A little reminder for those Brits that ***** about Poles

Oh but I did. You know that you can remove poster from ignore list as well.


They should have bombed German military installations as they promised. Not that British ruling class was short of promises and treaties they never intended to honor.

The point is they had never intended (like France )to honor that treaty.

They did. Stop lying about the brave British airmen who died fighting for your freedom and theirs: nearly as many British airmen died on the first day of raids on German targets (4 September) as Polish airmen died in the entire Battle of Britain. I have never heard a British person deny that those Poles fought, so why do you feel the need to deny that those British airmen fought? Are you really that low?


The point is that you are utterly unable to go into detail about what assistance it was within Britain's power to give in September or October 1939 which was not given; instead you just tell foul lies.

Well, they bombed German naval targets on September 4th and continued sorties, even bombing the Ruhr and Monchengladbach in early 1940

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_bombing_during_World_War_II#The_Western_Front.2C_1939_to_June_1940

They also managed to bomb targets in Denmark (on 4 September), which tells you a lot about the level of training in the RAF at the time and why it wouldn't have been a clever idea to try to bomb German cities.

did they ? Well everyday I can learn something new. Could perhaps point out where those bombing were exercised. How many German military installations had been bombed and how many German planes had been withdrawn form the front in Poland to be used against that new threat?

Hell, I'm all ears!


Lying ? Are you delusional I haven't said the word about British airmen. Do not change the subject.
We talking about British ruling class.


The point is that you are asking about those details to muddle the simple issue we are presented with here - Britain in September 1939 haven't given any significant military assistance to Poland.

Anyway all those issues had to be coordinated with French land offensive expected on the 14 September.
What would be the point of presenting a plan of the air campaign with listed German targets other than your nitpick at it.
We are Talking about political decisions, because decision not to help Poland as promised had been a political decision and have a little to do with military issues.



It is not what I would call campaign. Also for Poland only September matters, not that one bomb a month would make a lot of difference.

Campaign according to McMillan dictionary:

a series of actions by an army trying to win a war
I don't see series of action aimed at wining the war but rather pathetic attempts at harassing the enemy.
According to the free dictionary :
1.A series of military operations undertaken to achieve a large-scale objective during a war. (What was the goal of said bombings?)
2. An operation or series of operations energetically pursued to accomplish a purpose. ( what purpose ? Making Hitler agitated in hope he will have a heart attack?)

3.To engage in an operation planned to achieve a certain goal. ( what would be a goal of those bombings ? An excuse at honoring the treaty? so called smokescreen to hid the fact that treaty with Poland was intentionally broken by the political decision ?)

Please try harder with your lies. You knew about those missions. I covered themhere and you took part in that thread repeatedly. Sobieski mentioned one raid and you took part in that thread.

And before you claim that those threads were so long ago that you have forgotten them, let's have a look at the very first page of this thread.

You have claimed that German targets were not attacked. Such targets were attacked and British airmen died making those attacks. Stop lying about them.


And back we come to the question which you will clearly refuse to answer until hell freezes over: what assistance was it within Britain's power to give in September or October 1939 which was not given?


What British troops were able to take part in that offensive?


Instead of just repeating your lie, why not answer the question of what assistance was it within Britain's power to give in September or October 1939 which was not given?

Oh sorry, I forgot that you can not answer that question and that we all know the real answer to the question (which is why you refuse to answer it).

I don't see your problem, guys. Britain and France declared war on Germany (not vice versa) and officially started WW2 with that declaration. They could as well have ignored the attack on Poland, and you would all speak German (or Russian) today if that would have happened.

Whether Britain and France really came to the aid of Poland or just had their own agenda (keeping Germany from going imperial again) in mind, is another question. I tend to believe that they were more worried about global competition than about Poland.

Thats the point !


I don't see your problem.


Really ? They could as well join Germany in their war against Poland.Should we thank them for their restrain or maybe you should read less of the S-F literature ?

Did Britain and France declare war on Germany - yes or no? What more do you want? As I said, they could've closed their eyes and just wait until everything was over. Like they did when Germany invaded Czechoslovakia.

But still you refuse to answer the question of what assistance was it within Britain's power to give in September or October 1939 which was not given.

Nevermind IS, it is clear to all that you know as well as the rest of us what the answer to that question is.


The British were viewed by Hitler as natural allies of Germany. And vice versa by some sections of British society.


If France had stuck by her treaty obligations to Czechoslovakia, she would have declared war on Poland and so would the USSR. Hard to see Poland doing anything then other than siding with the Nazis even more so than she already did during the Munich debacle.

So what ? You seems to be failing to see that France and Britain didn't honored their treaty with Poland by not delivering military help as promised.

Your speculation about what could happened are just pure s-f stuff!


They haven't had a mutual defense treaty with CS specifically mentioned Germany and CS didn't defend herself at all.


I refuse to discus with you on your terms ie accepting your stipulations.
I say.

First of all Britain and France meant to coordinate their military efforts against Germany.
Secondly the treaty mean for them to take military action imminently.
It was specified that France should lunch major offensive against Germany no later than14 of September.
British supposed to bomb German military installation and use their Navy.
In fact they never honored their promises and obligation no matter how hard you try to justify it!Facts are facts!
You questions are asked in malicious intend of sidestepping the issue!
France and Britain meant to act together, and it doesn't matter if the blame for abandoning Poland lies with France in 50% or 51%, Britain share that responsibility.


Jews were viewed as pests by Hitler - so what ?
Poland was offered place in Hitler's camp - and ?
Stop talking rubbish just to justify your views.

Why do you keep repeating this claim when you are unable to say what assistance it was within Britain's power to give in September or October 1939 which was not given?


Show me the part of the treaty which says that.


They did.


Show me the part of the Anglo-Polish treaty which says that.


They did. Stop lying about the hundreds of British service men who gave their lives.


Can you go into detail about how Britain failed to honour her obligations? Will you? No, you will not because you can not.

I answered many times stop your repetitive lies ! they should have Bombed German military installations, I mean full scale air raids, not some token and random actions.


Look for it yourself!


No they didn't ! There were not major military offensive against Germany in September 1939, are you compulsive lier ?


They didn't ! you are an idiot if you really believe that those token actions were fulfilling obligations to Poland ?We both know that you are not an idiot just a sick man who get his kicks from it.Stop it.


I can, and I did answer you many time, stop lying that I didn't.
Stop lying about me lying but you of curse cannot because you have health problems.

They did. Stop lying about that. The losses where prohibitive and the crews showed they were not able to reliably bomb even the correct country.


You are claiming that the Anglo-Polish treaty says that "First of all Britain and France meant to coordinate their military efforts against Germany.", it is you who has to prove it says that.


Why do you insist on lying about the hundred of British servicemen who gave their lives in September 1939 for your freedom and theirs? Can you really sink so low as to completely deny their sacrifice?


You have not, you will not and you cannot. I'm sorry that this causes you so much anger, perhaps you'd find more peace if you faced up to the fact that the reality of history is not as you would like it to be.



Really showing the strength of your position with your increasing reliance on insults

'Behind closed doors',a BBC production,watch it,it might enlighten you.
Next question.
PS You still seem to be convieniently cherry picking the issues i have posted.
I wont hold my breath waiting for a reply,oh sorry you did reply yesterday,something along the lines of it being off topic,how convenient.

I found the book to be noticeably better than the DVD and neither are Rees' finest work but your views may vary. I can't for the life of me remember in which program (or chapter) to find the quote you claim is there. Could you perhaps remind me?


The moderators here have a very fixed view that going off topic is a very bad thing to do. But as I said yesterday, I'd be more than happy to discuss topics which would be off topic here in threads where they would be on topic.

One year as Russian gubernia and England would be region full of decent people

I watched the dvd haven't seen the book but its along the lines of ' i know the ruskies are killing your best assets as they advance into Poland'blah blah,but im still going to sell your asses down the river anyway,for now though your men are needed.

A very interesting claim. Could you please make a thread about it so I can reply to it there.

expose yourself to Polonication.

LOL.
Dont try to play clever with me larry you know full well what im talking about.
He told anders how proud he was of the polish efforts and how sorry he was of the situation in poland and how britian had gone to war to protect polands integrity.

You know full as does everyone else well he had no intention of honouring that commitment.
Now run along and bore someone else with your weasle words.(which match the goverments actions BEFORE DURING AND AFTER WW2 REGARDING POLAND).

Could a moderator advise whether this is on-topic enough to be replied to?