Thats not quite my point,though we are closer on this in most ways.
No, its simple,brutal maths, despite what the official records may "prove" about Poland fielding the fourth largest force in the Allied armies this figure is vastly inflated by lots of,frankly,mouths being fed while wearing a uniform,not fighting soldiers or even genuine support troops,this doesnt take from the valiance of those few Polish Divisions who did fight,they fought like Lions,but, a hand full of Divisions versus the entire Red Army...
Its not even in the same ball park when put as bluntly as that,and frankly, bluntly is how Churchill saw things. " I would give faverouble references for the Devil if Hitler invaded Hell" was one of his lines about Stalin. At the time,Churchill,who had been fighting communists/leftists/anarchists a lot longer than any Poles had (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Sidney_Street ) knew he had to lie down with the devil in order to ensure his own countries survival so he kept the 10s of millions of Soviet soldiers sweet while anoying a few thousand Polish Aliies, sad,but true and real politic.
The problem it seems is emotion cannot be detached from the study of history for a lot of Poles and people of Polish descent, maybe Poles are not used to unbiased approaches to studying such things? Id have thought younger ones and those over seas didnt have the same excuse as the older generation but,nope.
But,thats obviously harsh, you should hear some of the utter rubbish some british people spout about their own history,its hilarious,maybe its just that same unfortunate minority being reflected in Poles on here?
So, you seriously think that two governments who discovered during a world war that one of their allies commited a war crime are as guilty of that crime as the government who coldly and in a calculating manner commited the act in total secret and who later tried their hardest to cover up the said crime?
Wow, wouldnt want you on any Jury against me for a parking ticket, Id end up with frikkin life or the chair.......
Maybe look at history and war through grown up eyes,better still,try and get into the mindset of people who can issue orders they know will lead to the deaths of thousands of their own countrymen and not blow their brains out,ie, sociopaths/politicians....they make the decisions,they shape history like it or not. No point in studying history expecting everyone to behave like goodies from Hollywood, hiding to nothing trying that path.....
No, its simple,brutal maths, despite what the official records may "prove" about Poland fielding the fourth largest force in the Allied armies this figure is vastly inflated by lots of,frankly,mouths being fed while wearing a uniform,not fighting soldiers or even genuine support troops,this doesnt take from the valiance of those few Polish Divisions who did fight,they fought like Lions,but, a hand full of Divisions versus the entire Red Army...
Its not even in the same ball park when put as bluntly as that,and frankly, bluntly is how Churchill saw things. " I would give faverouble references for the Devil if Hitler invaded Hell" was one of his lines about Stalin. At the time,Churchill,who had been fighting communists/leftists/anarchists a lot longer than any Poles had (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Sidney_Street ) knew he had to lie down with the devil in order to ensure his own countries survival so he kept the 10s of millions of Soviet soldiers sweet while anoying a few thousand Polish Aliies, sad,but true and real politic.
The problem it seems is emotion cannot be detached from the study of history for a lot of Poles and people of Polish descent, maybe Poles are not used to unbiased approaches to studying such things? Id have thought younger ones and those over seas didnt have the same excuse as the older generation but,nope.
But,thats obviously harsh, you should hear some of the utter rubbish some british people spout about their own history,its hilarious,maybe its just that same unfortunate minority being reflected in Poles on here?
They fair no better than the Soviets on the Katyn issue.
So, you seriously think that two governments who discovered during a world war that one of their allies commited a war crime are as guilty of that crime as the government who coldly and in a calculating manner commited the act in total secret and who later tried their hardest to cover up the said crime?
Wow, wouldnt want you on any Jury against me for a parking ticket, Id end up with frikkin life or the chair.......
Maybe look at history and war through grown up eyes,better still,try and get into the mindset of people who can issue orders they know will lead to the deaths of thousands of their own countrymen and not blow their brains out,ie, sociopaths/politicians....they make the decisions,they shape history like it or not. No point in studying history expecting everyone to behave like goodies from Hollywood, hiding to nothing trying that path.....