Did British public protest against the sell out of Poland to the Soviets?

are you saying it was a bad idea in that Russia would have won?


Come on we could have gotten a few more ready especially in the light of a long and vicious fight with the Bolsheviks, Poland would have been saved at least. Even without the nukes we would have beaten them (the Russians) fairly easily.


If that was the case they would have deployed all resources for japan instead of heading to Europe first, Japan could wait and wait they did. Japan was not as bigger threat as Germany at that time.

It was the case, it was a treaty obligation for the US to put in an effort in Europe,as soon as that was done with they wanted out.


Not a chance......Britain was sick of war,so much that Churchill was voted out of office during the war partly because he was seen as a war mongerer.

Even if that hadnt been the case,simply no chance of any army in Europe at that time stopping the Soviets if they had wanted to carry on to the English channel.

The allies nearly got their arses kicked in winter 44/45 by a pretty weak german counter offensive using mainly old men and school boys in the Battle of the Bulge....how well do you think they would have done against a Red Army willing to lose 300 thousand men in the Battle of Berlin alone?

Christ, the Americans still talk about Omaha beach as though it was the bloodiest battle ever and they lost less than 2 thousand men killed that day......2 thusand dead Red Army soldiers,Stalin would have not even been told about it....or cared.

Well, you are talking rubbish, According to you the aid promised to Poland were left to the discretion of Allies. They could just forward a good wishes and that would fulfilled their obligations to Poland according to you.

My ass mate, it was a spear head nothing more, crushed in due course. Hardly a case of the Allies getting their asses kicked at all, what kind of history books you been reading?


Fairly well considering logistics and tactical and technological advantage, and lets not even get into nukes. Air supremacy much!! even a million souls doesn't mean anything without the weapons. get real man.

That's only two points i cant believe you actually made.

I am going to be in Warszawa tomorrow. Anything special planned for the eve of the '44 Uprising? i plan to do the museum if nothing else.

No, they didn`t. Should they?

Go to the cemetry in the evening. Very moving ceremonies there.
Double check it is on the eve though, I seem to remember it was in 04 but....

Calm down and stop telling everyone what to do and say,its not big and its not clever,its an internet forum,people have different opinions.

Some seem to have read the Bumper book of WW2 while others have read books without lots of pictures ,bound to be different apraisals of the capabilities of the various armed forces and political willingness of the democratic nations with those sort of wide ranging reads.

How well did that strategy work?

The British and the French just went into a turtle. It worked better for the British than it did for the French.

History proves that the real strategy was to wait for someone else to come and do the dirty work for them. The Soviets in the East and the U.S. in the West. Promising support for Poland was just a sham and a fraud.

Can you quote me saying that or are you simply lying when you claim I said that? Why not quote me to show that you are not lying?


Can you quote me saying that or are you simply lying when you claim I said that? Why not quote me to show that you are not lying?


No they did not, as the events of September 1939 and the deaths of thousands of British men show. Why do you insist on that about those brave men?


So why you are completely unable to go into detail about the ways in which Britain could have aided Poland but did not?

Apart from the official events, there will be held: Tuesday, 31st July - "1944 - Miasto - 2012" multimedia show, Krasiński Square; Wednesday, 1st August - singing the songs of the Uprising, Piłsudski Square; Wednesday - theatre performance in the Museum of the Warsaw Uprising (tickets).

Off this Uprising anniversary events, I would go to see the show of stereoscopic photographies of Warsaw in 1916, at the Fotoplastikon, al. Jerozolimskie 51. They (Gazeta Wyborcza) say the author was an excellent photographer and the photos give a thrilling insight into the Warsaw streets of that time when Warsaw was sort of "liberated" - however strange it may sound in the light of events of the Uprising of 1944 - by the Germans from the Russian one-hundred year occupation (1815 - 1915). The author of the photographs was later on arrested by the now German occupants in the first days of the 1944 Uprising and sent to the Auschwitz death camp (some would say "Polish death camp") where he soon died (he was amore than 60 years old at that time, I think).

I couldn't be bother as you would sourly accused me of lying anyway. You should change your moniker to Old Jack.
You say that Britain done all she could. I say that she didn't and anyway shouldn't promising anything to Poland just to her fight Germany.

Its wasn't on!

Please tell the truth: it is not that you cannot be bothered, it is that you are very simply unable to quote me saying either of those two things, because I have never said either of them.


But you still refuse to go into detail about what Britain could have done but did not do. Nevermind, it long ago became clear to everybody why you continue to refuse to do that: it is because you are entirely unable to do that.

As well as you are unable to prove that Britain could have done more.
Anyway it is immaterial as we both know that Britain never intended nor planed an offensive( air, navy or both) against Germany in September 1939. Also they were well aware that neither France planed to fulfil her obligations.

That so called alliance was sham.
The real aim of the Pact was to ensure that Poland will not join Hitler's camp.

I am not required to prove that Britain could have done more and I am not saying that Britain could have done more.


Really? Got any sources at all to back that particular claim or are you simply changing the subject to hide the fact that you can neither quote me saying what you claim I did nor go into detail about what Britain could have done but did not do.

I don't need to go into details bout what Britain could have done but didn't, I just say that she never indented to do more than token skirmishes!


Sorry! It should read - Can you prove that Britain couldn't have done more than she did?


I'm sure there are sources to prove it. For now there indirect indications and of curse the way they behaved during September 1939.

Also the fact that I'm not in the possession of detailed agreement between military staff do not mean that such detailed agreements didn't exist.

All your agreement here pertain Military Defence pact. What sense would be for Poland to engage into agreement which do not promise military offensive in the hour of need?

A claim which you can offer absolutely nothing to support.


It is not possible to prove a negative. However, if you think that Britain could have done more with her nine battle-ready divisions, her bombers which lost a third of the planes in each raid and managed to bomb the wrong country repeatedly, or her navy which was unsuited to the shallow Baltic channels and unable to defend itself against aerial assaults (as the Japanese showed), do feel very free to go into that.


Really? Do forgive us for waiting until you present them before we believe that they exist.


One could equally claim that the fact one is not in possession of any such documentation does not mean that there is no detailed documentation exists proving that the Final Solution was a Polish idea (and one would very rightly be laughed at for claiming it).


That is a question one would have to ask the Polish government, not the British.