I just did (it took about 30 seconds only), and found Boguslaw to have raised some issues that are weighty and ripe for your responses. Where are they?
Oh look: it's my very favourite little Australian racist! How's life bashing Lebs Dan? I do love your latest lie: that you can read 4,000 words per minute. Bog's post was 1,999 words and you read it in 30 seconds, so that is 4,000 words per minute. Well done Dan, I had no idea that you are actually a world class speed reader. According to the world speedreading council, the world record is 4,251 words per minute. I'm sure that you weren't really trying hard when reading Bog's post, that record is well within reach for you.
As for Bog's 'issues', as a special favour for you (and early present congratulating you on your soon to be held world record), I'll try to find time today to give his verbal diarrhea the reply it doesn't deserve.
I was asking for ACCLAIM scholars and you provide me names of some anticommunist second-class historicians who not even use the term "concentration camp".
Yes, they take great care to use only the official name. But the description they provide makes it very clear that the camp was not a labour camp and was actually a concentration camp. No doubt you are also one of those people who denies that the Nazis ever ran extermination camps and uses as 'proof' the fact that the camps were called SS-Sonderkommando.
Some quootes from your link:
"Although the Świętochłowice camp bore the official title of a labour camp, it also fulfilled the function of a penal camp"
So you agree that the official title of the camp does not tally with its true purpose. Good, we're making progress. A penal camp is a place for punishment. A camp where people are punished for their ethnicity = a concentration camp.
You insist that all the victims of the post-war deserved what they got because they were Nazis. So at best you support the extra-judicial execution of innocent people who are accused of crimes and at worst you support the extra-judicial execution of the families of people who are accused of crimes and the extra-judicial execution of people who come from the same ethnic group as people who are accused of crimes. Forgive me for quoting you out of sequence but let's get this topic out of the way now.
From the text which you have just quoted from: "For instance, the son of a woman from Świętochłowice died in the camp. He was probably born in the camp and on the date of his death - 9 September 1945 - was 4 weeks old." Is it your position that this baby was in the Hitler youth? Or is it that he was "allegedly" a child?
Also from the text which you have just quoted from: "Other preserved documents of the Ministry of Public Security contain lists of internees divided into the following categories: Poles, Jews, Ukrainians, Germans, Volksdeutsche, German collaborators, and others. The Poles included primarily members of independence organisations: the Home Army and the National Armed Forces." Is it your position that the Home Army accepted as members persons who members of nazi organizations? Or is it your position the the National Armed Forces accepted such persons?
As long as you will not give me those names it will be clear that you are a closet nazi.
As long as you insist that it is perfectly acceptable to kill innocent men women and children, you are not even human.
It is only cheap sophistry of a con-men. You are doing everything to trivalise nazism and depict Poles as someone who was even more criminal than nazis. By doing so, you want to erase remembrance about nazi past, as well as remembrance about nazi terror against Poles, and bit by bit justifying that terror suggesting that those Poles should be condemn equally with nazis.
I do love the way that you lie and at the same time accuse me of cheap sophistry. Right here I say "Nazis ran concentration camps and extermination camps) and after Nazi occupation (i.e. Poles ran concentration camps)." I clearly say that only Nazis ran extermination camps but you still lie that I suggest Poles were as bad Nazis. Pathetic, even by your standards.
You dont care about human rights and staff, you just cant come to terms with a fact that nazism was the most genocidal and pathologic creed ever, so to undermine that fact, you have to accuse victims of nazism for even bigger crimes and by doing so you can say that nazis were not doing anything special, since Poles were the same.
As pointed out above: your lie about me accusing Poles of bigger crimes than Nazis has been exposed as a lie.
You are disgusting.
You aren't even human: you think that killing 4-week old babies is acceptable on the off chance that they might have been in the Hitler youth.
Neither Morel nor Geborski were proven guilty let alone that behaviour of some members of IPN had all the hallmarks of antisemitism when its comes to the former one.
Geborski got a free pass for being old, something his victims didn't. Morel got the same and shouldn't have. As for anti-semitism and you, let's come on to that in the next point.
Symptomatic, that would imply, that you dont care about fate of Jews under nazi occupation, but you treat them as an objects, probably to trivalise crimes of real nazis and their collaborators.
You dare to say that I don't care about the fate of Jews under Nazi occupation? I don't see you taking part in this thread arguing against the holocaust deniers.
polishforums.com/news-politics-4/holocaust-was-jewish-invention-says-top-polish-bishop-41630
Could it be that you have no problem with people denying the holocaust and only a problem with people pointing out that some Poles took part in the holocaust?
Irony, you try to accuse Poles for Holocaust and killing of Jews and then you are accuse one of those Jews that Poles - contrary to your version of history - saved during Holocaust for being responsibility for killing innocent women, children an men.
Why is it so difficult for you to understand that some Poles saved Jews and some Poles killed Jews? Just as some Poles saved Poles and some Poles killed Poles.
You cant forgive him that he survived Holocaust, can you?
It is certainly a pity that Morel survived. But I can see that you are fine with his actions: after all, he was only killing Germans, not real people.
The Polish nation could do nothing between Q4 1939 and Q3 1944 because it didn't exist! Some Poles fought against the Nazis and some Poles fought for the Nazis: it is that simple.
You are playing the fool: the Polish run concentration camps were opened in 'liberated' Poland before the end of WWII, not in Nazi-occupied Poland.
But speaking about those bad things that people did in the past, about which they dont want to learn, so they are bound to repeat them. Have you ever heard about Halabja?
Yes of course I have heard of Halabja. Just because you have not heard of gas being used at any other time doesn't mean it hasn't happened: go read a book about the Yemeni civil war, then go read one about the Iran-Iraq war. Pay particular attention to how the USA provided satellite imaging to make the Iraqi weapons more effective against Iran.
Its quite symptomatic that you stress existence of illegal detention centres in Poland in which small group of people
And it is symptomatic that you inflate the casualties of what is important to you while both minimising the number and demonising those who you approve the mistreatment of.
Well, I see an analogy between this behaviour and that other one, when you lament about so called "polish concentration camps".
I ignore the Kurds by not mentioning them in a thread about Poland? You, on the other hand, ignore victims of genuine and genocidal terror by claiming that before they can be called victims it must be established whether a four-week old baby was in the Hitler Youth.
Your behaviour indicate, that you havent learned anything from the nazi past. Quite on the contrary, you are doing everything to dillute facts.
Yes, I state repeatedly that the Nazis ran extermination camps and strongly argue against holocaust deniers, so I must be doing everything I can to dilute the facts. You, on the other hand do not state that Nazis ran extermination camps and say not a word against holocaust deniers.
Had it not been for this catastrophe, the survival rate for Jews in hiding in Warsaw would have been similar to the survival rate of Jews in hiding in the Netherlands."
Wonderful speculation. Got any facts to support it?
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Ah yes, you would of course would be another of the Poles who nails Fry to the wall (for looking a bit Jewish and being very gay no doubt). But what did he actually say? ",and remember which side of the border Auschwitz was on," As many of us know, the Nazi Auschwitz complex was never in Poland: it was in Polish areas annexed by Nazi Germany, it was on the German side of the border. But when a homo says something which Poles can use to attack him, of course some Poles will pick up that stick and beat him with it: you certainly do.
