy but more doable than ten years earlier.
@Dirk, the wonderful World Jewish Congress way back in the late '30's, while Hitler was starting to make good on his no-longer idle threats (e.g. the famous speech at the Kroll Opera where he states point blank for ALL brain-damaged Holocaust deniers to hear: "Hier ist nicht die Bolschewisierung Deutschland, sondern die Ausrottung der juedischen Rasse in Europa!" (This will not be the Bolshevization of Germany, but rather the extermination of the Jewish race in Europe) to thunderous applause) stood by and did NOTHING. Yes, there were constant protests in Madison Square Garden during those years, but on the whole, far too little was done, far too late.
to simply answer this question,we had our chance in 16 and 17 century. reason polish Lithuanian commonwealth collapsed,was terrible social-economic system. this so called noble democracy.with elected king with no power lack of centralized power,nobility very often working against the state ect.Poland was declining and degenerating since late 15 century when privileges for nobility were first implemented.similar thing happened in Ottoman empire.both countries become sick man of europe
just as example how mad that state was.do you know that armed rebellions were legal in polish commonwealth?at some point there were 1000-ts rebellions a year.
or situation with army...since polish nobles were liable to pay for the army but King was commander of it,both parties hostile to each other. this create situation that nobility was doing everything it could to make sure that Poland had no standing army .reason ,cus it cost them and second cus they were afraid of too powerful King
there were many sick and degradation ideas such as liberum veto-paralyzing reforms ,or king elections-very often rigged with corruption
Almost all the royal houses were related to each other - poles to hungarians, Germans to russian, French to british, etc. The fact that they were all basically family didn't prevent them from ruthlessly killing each other.
And where is Saxony and the rest of German today? They might as well be ruled by the house of saud.
Where does this "exodus" of polish Jews during th 60s fit in?
Hmm in Soviet strategy devised in Moscow. Same like 'exodus' of Polish jews during late 40'.
to simply answer this question,
What question? Ah the big Russia versus Poland? I don't think you need to go back to 16th century. While we are on it I would like to briefly adders this point. Democratic governments are by definition inefficient. It is so Much more true without the modern technology. Facing authoritarian centralized tyrannies is a only one of many complex issue. Short handing it like you did - doesn't explain anything. Thing is Commonwealth kept electing foreign nobles who had no understanding or knowledge of the Polish system and customs (with one or two exception) - thus lie the crux of the matter. Beside like Ottomans cutting off 'the silk road" effectively cutting Poland off far east trade. Like a climate change that undermanned further Polish agriculture based economy, and so on...
Alas, Poland is not weaker than Russia. At the moment Russia has bigger military and nukes. Economically distance is not that great. In 1920 so about 100 years ago Poland was the one stronger. In WWII Russia need Germany to conquer Poland. Same in 1793 Prussia And Russia not Russia alone.
So the OP premise is rather silly. what is now can be something else in the future.
Actually it's the other way around...the Russians are related to the german blue bloods (Catherine the Great was prussian)....as are most european royals.
....following are of German descent:
Royal Family of Belgium Royal Family of United Kingdom Royal Family of Denmark Royal Family of Liechtenstein Royal Family of Luxembourg (Now Italian House of Bourbon-Parma but historically Germanic House of Nassau) Royal Family of Holland Royal Family of Norway
....In the past German House of Habsburg has even ruled Spain & Mexico. Hohenzollerns ruled Romania. German houses also ruled Greece and some other countries....
More German superiority from BB..... LOL!!!! You just can't stop these Germans can you? Once they have an idea in their heads......it's all donner und blitzen!
I keep posting such things also to comfort the Dirk's of this forum who seem to be so incredibly concerned about the coming doom of the german people to show that this is an unnecessary worry...Germans are just everywhere (even if not always in name)...we can't die out or be overtaken, heh:)
But you miss the point....lies,damn lies and statistics.....stats are the biggest lie of all..... You have nothing but your opinions and use lies to back them up. I just have my opinions,I don't need lies to back them up.....
Well..when you state your opinion that the moon is made up of blueberry yoghurt and I find only stats and facts pointing out, proving something totally different...nun ja...as much as I like you and think you are a really great guy...ummm....
