Why did Russia attack Poland in WW2?

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From the allies yes the Polish pilots were one of the best if not the best. Poland had one of the best fighter training schools in europe (I forget the name). Consider the fact that Germans had better planes and more planes on invasion day. Yet Poland with her planes managed to have close to 1:1 ratio in planes downed.

Now fast forward to the Battle of Britain. Poland used better technology of the Brits and we raped the Luftwaffe in many cases.

As far as technology is concerned I am strickly speaking of the late 1930s.
Much of Polands equipment was bought and upgraded from other countries thats why there is little mention of it.

Yeah....sure...you were better than everybody! Suuuure! You kicked mighty ass! ;)

Best soldiers
Best commanders
Best weaponry
Best tech
Best pilots
Best fighting spirit

...did I miss something? :)
Poland rocked in WWII ;)

again I am talking about Sept 1939 only. the germans did not have high number of pzIIIs in the invasion.
their tanks were clunkers like the polish tanks as well. tigers and other high quality german tanks did not participate in the beginning.

Only CR had some serious tanks in the period of German attack the Skoda which were later used by Germans in front against Poland.Actually most polish successes were against these skoda tanks.

I think they had on average better commanders - the 1939 campaign has shown many deficiencies of Polish commandership - especially on higher levels - the higher the level the worse it looked -

No offense but you are starting to turn out to be an uneducated person.
No one said Poland is the best here and no one said were better than everybody.
We got our asses kicked because of number 1 reason numbers.

PS. Enjoy your German pride because you only beat smaller European nations but when it came to giants you lost :)

WHY???

I'm just repeating your opinion! If that looks ridiculous....don't blame me! :)


Problem was we fighted all at the same time...GB/France declared a world war because of you, if they hadn't done that you would speak German by now! (And the other half Russian probably).

Think about that when you whine and moan about GB or France again...

Germans had way better telecommunications in tanks(Soviets did not even have radiofrequencies) and much better tactics.Germans had also better assault rifles and machine guns.

I clearly stated no one including myself thinks Poland was better than anyone else.
If English isnt your first language I cant help it.

Oh, I forgot the acoustic torpedo... what a long list of mediocrity... :D

you are completely wrong here - the percantage of foreign made planes in Polish air force in 1939 was less than 10 per cent definitely (if not verging on non-existent) -

you are speaking only of Air Force. I am speaking of ground, air, and water in general.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bofors_37_mm

Imported from Sweden slightly upgraded to meet Polish standards.

completely wrong here - Pz I's formed the bulk of the German armored force in Septebmer 1939

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Poland_(1939)#Opposing_forces

this and the rest of the phrase about the Germans states exactly what I have said.
numbers were the number 1 reason Germany beat Poland.
and number 2 was planes.

I don't think so...


So, the polish army was badly led and badly equipped.
Just a dose of reality!


If numbers were your main concern Poland should have given in to negotiations with Germany
(whose numbers didn't came out of nowhere) to avoid any war...but Poles of that time liked to talk big as in "in one week in Berlin".

Yes if Poland join Germans in ww2 we all would be speaking German now.
There was a bigger plan in works and Poland was used then sacrificed for bigger agenda.

From Pike's Letter to Mazzini

""The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm." 3

Thread is wandering...

It's not as if Germany was even making particularly unreasonable demands (the return of a 95% German city and an extraterritorial corridor across land which cut Germany in two).


"Poland wants war with Germany and Germany will not be able to avoid it even if she wants to."

Comparatively, German economy was much better.
Budged of antebellum Poland was a few times smaller than German budged. Additionally, Poles were refused a credit to develop their industry while German were recipient of substantial financial aid - mostly from the Wall Street bankers.

Think is BB, German had crucial advantage in planes 2000 as opposition to 600 plus, and tanks, no matter PzI or other.
As for better lead, well Poland was encircled by German forces even before the war started, in that situation only moron would lose.
I'm not saying that German Army was bad in the military sense of the word.
Plus the Red Army was your ally.
Hope it does sink in this time.


Yeah she should.


Provide some source other than that rag or shut up!


Really? So did Germans and what more they acted on it.

The reason why Wehrmacht was as good as it was was because of modern training and awesome commanders, thats pretty much it.


Everyone had them.


Everyone had it.


Everyone had the technology, it just was not economic enough to build them, not even for the Germans, see fuel consumption, basically all inventions you listed either existed as counterparts or had been in design stage and not produced for economic reasons.

Assault rifles have been designed and even built decades before WW2, Germans just started mass producing one, they did not invent nor were they the first to field one (Russians or French were).


Silly chauvinist arguments, most german inventions are simply applications of inventions by other nations, paperclip was done for the same reason why Germany drains Polands scientists today, you can never have too few brainiacs, Germany loved to field weirdo projects but thats what they were, other countries had the technology but did not waste resources.

For the cost of one ME262 you could build four mustang fighters and they used less fuel in one mission than that plane.

Stop masturbating about how awesome the german technology was, much of what they had was copied or based on other peoples work.


However the technology level was the same, its the money that Poland was short on.

Can't attack the facts so instead you attack the messenger. How very Polish of you.


I can't recall ever hearing the German army boasting about being in Berlin in one week. And I also can't recall even a single German politician saying "Germany wants war with Poland, and Poland may not be able to avoid it even if she wants to."

Then why "Operation Paperclip" ;)


You are just jealous! I understand that... :)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_military_technology_during_World_War_II

No, electric submarines which could operate entirely submerged were a German invention.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Type_XXI_submarine


No, submarines with air-independent propulsion were built by other countries only in the 50s.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-independent_propulsion


All these technologies were first built by Germany, and many post-war designs of the Soviet Union and the USA are based on German designs. You have to wonder why they didn't use their own design, since they, according to you, all already had the technology.


Since you know so much, please add your knoweledge to this article:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmgewehr_44
LOL, the name "assualt rifle" is even based on the German word Sturmgewehr, and the AK-47 is based on this German design... :D

Not really, any idiot can edit wikipedia and there's even more german chauvinists today than there were german nazis 65 years ago, the point is you and people like you make it all up just like the case with Poznań, Germans can't admit they're not superior or even slightly ahead:)


Thats rubbish mate, the problem with you is that you have no knowledge and base your posts on opinions.

The first assault rifle for example is the avtomat fiodorowa wz 16 which in turn was a perfected version of the same assault rifle developed in 1912.

pl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Plik:Fedorov_avtomat.jpg&filetimestamp=20100130151436 the first jet plane was built in 1910 by Henry Coanda.

There's more to it but i dont really feel like educating a pretentional moron, none of the technologies you listed were developed by Germans, none.

The reason why Germans applied new technologies were because they were getting their arse kicked and got desperate, the reason their enemies did not apply same technologies was because they didnt need to/couldnt afford to (as with Poland) but they all had the same technologies.


Assault rifle and automatic carbine are interchangable and Stg44 is actually a late comer, the automatic guns have been messed with for a very long time (30 years) by various countries, they were however insanely expensive to build (the cost of a single stg44 equaled 12 MP44s) so most countries did not bother with them untill the manufacturing technologies became affordable, Germany did because again it was desperate.

Nun ja...I told you before, why don't you edit wiki with your facts then, if that's so easy?

And we are so superior! Weaponry "Made in Germany" is best now as it was 70 years back...we have a tradition to uphold! ;)

No its not, US weapons are still the best, you just offer the economy class in weaponry today, good quality for good price but if you want great quality US is the only place to get it, more money = better tech.

The whole idea of "Germany was so superior" is propagated by US, France and UK because quite frankly their armies were p*ssies.

When Russians faced massive dug in german formations they ran over them in a week disregarding losses, when the Allies landed in Normandy they pranced around like fags for a month because their soldiers were cowards and their commanders inept.

When Poles fought at Bzura and polish units faced up to 70% casulities they kept going, when Russians or Germans faced 70% casualities they kept going, when Brits or US army faced 30% casualities they instantly recalled the operation and screamed they were getting massacred.

So of course they want the world to know how awesome Germany was, how Poland was overrun in 10 minutes or how Russia was really saved by the five sacks of corn they sent it and would lose otherwise , it makes the fact that France rolled over like a coward and US and UK couldnt fight their way out of a wet paper bag hurt less.

Allied forces ( with our help ) rocked , that`s why Germany lost it :)


Don`t discuss with this man coz it is unworthy and pure waste of your time. He has got the knowledge of history facts which no one is aware of .

Maybe onbe day he will write a book titled " My own history " or even better "WWII - history rewritten" .

That is not as clearcut as it may seem.

Soviet AK47 is still the most reliable banger even though the MP40 machine guns were cute. Kosovo's terrorists liked them too in late 1990's. They must have held a supply from WW2 times.

I heard that during WW2 some Soviet tanks were actually superior to some German tanks, especially the Tiger monster that would be unreliable and just impractical on a battle field. Germans also ran like cattle when Soviets shot their Katyusha artillery.

Show 'em! ;)

Two of those three armies managed campaign and war victories over the Germans while simultaneously fighting on a second front. How did Poland's army do?


Oh look: my favourite liar is back! What gems for us do you have today.


Well, no one who has not read a history book, which explains why the facts of history are unknown to you.


There's no need for that to be done, dear lady: the truth about WWII is very known and written about. The lies about things from timetables for invasions in 1939 to invitations to parades in 1946 have already been dealt with and will continue to be dealt with each time your ilk tell such tall tales. Talking of tall, I'm still waiting for you to reply to my pointing out your lies about Warsaw skyscrapers, do feel free to pop into that thread and make more things up!