Former American President Adams in Poland.

Wroclaw 44 | 5359

8 Dec 2010 / #1

Who knew this: culture.polishsite.us/articles/art457fr.htm

Starting by horse-drawn coach from his residence in Berlin, Adams' first stop in what is now Polish territory was at Gruenberg, today the city of Zielona Gora. Noting its cloth mills and vineyards, Adams and his party, which included his wife and two servants, continued on their carriage ride deeper to Silesia. Their first stop in the province was at Bunzlau. There, Adams observed the main industry of the town. Even today it is famous, for the Polish name of this place is Boleslawiec, home of the world renowned Boleslawiec pottery.

Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11792

8 Dec 2010 / #2

...in Germany...you mean surely!

In the year 1800, John Quincy Adams, the U.S. Minister to Prussia, undertook a two month tour of Silesia, then part of Prussia. He detailed his experiences in a series of letters to his brother. It was a thoroughly German area in that time (Western Silesia) ...

OP Wroclaw 44 | 5359

8 Dec 2010 / #3

yes, i know. but the text reveals places now in Poland.

Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11792

8 Dec 2010 / #4

Yes, and nothing beats time witness reports! :)

OP Wroclaw 44 | 5359

8 Dec 2010 / #5

there are a few interesting things in the text:

"He even heard a church sermon in Polish, attesting to the fact that a substantial minority of Poles lived in Prussian Breslau at the time."

Marek11111 9 | 807

8 Dec 2010 / #6

yes BB noting like germanization of Polish lands and resettlement of Poles during partitions so now you can claim that that was Germany. Maybe you can claim Smolensk too as German occupied it

Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11792

8 Dec 2010 / #7

"He even heard a church sermon in Polish, attesting to the fact that a substantial minority of Poles lived in Prussian Breslau at the time."

Umm...why shouldn't they.
No expulsions at that time...

OP Wroclaw 44 | 5359

8 Dec 2010 / #8

Granted.

I only posted because i thought it was an interesting piece of history. i have no argument to accompany it

Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11792

8 Dec 2010 / #9

Sorry for my quibbling...it IS an interesting document of time!
*leaves thread*

Mr Grunwald 33 | 2132

9 Dec 2010 / #10

...in Germany...you mean surely!

Tell me when he did the trip happen and when the German state was founded... Noh? come on! Share it with us! :)

that was Germany.

Indeed. Max prussian at those times MAX Prussian!

*leaves thread*

COME BACK HERE!! Gaawd!...

Ironside 50 | 12375

28 Dec 2010 / #11

Who knew this:

I didn't ! Maybe because U.S. didn't play in European liege for some quite time yet!

guesswho 4 | 1272

28 Dec 2010 / #12

yes BB noting like germanization of Polish lands and resettlement of Poles during partitions so now you can claim that that was Germany. Maybe you can claim Smolensk too as German occupied it

two different things, Niederschlesien (lower Silesia) and Smolensk. People in Lower Silesia didn't have to be germanized, they were mostly Germans.

Marek11111 9 | 807

28 Dec 2010 / #13

look gouesswho if you do not know the subject please do not post on it.

Ironside 50 | 12375

28 Dec 2010 / #14

People in Lower Silesia didn't have to be germanized, they were mostly Germans.

And you know it for sure because you were one of the servants who accompanied Adams!
What were your duties ?

guesswho 4 | 1272

28 Dec 2010 / #15

look gouesswho if you do not know the subject please do not post on it.

don't know what? It looks like I know more about it than you because you're ready to deny it.

And you know it for sure because

because it's a historical fact that this part of Poland before the 1945 was a part of Germany.

Are you guys seriously going to deny it?

Marek11111 9 | 807

28 Dec 2010 / #16

OK guesswho look into 1792 map

guesswho 4 | 1272

28 Dec 2010 / #17

rollintl.com/roll/prussia.htm

here you got all kinds of maps of Prussia

PlasticPole 7 | 2641

28 Dec 2010 / #18

It's cool Adams didn't just follow the tour but ventured out and saw other places as well.

hague1cmaeron 14 | 1366

28 Dec 2010 / #19

Not being far from the borders of Poland, he criticizes the fact that "numerous (Prussian) officers have been placed there, who treat the Poles too much as a conquered people," rather than as citizens of Prussia.

No surprise there than(:

Ironside 50 | 12375

28 Dec 2010 / #20

because it's a historical fact that this part of Poland before the 1945 was a part of Germany.

For some time, but it doesn't make population of the area automatically German !

isthatu2 4 | 2692

28 Dec 2010 / #21

"yet from time to time he complained about people whom he thought were surly and overcharged for their services. "
He really did go to silesia then ;)

Marek11111 9 | 807

28 Dec 2010 / #22

well guesshwo you do not know Poland history it is evident and yet you posted on this tread
as i said before jf you do not know do not post.

guesswho 4 | 1272

28 Dec 2010 / #23

Polish history? What are you talking about? I provided a map of Prussia since Poland didn't even exist at that time. As far as Niederschlessien, it was German way longer than it was Polish.

How are you going to like it if BB is going to post something like that, "persident Obama visited Breslau, what is now Wroclaw in Poland?"

PlasticPole 7 | 2641

28 Dec 2010 / #24

What are you talking about?

It did exist. It had just been invaded. Polish-Lithuania has been around for quite some time.

guesswho 4 | 1272

28 Dec 2010 / #25

It did exist. It had just been invaded.

of course it did in your hearts, I understand it, but officially it didn't.

Seanus 15 | 19666

28 Dec 2010 / #26

President Adams? Never heard of him. Gerry Adams of Sinn Fein maybe. Nothing about his visit here either.

isthatu2 4 | 2692

28 Dec 2010 / #27

Adams,one of the famous adams family,so to speak,one of the very few founding fathers of the US who wasnt a completly hypocritical cnut,a jolly good chap by all acounts :)

Wroclaw Boy

28 Dec 2010 / #28

pretty good TV series too, heres a memorable scene

isthatu2 4 | 2692

28 Dec 2010 / #29

Thanks,I missed this when it was on tv here a while ago,kicked myself too as soon after I got into reading a few good books about the revolutionary wars. (only trouble is now I cant watch The Patriot without peeing my pants at the innaccuracies...)

trener zolwia 1 | 939

28 Dec 2010 / #30

one of the very few founding fathers of the US who wasnt a completly hypocritical cnut

Huh? Nah, they were all cool dudes. B)