Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations?

I tend to agree, but for the ecumenical tilt the thread has begun to take.

Did I mention the Rothschilds anywhere? Did the Rothschilds sacrifice 6 million jews? Satanic aims? What the hell are you talking about? You sound like a paranoid- schizophrenic.


I never heard that one before. So I just checked the text of Sanhedrin 59a (in the original Aramaic/Hebrew text) and sure enough, your quote is not there. I did see there the opinion of Rav Meir quoted where he says that a non-Jew who studies torah is as holy as the high priest in the temple.

Poland, as a state, doesn`t owe anything to Jewish organizations in the USA.

Reasons:

1. Anybody can come to Poland and in Polish courts claim his/her rights to properties/real estate which belonged to their Jewish ancestors before, during or after WW2.

2. American Jewish organizations are frauds. They embezzle their own funds. E.g., infamous SInger who first shouted "[m]ore than three million Jews died in Poland and the Polish people are not going to be the heirs of the Polish Jews. We are never going to allow this.... They're gonna hear from us until Poland freezes over again. If Poland does not satisfy Jewish claims it will be publicly attacked and humiliated." and then he was fired from WJC for fraud.

haaretz.com/news/israel-singer-fired-from-wjc-for-allegedly-embezzling-funds-1.216275

3. The following quote suggests that US Jews should turn to US government for moral and financial compensation: Foreign Minister Sikorski declared on Polish Radio that "the United States gave up the right to represent its citizens in such cases" under a 1960 treaty, "and took the burden upon itself to pay out restitution money worth millions which Poland had already paid to the United States," adding gratuitously that "if the United States would have wanted to help Polish Jews, a good moment for that would have been 1943-44, when the majority of them were still alive."

This is true. The US did almost nothing to specifically help Jews in the holocaust. Obviously they fought Germany, but they could have let in refugees during the war and they didn't, they could have bombed auschwitz and they didn't. So his statement has a point. But this is the first I'm hearing that Poland paid compensation to the US, which included money due to former polish jews in the US. When did that happen?

Yehudi,mistakes were made as to why they didn't bomb Auschwitz,may have been that they didn't want to kill the Jews that were there,

Imagine the conversation we would have been having today if.not only did America not let the Jewish refugees in and killed them in
bombing of the concentration camps.Just a thought.America did help liberate though..

What they should have done is bomb the train tracks leading to the camps and they didn't. Many people bemoan that fact to this day We should have simply bombed the tracks.

were you in the USAF in WW2?

No, but I have attempted to educate myself by watching several documentaries on Auschwitz.

It was specified in Poland USA 1960 treaty in which

Under the US-Polish agreement in question, Poland undertook to pay $40 million to the US government over 20 years to compensate "nationals of the United States . . . against the Government of Poland on account of the nationalization or taking by Poland of property and of rights and interests in and with respect to property."

but Am Jews reject it as :

Simply put, the 1960 agreement does not apply to Holocaust survivors with claims regarding Polish properties since they were not nationals of the United States "at the time the loss accrued, or the injury was suffered or the claim accrued or arose."

thejewishweek.com/editorial_opinion/opinion/polands_foreign_minister_misspeaks_restitution

My current opinion:
1. Individuals who are able to prove their ownership must be repaid/compensated fully by the Polish state or local councils.
2. Jewish organizations should turn to US government for compensation.

But surely any Jewish Holocaust survivors who were Polish nationals who then went to reside in and become US citizens ARE included in the Polish-USA treaty of 1960. Surely they cannot be allowed to claim twice.

Much as it pains me I must say that is a very good post and I agree with it!


No, individual who got his compensation from the USA should be compensated by Poland.
No Jewish organization or individual which/who claim against Poland in the USA should be compensated by Poland as the USA.
The USA can compensate them all they want, that was an agreement from 1960 for!

No. The compensation covered people who had American citizenship at the outbreak of WW2.

During WWII millions of Polish citizens have died. A lot of them were Polish citizens who followed Judaism.

The question is: why on Earth should Poland pay to some international Jewish organization, like WJC, for Polish citizens lost in WWII?

And show me kindly at least one paragraph in an international law which would oblige Poland to do so.

There's no way to sugarcoat it, it's a holocaust industry at its worst, nothing else.

Members of Germany's AfD are insisting that Poland pay her "fair share" in Holocaust reparations.

If that's not a chuptzpah.....

I wish the Polish government would, frankly speaking, tell them to go f**k themselves.

The 1960 treaty makes it crystal clear that they can get lost.


That, to me, is straightforward. Get lost, Americans.

Quite impossible. Never heard of such demands. Or they mean not finances but "moral share."

I think this whole subject is a bit sick.
Who is making these claims on Poland?
Not many of the original owners of property I suspect....
Was it Polands fault that this happened?
If not,who!s fault was it?
So why are these people claiming on Poland?
To keep things in balance,what about lands and property taken by The Russians in Eastern Poland?
This was all so long ago and most of the victims are dead now.....time we let it go....

Agreed. I'm 100% against any and all property restitution claims.


A lengthy, but good read: ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-3338282,00.html

In short: Jewish-American interests with very powerful friends in the US Congress from both parties. Even the Israelis hate them.

In complete accord!

While Poland surely did no doubt retain considerable properties which belonged to numerous Jewish families before the Second World War, the lion's share of reparations should obviously fall to Germany, since after all those so-called "Polish" camps were actually located on "German-occupied" soil.

I like the "Even Israelis hate them" most.....so,in short,money grabbing scumbags....

Why would Germany pay for Jewish property that was confiscated by the Polish communists after the war? Will Poland pay reparations to the Germans who got expelled and lost their properties? Will the Russians pay reparations to the Poles who lost everything in the east? See...

Israelis do indeed become visibly, to an extent, rightfully irritated at American Jews in general, as during the Holocaust, the American Jewish (as opposed to the World Jewish) Congress essentially sat twiddling their thumbs while Hitler was busy making life a living hell for Europe's Jews!

Jews too supported Roosevelt, ever so sadly still reviled by many of us for having the S.S. Missouri turned back to Europe.. and to certain death.

You could argue that it is because they started the war.
But as I posted earlier, time this was all forgotten about and laid to rest.

But they are not responsible for what happened after the war. You could as well blame the Americans and Brits for handing Poland over to the Russians.


I agree. The question of reparations is almost impossible to solve.

The issue here concerns what happened during, rather than simply after the war! No, in this instance, Germany remains the one who bares the financial burden for reparations to those descendants of families living in occupied Poland, no dice.

Whilst I agree with your statement.


TheOther is right on this one.

A stalemate then? What do you think?

An NGO which claims to represent all the Jews: those who lives, those who died, and those who may or may not be born in the future or even those who consider converting to Judaism in the future :-P I'm making fun of it because it sounds so absurd that one can't take it seriously. The threat is real though.

Basically, this whole claim is based on some form of religious tribalism - which is obviously not represented in an international law - which ignores nationality and citizenship of Polish citizens who's got killed by Germans during WWII. That's exactly what Norman Finkelstein called a "holocaust industry"; a very shady organisation. Their claims are not only legally baseless but they sound more like an attempted extortion, which is a criminal activity.

The families of legal owners, of any nationality, can claim their lost property in a regular Polish courts. There are cases in which they won but the claim needs to be legal and well documented.

I disagree. If the Soviets or the Polish communists had wanted to solve the issue, they could've done it right after the war. That didn't happen. Instead they confiscated the property of the former Jewish owners who were either dead, had fled or were expelled. The USSR and Poland could've easily corrected the situation that the Germans left behind. They chose not to.


Absolutely. Poland will almost certainly refuse to pay because it would open a can of worms with former German owners otherwise. Not going to happen.

That's because Israel two timed the Soviet Union. Stalin was arguably the first leader to recognize Israel and the Zionists received massive support form the Soviet Union. The commies thought that Israel would establish a socialist society and be an ally of the Soviet Union, afterall they helped them get their own country. But no, instead Israel filled immediately to the USA and the West. Stalin and his fellow commies underestimated the treachery and deceit of the common Jew/Zionist. Had they read the Talmud, they'd know what kind of people they're dealing with. State sponsored vilification of the jews lasted will into the 60's and early 70's in the Soviet Union and satellite states.