Polabia back to Slavs?

Since Pomerania has been rightfully ceded to Poland, maybe it's time Polabia should also be returned to Poles, Wends and Bohemians. Just as Pomorze is Polish/Slavonic for 'along the sea' (and meaningless auf Deutsch), so too Polabia means 'up to the £aba' which the Teutons have translated as 'Elbe'. Berlin is a Slavonic name as is Budizszyn, Kociebusz, Żitawa (Zittau), Drezno and many more. Isn't it true that German toponyms ending in -au were originally Slavonic -awa/-ava.

It should become independent.

And the poor Bohemians and Wends would finally stop being landlocked and gain access to the sea via the Odra.

This is the same old story! Everybody's a kind of sore loser, Face facts though. Is it practical for already established territories anywhere, for that matter, to change hands back to original "owners" whose title to property, so to say, was spurious or questionable to begin with?? The Poles say their lands were originally on Polish, NOT German, i.e 'Teutonic' soil, while some Germans contend the opposite. The Israelis and the Palestinians, the Native Americans wanting back all of Long Island etc....

When will the madness end?

True. Berlin is even a Polabian word for swamp.

Most, Germans don't even know this.

Most Germans cry because they lost Prussia. Act like we stole it.
Yet, Most Germans don't even know that Prussians were originally a Baltic people similar to Lithuanians.

What would you know about "most Germans"? Ever been to Germany? Or Poland?


So "most Germans" has now become "some Germans". I see. :-D
You still haven't answered the question, very relevant since we're discussing the Poland/German hinterland, have you ever been to either country?

I said most Germans want Prussia back.

I said SOME Germans started the Prussian trust.

There is a difference. As the Prussian Trust is an organization.

LOL, not even the Sorbs want to be part of Greater Slavia... :D

The Sorbs wanted to be part of CzechSlovakia after WW2.
But, Germans made propaganda against that & swayed them to stay.

Budziszyn.


Chociebuż.


Żytawa.

Fir feck sakes, lads, if you're going to reconquer those lands for Poland, then at least learn to feckin spell them properly.

*rolling eyes*

Said lands have changed hands so many times, I'm getting dizzy trying to keep track. Anyhow, real estate being what it is, why would the Germans want much of Northern Poland back? Much of it is still swamp, not that attractive to investors LOL

Actually, property prices in Northern Poland seem to be somewhat higher than those in Eastern Germany,
so very often Poles from border areas buy flats and houses on the German side of the border and
commute to work in Poland LOL (that is the case with thousands of Poles working in Szczecin but
living in the German town of Löcknitz, for example.)

The Prussians were a Baltic people whom the Germans slaughtererd to a man. Adding insult to injury, the Krauts actually stole their victims' name to create their Preussen.

Sorry about the spelling. I beat my breast. My Wendish ain't that good!

Very much like Žemaitijans (Żmudzini) have stolen the name and identity of Lithuanians (Litwini)
and are using the glorious name Lithuania for their pathetic Žemaitijan nazi statelet.


No problem - that's what I'm here for. You take care of the invasion and stuff, and I'll make sure
that all those new towns are properly named ;)

Interesting to know, Torq. Nevertheless, I'd figure that Germany as an investment op is still far more attractive to Poles than vice-versaLOL

Oh, absolutely; and it's going to remain that way in the foreseeable future.

let us all remember that false German nation/state actually ending its existence when Vatican decide to play on Poland and not on Germany. New Vatican`s policy would make that formerly germanzied Slavs come back to their Slavic ancestry.

Yes, sure. Germany at the end of WW2 couldn't do anything.
The Czechs created a Sorbian organization with some Sorbs who fled to Prague to propagate the annexation of Lusatia, but the Domowina (Google it if you don't know them) was against it.

And the reverse was also true, Crow. How many displaced so-called 'Heim ins Reich-Kinder' from the former Slavic, by the Nazis to be 'Germanized' East, actually belonged to Polish, Sudenten Czech families, forcibly taken from their homelands in an effort to effectively exterminate the Slav lands and ready them for Germans? It cuts both ways.

Where do they pay taxes?

Restitution is a tricky angle. Entitlement is either way too much, or, insultingly low. Take your pick, folks-:))

Where they work I guess - the taxes are probably deducted automatically off their wages.
However, I'm not 100% sure about that. Interesting question.

They use more infrastructure in Germany though; schools, etc.

I'm wondering if they pay taxes to both. That wouldn't be fun.

And now an even more interesting conundrum: Are Germanized/'Aryanized' Poles whose lands were taken by the Nazis, but never returned, subject in the present generation to German or Polish property taxes? How about former Eastern Germans whose land was ceded back to Poland ("enteignet") after 1949?

EU regulations stipulate you have to pay taxes in the country where you reside officially.

Again, Sobieski, Torq and others, do these taxes ever include "back taxes" of property once in foreign hands, or, are they solely limited to properties on which one is currently residing etc.??

No annexation or conquering lands again. The Polish-German present border is one of friendship and cooperation. Didn't Germany loose much in the long run as a result of its ever progressing "Drang nach Osten"? What is interesing today is discovering traces of the past. The Polabian Slavic language of the isle of Ruegen died out as late as in the 18th century. Some German linguists, however, did manage to write down, although imperfectly, many of its words and phrases. In 1799 in the church of the village of Rowy (near the city of Stolp/Słupsk, the last mass had been held in the Pomeranian (Kashubian) language. A Russian linguist recorded [the remains of] the Slavic language west of £eba before 1800 and he received an account of a woman who spoke Kashubian fluently, but complained to him that she had no one to talk to in this language; her children could only speak German ...

We are talking here about everyday matters, meaning a EU citizen earning his salary in another EU country, and where to pay taxes on that. What you mean with "property once in foreign hands"? You mean like a German citizen whose house in Breslau was stolen from him in 1945? Or a Pole whose property in Lwów was stolen from him?

Maybe we could stick to the present situation?

Yes, indeed let's-:) The latter's exactly what I mean to ask!

The Lwów (formerly "Lemberg" pre-Piłlsudskl Revolution!) example is further interesting, since today of course "Lviv" belongs squarely to the Ukraine, as of the end of the 1945-:)

The Breslau aka Wrocław example may be slightly more complicated, being that the Poles consider their city thoroughly Polish, furthermore, that, like Gdańsk aka Danzig as well as £ódź aka Litzmannstadt (Lodsch to this day on post-War German atlasses), these still represent formerly POLISH territories, i.e.forcibly "Germanized" Polish lands, which now merely have to be "re-Polonized", if you will.

Both sides seem reasonably intractable on this particular point, neither willing to concede any more than absolutely necessary and only insofar as there will be some sort of financial, not only ideological or political, gain!!