"Poland's Concentration Camp" ??

Maybe jewish soap found use in polish concentration camps as well.Harry has to search for soap.

Really useful info, thank you very much cyg.

You know i dont know what this fuss is about.
my mothers family was her mother father 11 brother and sisters. my father had his father and mother and 13 brothers and sisters. After 3 years of war can anyone guess how many surrvived ?

my 2 parents and my mothers brother. THATS 3 OUT OF 28. God bless the WAR. all of my liftime my father slept with a hammer under his bed because of fear someone in a uniform would come to the door to drag us kids away. he feared all uniformed people. finally he hung himself in our garage. i tried to help him but what could i do i couldnt even think how to get him down sure.

i suppose i could get a big knife and slice the rope ........ you figure the rest.
The very worst part was waiting for my brother to get home from school. i got a neighbour to ring an ambulance. . could you ring an ambulance my dad has just hung himself. and i took off and waited at the street corner. I waited and waited and waited............................................................ it was an eternity

no ambulance no brother. How often do you gentlemen try to kill yourselves because of your grief or go online to see a bit of merriment. and yet you see people who spit nonsense.

It is a tragic tale, quite upsetting to read. But it does put so much humanity into the subject that is being discussed - one of the most inhumane acts in recorded history. But the personal, the emotional, the responses regard the loss of lives and the devastating consequences for the ones who are left behind.

People making light of the subject only do themselves a discredit, but likewise those who react with greed - people who look for what they can get out of the descendents of their fellow victims.

i wrote this in a quite neutal state of mind so it really didnt do much to me. but what it seems is that truth is just stranger than fiction i have known a few people personally who have lived terrible lives because of the war. i have also read a bit of words. but words on paper are not the truth. mangled limbs family instead of families left or should i say fam.... pieces of a baby covered up brought back to a mother to prove that it is her child who is dead. otherwise she cannot believe it can be so she runs aroud looking everywhere for it and doesnt stop. my own mother seperated from her daughter at 1 year of age (my half sister) she never got over this. her first husband died. she met my father in a camp. she never recovered she used to dress me like a girl and have me wear long hair. i looked cute i still have photos. my daughter looked a lot like me as a child. its quite funny. one thing my father said never go to war and hate noone. we had czech german english russian friends my father new all the languages. he would talk to everyone equally. i have followed. but others dont help why hate. ? ? ?

Polish concentration camp

Those bent on using the term Polish concentration camp should be aware that there were concentration camps for only Polish people. The Holocaust industry, concentrated on Jewish victims, plays down this fact to the point of falcifying available information.

Case in point: The Polen-Jugendverwahrlager der Sicherheitspolizei in Litzmannstadt was built in the fall of 1942 inside the £ódź Ghetto on the order of SS Reichsfuerher Himmler. Complete with 3 meter walls, guard towers, and SS staff, this concentration camps housed Polish children aged 8-16, and in the girl section as young as two. All children worked 10 to 12 hours a day on starvation level "meals," were brutaly beaten, and sometimes murdered. It operated inside the ghetto till the end of war. German and Polish sources list it as a concentration camp, but Holocaust sources seem very reluctant to even mention it so don't expect to find a lot of information on it. I'm not aware of any books in English on it, but there is a German book and one Polish one. The Polish text is:


The USHMM (US Holocaust Memorial Museum) lists this book in their bibliography and describe it as such:


First of all, they failed to translate the tittle, which is 'Nazi concentration camp for youth in £ódź." All of the sudden the Nazis are Germans, and the concentration camp is an orphanage(sic) for orphaned Poles. It was not adjecent to the ghetto, but was inside the ghetto walls. The only thing they got right is that the internees were transfered to Ravensbruck or Auschwitz on their 17th birthday.

Had this been a concentration camp for Jewish children, you, dear reader, would have heard about it. As it stands, there isn't even a wiki entry on it.

Lagerkommandant SS-Stumbannfuerher Karl Ehrlich:

"Orphanage" staff:

When they sent your parents to Auschwitz, you became an orphan all right:

"Broken Heart" Memorial in £ódź.

Apart from this one :-)))

de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jugendverwahrlager_Litzmannstadt

Polen-Jugendverwahrlager Litzmannstadt in £ódź for Polish youths (established 1942 to prevent mixing of Poles and Germans in the same camps) Camps for Germans children too??

Google Results: 926 for Polen Jugendverwahrlager Litzmannstadt.

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Some estimates put the number of camps in Nazi occupied territories at 15,000 here is a list of some of them.

The most comprehensive list of the Nazi German camp system is still found in:

Martin Weinmann (ed.): Das nationalsozialistische Lagersystem (CCP Catalogue of Camps and Prisons in Germany and German-occupied territories, 1939 - 1945)

However it is not updated as many small prisoner camp records have been lost to history and may only exist in the living memory of survivors. The list is taken mainly from the ITS records.

Given the huge number of prisons and camps in the Nazi sytem it is no surprise, to me at least, that many camps are not well known.

It should be remembered that we know infinitely more about Nazi camps than we do about the Soviet camps of WWII which are still shrouded in secrecy (or forgotten) for the most part, and for me that is the important story that remains to be told-by serious historians not propagandists like Snores!!

Oh, goody, you found a German entry. Pretty soon you might find the Polish one; languages you don't understand.


The camp was for Polish children, not Jewish, not German.


I get 523,000 results for "turd" and don't think they are all websites about you.


How many concentration camps for children do you know of?

I get 1,490,000 for Polish Anti-Semite. So what?

Still doesn't negate the fact that there is a wiki entry for which you said:


Maybe you can translate the German or Polish wiki page into English and do a great service to Poland with just a couple of hours of your time? That would be something tangible you could contribute to raise awareness for people like me of this concentration camp for Polish children. Somehow I think you will not undertake this small task? All bark and no action :-))

I just did. Your awareness has been raised and now you know of a real Polish concentration camp so you can pepper various threads with it.

Tell your local school about it too. Along with poor Anne Frank they can study the only concentration camp for children in their Holocaust lessons.

So I take it that you won't be creating an English wikki page for Polen Jugendverwahrlager Litzmannstadt.?

i thought not. Polish children in a German concentration camp are not worth that much to you after all—not even a couple of hours to translate a page of text to make up a wiki page in memory of Polish children in the Holocaust for the the milliions who are not on PF! You prove you are just background noise!!

You prove to us you are an idiot every day. I certainly will make an entry and will write USHMM to straighten out their nonsense.

Bravo!

Action speaks louder than words!

Don't forget to post the link :-)))

I don't get it. What is your post about. Are you against or with 1jola on that stuff.

What stuff????

It's pretty much standard, he has a Pavlov's Dog reaction. When I say there is little information on the subjedt, he has no choice but to say there is a lot.

Actually that is not true either, what you said was:


and yet there is a wiki entry (or two :-) on it!

And now you have agreed to create an English wiki page it will prove to be invaluable in telling the story of the Polish children's concentration camp to the widest audience. Look forward to seeing it :-))

This is just outside the old Ghetto boundries.

Steveramsfan

A map from a book published by the £ódź National Archives: The camp (#3) is clearly within the ghetto walls.

1jola

That helps, i was looking for a map like that :) The statue is just outside the camp and the ghetto 500m to the south.

I will go for a look at it tomorrow.

In 1947, the communist authorities razed the former camp to build housing. It is possible that the memorial is located on available site near the original camp and not exactly where it stood. It was built only in 1971.

Two Polish students made a school project about the camp:

lernen-aus-der-geschichte.de/?site=pr20050914221245&lp=en

1jola

There is not much left of what was the Ghetto but i will try and find the memorial.

Have you heard of Radogoszcz NAZI prison in Lodz.

muzeumtradycji.pl/page/index.php?str=197

This prison was not for Jews, it shows that the Nazi's wanted to exterminate all the Poles aswell as the Jews.

The surviving kids mention it burning as the Germans flee.


It was a matter of time. They used Jews as labor for 3 years before started exterminating them; it would have taken more time, but the Poles were to be next. Many documents confirm this.

Sigh. The information about the camp is surely interesting but the way you people treat it kinda makes me wonder whether I should write a book on 'Polish Martyrology Industry' concentrated SOLELY on Poles and not just dismissing but also insulting other victims, particularly those who had it far worse than Poles.

I have photo's on my Laptop from the museum, they started shooting the prisoners but they fought back. The Nazi's locked the doors and set fire to it, they just let them burn.

I make a distinction between Germans and Nazi's. Not all Germans were Nazi's and not all Nazi's were German.


You can, if you want to concentrate solely on Poles and insult other victims its your choice. I don't think it is fair to insult the Ukranians and Belorussians and the Romany and the disabled.

vetala

This is a Polish forum so it is natural to discuss Polish victims. If you want to discuss Jewish victims go to a Jewish board.


I find USHMM's deception in calling a concentration camp for children an "orphanage" insulting, don't you? They don't often call other concentration camps "retirement homes." Why this one?

Bereza Kartuska would be a good example.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bereza_Kartuska_prison
All of its victims were Polish citizens (although many of them didn't want to be and that was one of the reasons they were in the place).


Off the top of my head, the one in Zamosc which I visited last summer, the one at Zwierzyniec, the one at some village near Bilgoraj which I've forgotten then name of. There are more but those are the only ones I've been to.

I do. But the only way of fighting ignorance is through spreading awareness. Nobody will listen to arguments presented in an offensive, accusing and aggressive way. Which is why I don't listen to Harry, even if he sometimes makes sense.

I thought this post was


too.

Can I ask who had it far worse than Poles?

You can tell Poles about their concentration camps in any way you want: they still won't listen and will still deny the camps were Polish concentration camps.


Roma for a start. Approximately 50% of the Roma population of Europe was wiped out. Add in the other victims of the Porajmos and about a third of the Romani population of Europe died.