Poland paid off American Jewry in 1960

Nope,thats called paranoia,plain and simple. Plenty of jewish people would agree that the Israeli state is an abomination and an occupier of other peoples lands. Ultra Ultra orthadox Jews wont even set foot in Israel.are you going to call the anti semites too?Its a nation built on spurious grounds and forced into existence by terrorism and suicide bombings,now,when the locals fight back against european/american occupation with the same tactics you want us all to hate them and love you????

You'll have to cut Dessie a bit of slack.

Typing out that whole 'Zionist entity in Palestine' spiel every time must be giving him terrible tendonitis. I guess we don't really have to go into the irony of an American (y'know, European colonial entity in territories previously owned by the Sioux, Iroquois, etc) banging on about this, nor that Palestine itself is a construct formulated over the centuries by pretty much everyone (Greeks, Romans, The Franco British Palestine Border agreement of 1920, the British Empire's mandate for Palestine, etc, etc) except the indigenous residents of the region ...

Anyway, the above isn't only true of the USA or Israel, it's pretty much the house rules - doesn't every nation state have a land grab in its DNA somewhere?

You can argue as logically as you wish for or against the existence of the State of Israel,it doesnt matter though because the bottom line "justification" trotted out is always"we are gods chosen people and god gave us this land",frankly when you are dealing with that kind of BS what can you do but get p!ssed off? Simply saying,no,"you" stole it from the cannanites then the romans stole it from "you" then the christians took over untill the muslims took charge all the while plenty of jews were living there alongside everyone else.just doesnt seem to sink in. Nor does the irony that the reason the Jews stole land in the levant and displaced the local population through violence and rascism was down to the nazis doing exactly the same in europe...........

"isthatu2"-Can you even compare Israel's actions to the acts of the Germans in the past?
You're so cheap demagogue!
Every word that comes out of your mouth is with a hatred so great.
Everyone's opinion is certainly very important thing, But in your case I notice that things do not come out of your head but from somewhere else ... Maybe hatred? prejudice?!

You iven dare to speak on land stolen? Think hard when you talk out of stupidity.
Think of the 3.3 million Jews whose property was stolen? Just as I thought - the one that smells, think he does not stink!

Of course, the scale is different because Israel is dependent on the public opinion but israeli jews are definitely nazi and racist in their policies towards non-jews in the region.


Not at all he's very reasonable you're the one preaching prejudice.

Jews took the lands of others by force murdering and stealing in the process, their racial policies are those of the nazi germany sans industrial scale killing.


I didnt see any hate or prejudice in anyones post but yours.

sure he can and he is not the only one seeing things for what they are

Well, the arab population grows and grows....if Germans would treat them like they did with Jews they wouldn't.

Just recently as a gazan missile killed that 16 year old in the israeli school bus the Jews didn't march into the next arab village and killed all the inhabitants.

Maybe they should..and your bleeding hearts had a real reason to complain.

I didnt know about this guy, hat off to him, he's f*cking awesome.


Why? Jews, like Germans made it a habit of stealing other peoples land, whats wrong with fighting a thief? Oh wait you call oldest polish cities by german names and claim they're yours, Posen anyone? Seriously i hate Arabs, they're a bunch of unwashed subhuman monkeys just like Turks but as a Pole with so much history behind my nation i feel for them in that instance, Jews are the Germans of Middle East.

So what are you trying to say ?? Open season on arabs, go mossad?

That is a very complicated situation. There were about 3 million Jews living in Poland before WW2. Poland's borders are very different than today. So first we need to establish how many legitimate claims there may have been withing the current borders - perhaps less, perhaps more. After all, Poland is not responsible for properties in what is now Ukraine, Beloruss etc.

Now consider that about 60% of Poland's real estate was completely destroyed (Warsaw about 90%). After WW2 there most of the population simply didn't have anywhere to live. Many of those allegedly stolen buildings did not exists. They had to be built from ground up. In much of Warsaw they had to use historic paintings as the design "plans" as even the documentation was eradicated.

So tell me, how much would you like to receive for this kind of building:

- completely destroyed by Germans during WW2
- rebuilt by Poles after WW2
- today's value $1,000,000

My guess is as good as yours, so let's say the building I have in mind is shown in the attached photo of Warsaw in 1945. The building is located in the bottom left corner and it's about 1 meter tall

ww2incolor.com/d/465543-4/miastoruin11 - warsaw

You may also want to know that Poland is willing to reimburse former owners of properties on individual basis, not by giving a lump sum to some hit-and-run Jewish lobbyist from the US.

"sokrates"-You are also very "absolutely objective".
But what about the properties of 3.3 million Jews?
Yes, I understand you do not want salt on your wounds,ok.
During World War II were not Poles who "contributed" for the Naziz war effort Against Polish citizens of Jewish origin?
Damn! well you know everything. Why I was looking for to tell you something big for your understanding?

Just stating some pragmatic facts to counter that hyperbole as in "Israel is as bad as Nazi-Germany".

As they don't behave like Germans in Poland or in Russia even as they are confronted daily with a people wishing to annihilate them for decades now should mean something to you..but your hate is obviously bigger than the reality.

Yep he is, I have the deepest respect for him. Watch 'Defamation' (2009), an awesome doc, he is in it too.

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c5jsiLWXGYQ

Where? What property?


No, its an anti-polish lie propagated to blackmail Poland into giving away large sums of money.

Also learn to spell.

"sokrates"-"A man so smart like you" should already understand that the assets was belonging to Jews in Poland.

Those "assets" were bombed down to their foundations, we rebuilt them with our money, our effort and our sweat as such Jews lost all claim to them, unless they're willing to repay the costs of rebuilding the property? Also American jews are not related to those who owned something in Poland, they want the money on principle of being jews.

"sokrates"-yep! But I certainly can spell "anti-Semite", and "one who does not know To face with the facts & with the true historical facts!

You mean the facts you make up to suit your own prejudice?:) Thats not facts, its called lying.

"sokrates"-You choose to deny the fact that many properties in Poland still exist just as they were 65 years ago.
By the way, I am very interested to hear your "smart" explanation for Just how the buildings were built? On the air maybe? the Area did not belong to anyone?

Not really no, i merely state that most properties were either destroyed or there exist no direct relatives to claim them, american jews want money simply because they're jews, they have no link to said properties nor any legal claim to them.


Again only direct relatives can inherit, in more than 90% of these cases such relatives do not exist and i see no reason to give jews money or land simply because they want them.

"sokrates"-Now I fully agree with you!

That jews are a devilspawn bunch of nazis? Glad to hear that:))

"sokrates"-and Some Poles are Murderers of Jews.

You can not take a dumb person like you and try to explain to him how he Become to be dumb.
It's probably something genetic!

Well,lets see. A people from Europe felt their "race" had a God given right to territory in the East................


Thats from being a Scot raised in Yorkshire Im afraid.....the cheap part,not sure why you raise me to the level of demegogue though,thats just bizzare....


Oh get the hell over yourself buddy,check a few of my posts where I openly take the p!ss out of dumb arse anti semites before you go around making a silly fool of yourself and falling into the constant trap of being seen as an israeli bleating "anti semite" every time someone says something you dont like.......all you do is make a rod for the real haters to hit you with and in the process p!ss off people that would normally be your allies.


Yes,because I must hate the jewish members of my family,fcuk sake,your logic is at the level of a five year olds......


Yes, I dare,wtf you going to do,send mossad to illegally clone my passport? Simple, by terrorist acts and by murdering both Arabs and more disgustingly british veterns of WW2 your nation was created on the back of land grabs and murder. Expansion by armed aggression at a time when the rest of the world was abandoning imperialism and its tactics your nation decide to embrace them.


Again,get the fcuk over yourself. The Jewish people ,as unbelievable as you may find this,were not the only people affected by WW2. Do you really think that only 3.3 million people lost proparty in WW2? And,lets look at this 3.3 million figure,didnt they all die? If they died how do you give them back this so called stolen proparty? Come on Einstien answer that one.


Er,wtf are you babbling on about mate? If I read this right you have jumped to a rascist conclusion that A, Im Polish and therefore B, being Polish Im responsible for what some Polish jews went through 70 odd years ago.......................again,get the fcuk overyourself.

The world has sympathy for the jewish victims of WW2,what it doesnt have sympathy for is slimey little twats like yourself riding on the coat tails of murdered people and expecting some sort of special treatment down to what their grandparents may have gone through in WW2,in short,get the fcuk out of here.

Your grandparents saw some horrible things in the war,my condolances....guess what,my grandparents actually fought and killed nazis,stick that in yer pipe and smoke it.

Sok, you can't tar everyone with the same brush. There are many noble Jews. I believe this matter should have been dealt with long ago but, while there is business involved.....

Why do they never come on here then?
All we ever get are bleating ones who seem to want to tell Poles just how evil they were/are at the drop of a homburg.........

Im gussing this fella hasnt come across any of my posts with moania.lols, why do they do it? jews in Britain almost never scream anti semite in a debate,its always the bloody israelis, I swear,the touchiness is soooooooooooooo Polish its almost funny,in an ironic sort of way,or maybe its only us goyem non Poles who see this?..............oy fekking vay indead.

Quit that.
The "anti-semite" card is wearing out and it is increasingly becoming devoid of the real meaning. You can't call anti-semitic anybody who disagrees with any Jew on any matter. That's just idiotic.


Like some say that Jews are genetically greedy?
Oops, that may sound like anti-semitism. We are not allowed to get pissed off when Jews offend us.

There was no "Jewish" property in Poland, and there is none now. There was property belonging to individuals. Some were ethnic Poles, some were not. They can make claims and, to my knowledge, Poland will consider those claims on individual basis. You're too used to the fact that in some countries all you have to say is "boo!" and they pay up, like the Swiss did. I hope Poland will reject any "gang bang" claims from some gangster lawyers from New Your City.

If you granny has a legitimate claim to a property let her go for it. Get all the supporting documentation ready and and I wish her all the best. Just don't confuse an Israeli passport with a proof of ownership of property in Poland.

Hmmm, that's sort of Bernie Madoff-ish. So you probably agree with a childhood friend of mine who long ago said, "The only fault Jews' have is that they don't have any."

Not even the Saudis bother with that any more. They just say Israel.


In villages?


You mean expropriated the land.


Call it 50 years' back rent.

Ishatu2,wow,I am truly impressed with the last 2 posts of yours.


Yeah,he can't yet the Jews can?Anti Polonism is an official policy of the state of Israel and that's ok?Just watch the "Defamation".


Sure there are some decent people among the Jews e.g prof.Finklestein or Yoaw Shamir.


Most of the people everywhere but in Israel grow increasingly sick and tired of Jews playing "anti semitism" card.It is like they themselves ask for another holocoust.Personally I didn't really care about Jews or Palestinians (I think the best for all others would be if they have killed each other up to the last man),but after reading or listening what they say about Poland and Poles I ******* hate them just like THEY EXPECT me to.


I don't care wheter we are allowed or not,I am pissed and I will be until they shut their filthy mouths.