Goodbye Lenin - we don't want you in Poland!

And a system which tens of millions of Poles enthusiastically supported and benefited from.

The hammer and sickle is on open display at a number of locations in Warsaw and will remain so for a long time: deal with it.

Poles were hardly enthusiastic Communists in the tens of millions. Now, what was that about lying ...?

what lie Harry? You are getting sloppy in your manipulations and lies lately.
You asked whether there has been any law against displaying symbol of communism in Poland. the answer was and still is yes! Would you chose to ask whatever one can be arrested for displaying symbols of communism in Poland I would say - no!

As to your post - bunch of commies who should be elsewhere not in power in Poland circumvented the law in Poland rendering it useless in preventing new brood of commies and traitors in Poland to play their sick games unmolested.

Care to quote me saying that they were?


Clearly you have a problem with understanding that word.

WWII

Poles killed by Nazis: 2,500,000
Poles killed by Soviets: 350,000

Poles killed by Soviets after WWII: ~1,000,000 million+

Both Nazis and Commies were ********.

No, the number of Poles killed by Nazis was actually five million.


Source?

Do you include Ethnic Poles? Polish Jews? etc?
If you include Polish Jews than yes 5million+. I was referring to Ethnic Poles.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties (both ethnic Poles and Jewish)
Ethnic Poles died 2 - 2.5 million, Polish Jews 3 million.


The individual tables in this link show all the numbers.

hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM

From what I gathered (probably made mistakes):

1939-1941: 1,200,000 Poles deported; 156,000++ dead?? (many numbers they give)
1941-1945: 109,000 Poles deported?; 96,000 killed?
1945-1953: 4,500,000 Poles deported; 585,000 killed... lower on the page it gives another set of numbers for Poles dead: 936,000

Oh yeah, you did post on this forum for a while under the name PolishTraitor, remember?

When I say Poles, I include Catholic Poles, Jewish Poles, Romani Poles, all Poles.


But you said "Poles killed by Soviets after WWII: ~1,000,000 million+" and even that source doesn't support you. (And the source looks fairly rubbish. It claims that 4.5 million Poles were deported after WWII?! Given that Poland's prewar population was about 33 million and Poland lost 5 million during the holocaust and a million other dead or lost during WWII, that would mean the Soviets deported one in six of the remaining Poles. Even you must recognise that that claim is utter BS).


That was a double hat tip to you, given that I'm neither Polish nor a traitor while you are neither number one nor Jola (but you are Polish and you did join the armed forces of a foreign nation and stood ready to destroy Poland any time your Yankee paymasters told you too).

Look jola, what's wrong with Harry arguing in favour of his icon Lenin, who's responsible for mass murder?

It's an evil point of view he has, without getting involved in all the stats. You're not going to persuade him, but you don't have to. He's made his pro-mass murder point of view plainly apparent to everyone - and that speaks volumes.

Lenin wasn't the only evil guy around, obviously, but he's right up there with Hitler and Stalin - and anyone giving him a sympathetic hearing really deserves special treatment ...

So you create screen names for yourself with a thought about me. How childish.


So, I'm a ...liar, huh? I wonder what your friends think of you when you brag that you've been having an argument on PF with Sokrates or Piłsudski?


Nothing. There is a certain schizophrenia, not mention logical fallacy, to most of his "arguments." For example, AK soldiers will be heroes and patriots fighting for Poland's independence and another time they will be fascists and the communists who murdered them will be heroes. Personally, I think he is paid to post here.

Always laugh at you brainwashed ******* knee jerk reaction to BAN EVERYTHING.......FFS, have you not figured out what free speach and democracy are all about yet ? Its been 20 odd years............time to grow the fek up eh?

Would you care to quote from a post in which I say that Lenin is my icon?
Oh, sorry, you cannot actually quote from such a post, because you are lying when you say that Lenin is my icon.
It really is rather pathetic how the likes of you and Jola think that the best response to you not being able to argue against the truth is to simply start lying.


No, it's an evil point of view that you claim I have. But you have been repeatedly demonstrated here to be a liar, just like Jola.


It is entirely possible for fascists to also have been members of the AK and patriots fighting for Poland's independence and also Jew-murdering scum. Pity you can't get your head round that fact.


Really? By who? Who would care enough about PF to pay people to post here?! It looks very much that that comment just yet another of your lies.


No, not screen names, just the one. But thanks for the additional lie. How many is that now in this single thread?


As has been shown repeated in this thread.

Your liar, liar, pants on fire argument is really working. Thanks for a laugh on a dull morning. Oh, shoot, it's 1 P.M., so I lied. Again.

You'll find that it's not so much an argument as it is a set of proven statements: you tell a lie and I then point out that it is a lie and what makes it a lie.

Now, to get back to the topic perhaps you can tell us why a Polish shopkeeper being prevented from selling entirely legal products as a result of threats from Neo-Nazis is in any way a cause for celebration?

What were the threats? How was EMPIK "prevented" from selling Lenin gadgets?

The article said people protested, nothing more.

You can search all you want to cover up your lies that someone "threatened" EMPIK and they were"forced" to withdraw the Lenin gadgets. They apologized, made some lame excuse about a mistake, and withdrew the crap.

No doubt, you look stupid now. Again.

If I understand correctly, a bunch a nazis bastards protest the selling of communist bastard's memorabilia on stuff.

Both Commie and Nazi symbols are illegal in Poland, so that's that.

It appears to me, that because the Commies were on the winning side of WWII, they got away with too much.

No, you don't understand correctly. ONR had nothing to do with "nazi bastards."

Where I used to live, the ONR used to march commemorating the ransacking of the village and antisemitism.
They were also doing Hitler salutes.



Nazi bastards using nazi symbols
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ob%C3%B3z_Narodowo-Radykalny_(po_1993)#Krytyka

Threats of further protests and the accompanying disruption of business?


The publicly accessible text doesn't say that.

I seem to remember some rule about all news needing an English language source or a translation of the original article. Whatever happened to that rule?

I couldn't find the relative information in English.
Ah sure you can use google translate and if not you;ll get the vibe from the video,

My lies that they were forced to withdraw the Lenin gadgets? Clearly you have forgotten what you stated in the very first post in this thread! Let me remind everybody:


Goodbye Lenin away from Poland!

So if it is a lie, it is your lie. And you are lying when you claim it is me who said it. Aren't your lies getting somewhat pathetic now?


Wrong. And frankly, mere possession and display of them should not be illegal either.


Sorry, that wasn't directed at you, it was directed at the OP

If it's illegal to possess them, does that not just make it illegal?

I tried the OP's OP link but it's broken and I did find stiff on RT but I'm not that desperate for a link...

I don't know if they should be banned, that's for the country to decide but I think the Nazi stuff and the Commie stuff should be treated more or less equally.

I meant that both possession and display (i.e. public display) should not be illegal. Those symbols should only be illegal when they are used to harass or threaten or cause distress.


I'd agree with you there (meaning that possession and non-harassing display should be legal). Although one could make a case that the communist symbols should be treated less harshly given the number of living Poles who were once loyal to those symbols.

The Romans were also doing Hitler Salutes?
Were Polish Jews also Nazis, since they were also doing "Hitler salutes" and wearing brown shirts?" They provided security for ONR marches and vice verse.

In the first photo you posted notice the "Nazi" banner they are carrying. It says: I'm a Pole and I have Polish duties. That's from Roman Dmowski, who with Paderewski and Witos, assured Poland become a free nation after 123 years of occupation. On Sunday, that famous "Nazi" president of RP, Bronislaw Komorowski, will be laying flowers at his statue in Warsaw. The Leftists are not happy with that; they would rather he lay flowers at some Lenin statue.

ONR use the Celtic Cross as one of their symbols. Well known Nazi symbol present all over U.K. The Brits and the Irish lay flowers on the graves of those "Nazis." Is that how you see it?

So, if you see a bald guy and the first thing that comes to your mind is a gas chamber, you might be a product of years of conditioning, and for sure know little about Polish history and our struggle for independence.

Thanks for that. Now, to get back to the topic of this thread, perhaps you could explain why you claimed that I stated that EMPIK were"forced" to withdraw the Lenin gadgets when in reality and that statement was a lie? Isn't the reality very clearly that the person who said "Quick reaction by ONR forces EMPIK stores to withdraw gadgets with images of communist criminals Lenin and Che Guevara." you?

I lied to you.

Now, were those Jews Nazis or not? Their numbers in Poland were about 40,000 and ONR were about 4,000. Both groups used the same greeting.

Are you supposed to be some kind of a scholar?
No offense Sean ( I don't expect an answer anyway)but you are assuming air of authority and wisdom which is not there.


any sources?

Yes, it is now widely used as a Nazi symbol. Why do you support people displaying it while you think people should be prevented from even wearing t-shirts with a picture of Che on them?


No, you lied about me and you lied to the entire readership of this forum.


Now, is that on topic or not?

Is it silly to ask why Slavic Nazis are marching under a Celtic Cross?