Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations?

I do too!

Really, what the nay-sayers are doing is classic projection; they project onto the Jews the awful qualities they the anti-semites themselves possess such as anger, viciousness etc...

^So in your mixed up logic it's okay if some members of a tribe take from others AND have returned to them what was taken from some other members of their "tribe?"

So,what did you lose and demand to be "returned" to you?As a guest i can not post links but yesterday I read an interview with prof.Finkelstain who's familiy actually lost property in Poland and who could be demanding compensation yet he doesn't and says he is not going too.In this interview he also calls Jewish Congress and Jews like you crooks and thieves and he is right.Bottom line is if you lost something in Poland go there and demand compensation in a court and if didn't just f u c k off.

I lost nothing. I speak on behalf of those who did.

Did they gave you any rights to do so?Prof.Finkelstain says he does not want anybody,Jews or non Jews to speak on behalf of him and his rights to compensation.Also before the war my grandfather but also many more Polish people were ripped off by Jews.Now,my question is WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO COMPENSATEME?

I also knew someone who was arrested and tortured by UB after the WW2 and he told me there was many Jews among UB crimminals.I think you should pay me for that too.

i am not greedy pay me $100k for his suffering.After all i believe you want be right and just.Or am I wrong?

"Ripped off"???

You don't understand then the meaning of "ripped off". "To rip off" = kradzić = to steal, purloin, take what doesn't belong to someone

As the Jews stole nothing from the gentiles,but rather VICE-VERSA, I don't see your point at all-:)

This thread is not about suicide bombings. I am under no obligation to say anything about them. Harry's claim that my not mentioning Palestinian suicide bombing, in a thread about Jewish demands for WW2 reparations from Poland, proves that I believe Jews are sub humans is completely ridiculous and his "feeling" that I thereby support "the final solution" is an example of completely obnoxious flaming by a person with absolutely no sense of decency, Here we see a "gang of three" doing their worst to take a thread off-topic. Thankfully this forum has members with a sense of decency that try to reason with them:


This reasoning is unfortunately responded to with yet another off-topic non-sequitor:


The moderators are here reading this thread, as one can see by their admonishment of Lzyko in post #334. Why do they allow this flaming and off-topic posting without admonishment, editing, or removal of the posts?


I certainly have never stated on this thread that individual Jews, with legitimate claims, are acting disgracefully if they seek redress in Polish courts. Harry is putting forth a straw man fallacy if his comments are directed at me, for I agree with 07 zglos sie:


This thread seems to have exposed quite a bit of hypocrisy on the part of those who support Poland paying reparations to Jewish organizations while also supporting the denial of individual Palestinian's property rights.


We all await Harry's answer to this question. Will we get it, or just some more off-topical illogic coupled with unfounded accusations of anti-Semitism?

My typo, 'scuse:-)

'Nazis' refer to German adherents of the Nazi Party, nothing more, nothing less.
I shan't even dignify your response with a reply. What did Jews "kraść", eh? If you're so smart.

" ^So in your mixed up logic it's okay if some members of a tribe take from others AND have returned to them what was taken from some other members of their "tribe?" "

Sorry, I was unaware that Poland had finally passed a property restitution law, can you go into details about it?

Dessie, love your off-topic whining about flaming, don't you think that your complaints would be more likely to be listened to if you apologised for your repeated outbursts of homophobic abuse rather than simply lying about having posted it?

DE and Harry, you both will be out if you don't behave and stay on topic. Enough of your crap.

The Jewish shopkeeper did not give the change to my at that time 12 y/o grandfather.You don't call it a ripp off?
I wonder what your tribe have done to the Germans that they decided to annihilate your kind like a pest?Kinda hard to believe that the Jews were innocent and only bad Germans,oops sorry,Nazis woke up some day with a thought "It seem to be a good day to eliminate all these nice Jews like cockroaches as we (the Nazis) have nothing better to do today".So, what have you done to them that they had to take up such drastic measures???Tell us.

Yeah, so your grandfather says. He'll never admit to the truth, will he?


Actually, what's ridiculous is that you seem to support any actions against Jews, no matter how terrible. Yet you criticise them for doing the same sort of thing back - which proves your agenda.


Holocaust denial is illegal in some countries, you know.

In the matter of the holocaust, to which you refer, they were entirely innocent.


Entirely the same. They believed that behaviour was somehow predicated by race or nationality. Science knows that to be false as did good people back then.

And who is denying it?I only want to know what the Jews have done to the Germans,damn it sorry again Nazis,that they had take up so drastic measures to defend themselves?There had to be something as nothing is happening without a cause.


Well that's what Jews say but to get a clear picture we should listen to what Germans/Nazis have to say on the subject and the truth will be most likely in between.

I don't believe that such sophisticated and civilized nation as Germans would gas humans with diesel fumes without a reason.

What did Poles do to the Germans to justify such brutal actions towards them? As you say - they had to take up such drastic measures against them...

Oops, sorry, that doesn't fit into your holocaust justification (a crime, incidentally) - does it?

'defend themselves'
yeh right.
'sophisticated and civilized??????????
what?
they could have been asked to leave, perhaps? If Germans were so 'civilised'

It's all been through the wash, the murderers' motivations were in print long before they did it and discussed long after. A few are still alive even now. Adolf Eichmann at his trial said that he did what he did because he had been told to.


'In between' what?


Their reason was evil, insecurity and hatred with a heavy dose of paranoia and racialistic/nationalistic pseudoscience. They didn't only use diesel fumes, they used a whole host of foul methods, including Zyklon B and and shooting men women and children, to murder 6 million Jews all across Europe. As Hans Frank, the governor of Poland wrote in a letter about the Birkenau Death Camp not long before he was caught "we can explain away a lot, but not this".

They were. Poland refused to take them in - one of the more shameful incidents in Polish history. And one of the most bizzare - they had people who were almost certainly going to be very pro beating up Germany - and they treated them badly!

" They didn't only use diesel fumes,"
They barely used diesel at all: all the AR camps used petrol engines, as is shown by the testimony of the hasmeisters, Fuchs, Bauer and Hodl.

Law and logic are not synonymous.

I do not support any terrible actions against Jews. If it "seems" to you like I do then you have a problem with reading comprehension. I have repeatly denied being an anti-Semite and I have said absolutely nothing on this thread, or any on other, to make it "seem" otherwise.


I do know that it is. Are you accussing me of having denied the holocaust? I most certainly have not denied it.

Your lack of criticism of terrorist acts by Palestinians suggests an agenda.


Holocaust denial is illegal in Poland - did you know?

I don't care what you think my "lack" of statements about anything suggests. Delphiandomine, stop trying to make this thread about me and things I have not said. You are trying to take this thread off-topic and you should stop it.


Yes, I do know this. How does that have anything to do with the topic of this thread?

On past form, when you have said one thing, the opposite turns out to have been the truth

You don't have to care - the fact that you refuse to criticise terrorist acts by Palestinians says it all.

Perhaps people will take you more seriously when you look at such a conflict through netural eyes, rather than through Jew-obsessed eyes.

How do you know what I refuse to criticize? Stop making inane assumptions and realize that Palestinian acts are not the topic of this thread.


My eye are not "Jew-obsessed" and I can say, without a doubt, that people would take you more seriously, delphiandomine, if you respected the rules of this forum and stopped making off-topic posts in an attempt to provoke other members of this forum.


JohnnyM stop trying to make this thread about me. You need to obey the rules here too.

I wonder when mods in here will take an action and suspend delpian as he is clearly flaming posting off-topic and generally talking rubbish and Harry too.

They are not doing that for the first time.
mod are you sleeping?

If somebody would started discussion about hairstyles they would have accused him/her of hating bold people.

U.N. report on terror

archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/3/8/91958.shtml

i was until you woke me up.

Des does seem to have a point.

Yeah I know but having watched "Shoah" recently I was most moved by a testimony of a German/Nazi who "worked in Treblinka processing Jews" (his words according to translation) and they were using captured Soviet tank to do it.He said that often the Jews were not dead yet when they opened the chamber and were coughing out black particles.Pretty ****** up way to die if you asked me and that's why I said fumes.

Captured Soviet tank engine.Sorry.

07 zgłoś się, your grandfather, as with millions of other Europeans over the last several hundred years, may indeed have experienced similar stories as your, then again, maybe not. Most cannot be verified, but instead chalked up to bitterness and anger brought on by sheer BAD LUCK!

The again, had the Catholic Church NOT prevented Jews from joining guilds, i.e. learning a respectable trade etc., attend university, fight in the army alongside their gentile neighbors, that is, die as well as live with them, and not be eternally perceived as living OFF them, you and I would never be having the conversation, most likely there would have been no Shoah and the world would have turned out far better for everyone. The Jews would never have been seen as universal paraiah (outcasts), but simply as fellow citizens who follow a different faith, that's all. But no. The Church spoiled it all by herding the Jews into ghettoes, removed from society so that when their Christian brethren were out fighting in wars and returned home, usually to nothing, the Jews were basically well to do, since they never lost their property; they weren't allowed to leave!

You and others make the constant error that it's ALWAYS someone's fault if people hate them. Ever heard of the saying: "Some people are plain rotten and it doesn't take much to turn them into monsters"?