Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations?

I understand your stand but our discussion has evolved into a direction which directly leads to the bin. You`d better move it to another thread, e.g., Where does Poland, the people of Poland stand with the Palestine/Israel issue

polishforums.com/news-politics-4/poland-people-poland-stand-palestine-israel-issue-39560

but I can`t promise I will follow you there as the issue is of no importance to me now.

No such thing and a very loaded term.


Claim what? That he's a Communist (his own words) or a Conspiracy Theorist (read his book).


Very much so. The links between the Jewish people and Poland go very deep - one can't separate Jewishness from Warsaw's history, nor can one dodge the issue of confiscated property.

What is such a person? You know what conspiracy theorists used to be called? Journalists.
Now anyone who questions the status quo is dismissively labelled as such without anyone ever having to justify why.
I'm asking you to give some examples of why you write so negatively about him but the best you've managed is "read the book."


No such thing as what, the Holocaust Industry? So you're saying no one's made their livelihood off of their real or perceived attachment to the Holocaust? What does that word mean? What is it's origin? Is it a loaded term too? What does it mean for a term to be "loaded?"

Don't be so silly.


Next you'll be saying that Primo Levi 'cashed in' by writing his memoirs of the camps!

And Israelis are?

Dismiss/deflect and provide nothing of substance- you are consistent.


A childishly paranoid response.

But nevertheless one that rings true. At least you haven't tried to cast doubt on the numbers murdered.

Yes, they are. The ancestors of today`s Israelis spent hundreds of years in Europe and acquired European standards. Look at the political system in Israel - the only democracy in the region, surrounded by dirty dictatorships.

You can see why people are starting to call Israelis, "the new Nazis", next thing they will be digging pits. getting 10 year old boys to kneel in front of them, and then shooting them in the back of the head.

Oh, silly me, I forgot, they already did it in 1947, Read about it here folks:-

Yes I know jon, another Jewish liar and conspiracy theorist just like anyone else who dares reveal Israels sins and deceit, best to lock em up eh?

I don`t think so.


:):):):)

The main sin of Jews was the fact they were unable to prevent fellow Europeans from murdering them by thousands, then by millions throughout centuries.

Finally, Jews decided to do sth about it.

Holocaust denial, shouldn't people be locked up for this?

Do you expect me to comment on your void posts? :):):):)

I think we are getting off topic here, let me steer it back a touch.
If Jews expect Poland to provide reparations for the homes and land they lost in WW2.
Shouldn't they set an example and provide reparations for the land they steal to this day from Palestinians?

Which Jews exactly?


Nobody is dodging anything.

But if you knew history, you would know that not only Jews were wronged during and after WW2. Poles were too.

Sorry, years 1939-1989 was the Time of Trouble for Poland and 99% people who lived here.

And whenever the Time of Trouble takes place on Earth, do not expect to receive the earthly justice.

You will receive it in Heaven.

Therefore, never lose hope.

The issue in hand isn't about 'anyone else' it is about one particular person - who is a conspiracy theorist of the worst kind.


The real estate in question is in Poland, not Israel and whatever you personally believe the shortcomings of that country to be, it is has nothing whatsoever to do with property claims here.


Unfortunately there's an element in this country who believe that no property should be returned.


I do know history, thank you - however two groups being wronged by the same party isn't a good reason to allow members of one group to have the permanent use and 'ownership' of the homes of members of the other group even when claimed by the heirs of the rightful owners.


An interesting thought, Pawian, however if that were the basis of any kind of law suit - not only property claims - nothing would ever get done.

No, no they are not. My atlas says Israel is in the middle east. Give it a swirl and tell us what yours says.


So what?

Lets say a third generation Turkish immigrant family living in Athens decide to pack up and relocate back to their homeland due to the economic mess in Greece. They return back to their ethnic homeland and have children in Turkey. Are their kids Turkish or european?


Its a Jewish state for Jewish people. The same people are calling for multiculturalism in europe, and only in europe. Never in their beloved Jewish state.

Compare this....
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To this....

Israel must remain an ethnic Jewish nation and the problem to peace in the Middle East is that the Palestinians don't want to accept that, Israeli ambassador to the U.S. Michael Oren has said

Do as I say, not do as I do.

If "rightful" - it's OK. Unfortunately, often these "heirs' are cheats and liars.

Except that we didn't.

Let me ask you a simple question: If Israel has any policy of exterminating Arabs, how is it that i see Arabs in the street and in stores every day here in my Israeli town? How can it be that they're in the parliament, are treated (and employed) in israeli hospitals and sit in classrooms with everyone else in Israeli universities. How can it be that there are arabs living all over israel leading normal lives and enjoying more political rights than any citizen of an arab country? If we are the new nazis, how can all that be true? And yet I see it every day! You simply have no idea about what Israel really is, and instead you just repeat lies and bullshit. I have nothing against arabs. I do have something against filth like you.


For the benefit of anyone who thinks that PR actually knows something about Israel, the only ones that did ethnic cleansing in the middle east are the arabs:

Every inch of land conquered by the arab forces in 1948 was "cleansed' of Jews. On the other hand, arabs continue to live in Israel to this day. Jews were forced out of Iraq and Egypt leaving all their property behind. Arabs practice ethnic cleansing in Sudan, Iraq and Egypt, against christians and jews. Where's your concern for ethnic cleansing when the arabs are doing it?

I think it's practically illegal to do that in some places. Odd you would bring that up though, is this just you going fishing?

What lovely, peace loving people Israelis are........



Get off the Palestinians damn land and take the jews in europe with you.

You must think us human cattle are stupid, do you really think we don't know what you are doing?, that we don't see your Apartheid wall and your checkpoints, that we don't see the films of you dropping phosphorous bombs on schools full of Palestinian children, that we don't see how you murder piecefull activists and aid workers because they try and help what you call Amalekites, a people God told you to kill every man, woman and child of.

Cheap....


Silly.....


Crap.


Yaaawn.....

Guys, anything intelligent from you?

And this juxtaposition:


Seem to be intelligent and valid.

Sorry, my requirements for intelligent discourse seem a bit higher than yours. :):):):):)

Because you do not understand the union of hypocrisy and have an inability to have joined-up reasoning in the two points shown by Peter does not make me or him less intelligent than you. The opposite, in fact.

Or so he said.

Question - what have he been doing on the Polish land?

Answer:

enjoying it after the treaty of St. Petersburg, January 26, 1797, declared

"to abolish everything which could revive the memory of the existence of the Kingdom of Poland, now that the annulment of this body politic has been effected…the high contracting parties are agreed and undertake never to include in their titles…the name or designation of the Kingdom of Poland, which shall remain suppressed as from the present and forever…"

but I am sure he thinks that it was legal, proper and just.

To this day Russians, Germans and Jews believe they have legal rights to properties in Poland, which were confiscated from Polish owners during partitions and uprisings and given or sold for nothing to them. The victors' justice... I guess we have only ourselves to blame.

pawian opinion ? His opinion is a mainstream opinion on any given subject - or almost any subject !


Drawn a line ?err you lost me ..

Partly what x7 refers to in the last para. What about dispersed Polish orphans throughout Russia maybe their grandchildren? The Polish in the UKs resettlement camps maybe some cash to the UK government for the initial cost incurred etc.

I hope that you are not teaching your students that Israel is in europe.