Poland during the Renaissance

That's true. There are many more which are worth saving, but aren't being looked after. In a generation they'll be gone.

Thank you all this thread has been very interesting, and didnt become a TOTAL p!ss fest. Im going to look more into midieval and renaissance Poland. I have question, did Poland at the time ever develop a national army? Im not expecting something like a French Levee en masse but did we have one? or was it more the feudal system of lords and knights? Though I don't see how the feudal system could have produced winged hussars, well I can but I like to pretend I can't ;) and what type of army fought the Teutons at Tannenburg?

This is the best Website about the polish renaissance wars and warfare in english in my opinion.

jasinski.co.uk/wojna/develop/dev01.htm

Enjoy!

Thank you for the source it was most educational

Yeah,spot on mate,put in favourites to look through later.

During that time we have given a freedom for Jews who could settle in Poland unlike to other countries .

These days Jews can`t find their identity because they were treated with too much freedom in our country , so now you don`t know who you are , you go to extreme deniial of everything what`s polish ,

Remind me how many Jews were allowed to live in the city of Warsaw prior to the Prussian occupation. My understanding is that after 1527 the total number was one (although his family were allowed to live with him until he died and then they had to leave the city). Too much freedom?

Yeah too much freedom !

//jbuff.com/c032307.htm
"The Ghetto in Venice was of course not the first nor the last European Jewish ghetto. As early as 1179, the third “Lateran Council” of the Catholic church decided that Christians should not live together with Jews (Lateran refers to SEXTUS LATERANUS."

The numbers of Jews in Poland //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland
" From the founding of the Kingdom of Poland in 1025 through to the early years of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth created in 1569, Poland was one of the most tolerant countries in Europe.[2] Known as paradisus Iudaeorum (Latin for Jewish paradise) it became a unique shelter for persecuted and expelled European Jewish communities and a home to the world's largest Jewish community. According to some sources, about three-quarters of all Jews lived in Poland by the middle of the 16th century".

This is what Poland brought to Renaissance Europe !!!!

If someone is interested in reading about this subject you can find such info in wiki /en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_in_Poland. But in my opinion is that - it is a waste of time to start a thread about the subject which can be studied by yourself. There are so many ways to do it . After studing if you have some dilema it understandable to ask for further explanation of the problem .


You are so funny , check the meaning in encyclopedia

It is more interesting that despite the often heard (from Poles) claim that Poland was paradise for Jews, Jews were forbidden from living in the capital city for almost all the time Poles had any say over the matter from 1527 to 1918.

The numbers show how accurate you are :

"The census for 1792 records 6,750 Jews in Warsaw, forming 9.7% of the total population:

-- 30.4% of those economically active were engaged in commerce or as taverners

-- 26.7% in craft or industry

-- 41.4% in undefined occupations, and

-- 1.5% in domestic employment or as simple laborers. "

At that time overal amount of Jews in Poland was 750 000 , total amount of Jews around the world was 1.2 mln . More than half inhabited Polish territory .

Your view is just your sole opinion not shared by majority . You should ask Russians why there were pogroms , as they took over Warsaw during the years 1795-1918 and made them without our agreement as we didn`t have our government at that time .

Why would Hitler bother to settle a Warsaw Ghetto if there were no Jews in Warsaw ?

And 1792 just happens to be the year in which a select group of Jews were allowed back into the city.


This is not opinion: this is historical fact! Refer, for example to the 1527 De non tolerandis Judaeis decree of Zygmunt the Old. Or Zygmunt August's 1570 decree which forbade Jews from living closer to the city than two miles. Or the decree of the Sejm in 1768 which removed the ban on Jews living in other cities in Mazovia but retained it for Warsaw.


By that time there were.

You are a storry teller man , we did`t have any ghettos in Poland before Hitler . Sorry you feed yourself upon hatred

No, I just repeat the facts which seem to vanish from Wikipedia. Do you have anything to say about any of the decrees which I mentioned or do perhaps you prefer to focus on me rather than on the historical facts?

Erm.ahem,um,one problem with that.............Im not Jewish,you strange man.

What the F are you talking about?

According to a census in 1765, 2,519 Jews lived in Warsaw. By 1792, the Jewish population nearly tripled to 6,750.

6,750 out of 120,000 aint that bad. and, by 1910, the population reached 337,000 (38% of the total population of Warsaw).

Cities like Lodz, Kraków, Gdansk had even larger jewish communities.


Tell me in what other cities in Europe jews where alowed to live and make a living? besides in Poland. In Poland Jews could stay in whatever city they wanted too while most of the other counties in Europe banned them or put them into ghettos.

Any city in Scotland. Unlike the rest of Europe (including Poland) there was never any legislation regarding Jews.

I can't imagine many jews living in Scotland in those times. 1? 2? maybe 10?

Poland had over 750.000 jews and needed legislation since they were a minority just like it is today with minorities.

I don't doubt that.

I think he meant that:


I think the change in 1768 has something to do with the partitions? I'm not sure though....


Prussia... :)

jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0016_0_16145.html

Eh>?what partitions ?Change was due to the king who started to consolidating his kingdom, starting with legislation and economy.
Former ban from the city was a result of unfair competition in all the things the city's people did at the time to prosper.

The partitions three stages -1772, 1793, 1795.

Of course...blame the Jews...*nods*
Yes, that was the motto of these days....even today with some...

Well, be fair: they had completely cornered the market in the industry of draining the blood of Christian children to make their weird bread with!

Jews were an competition for towns people from the middle ages to pre-industrial time, is not question of prejudice is a fact.
Competition in production, trade and banking.

Is not a coincidence that Jews were banned and exiled from western European country's were a merchants had been organized and strong, hence they could pressurise monarchs to drive a competition away !

\whatever they presented a real danger to the interest of merchants or there was element of prejudice - no matter- in Poland Jews become a populous minority and clashed with Poles over economy.

Hey the topic is the Renaissance in Poland \!

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Well...and the non-Jews had not been competitors to the other Poles?

But you are right...the Nuremburg laws in Germany and all what followed had been also one huge invitation to grab as many of their neighbours riches and get rid of unwanted competition. Germans had not been different than Poles in that regard....

Happened in Germany, you will not change that,


I know that is what you try to convey here all along.
Point is that I find Germans quite nice and friendly as individuals.......they had been grover by criminals and soon to be criminals since 1871. Prussian government to bunch of immoral, stupid and foul as-holes, unfortunately they imposed they they sick mentality over all Germans !

see you off topic -night

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Well...it's called the "Nuremburg laws"...as in Nuremburg...as in Germany? Who want's to change that...

Your few left braincells must feel lonely. Why don't you just ignore my posts, I will do so with yours! I'm losing my patience with you....you are not worth it, just another ignorant arsehole!

:)
Are not Germans and Poles basically the some in that regard?

Lols,whats kazimierz then you loon?


Any city ,town or village in Britain for over 300 hundred years.....

Yes. The rule that (for religious Jewish people) that you have to walk to the synagogue, not go by car or horse & carriage, plus the need to be near sources of kosher food, has often created Jewish parts of town. A Ghetto however is more than that - in the case of Kazimierz (and the Grzybov) they are outside the old town boundaries for a reason.