Most important Poles and Slavs that ever lived

This should be interesting and relaxing topic.

Here is my list of 10 most important Slavs who ever lived.

i made selection on the base of next principles, while tried to be objective:
1. positive impact of the person`s work and results locally and globally, during life and/or after the death
2. that is person famous within its own ethos
3. that is person internationally famous
4. importance of the person from different aspects

/i selected 10 persons but, without numbering their position on the scale. i still contemplate./

*** Nicolaus Copernicus
*** Pope John Paul II
*** Zawisza Czarny
*** Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky
*** Peter The Great
*** Leo Tolstoy
*** Svatopluk I of Great Moravia
*** Antonín Dvořák
*** Nikola Tesla
*** Novak Djokovic

Anybody have suggestion for different list of 10 most important Slavs ever? From my list only Novak Djokovic is alive (others lived in past) and still bringing great results, his glory rise even more day by day, not only glory of the great sportsman but also glory of a great man.

Maria Skłodowska

Great woman. Yes i had her in mind. But, when you are limited with only 10 places and, when think of entire Slavic world,... But, if i had to make a list of the 10 most important Slavic scientists ever, she would defiantly goes among first five.

Maria Sklodowska = why did you leave her off? anything to do with her missing penis?

as i said, only 10 places available. i explained

Why don`t you make your own list? It would be interesting to me to see what other think


no. Really not. Until you didn`t mention it, i wasn`t even aware that my list consists completely of man. Interesting. Maybe even disturbing

You see how crow underestimate Poles in his "Slav World" when he does a list of "the most important Slavs" but forget the greatest Pole (and in my opinion, the greatest Slav) of the history:

Jan Sobieski.

If it was not for Jan Sobieski, Polish Woman would be using Burkas today.

After Jan Sobieski, in my opinion, comes Jan Karol Chodkiewicz.

And then comes Pope Jon Paul II

oh hell yeh Sobieski - did he not hold off the mongol hordes at the gates of Vienna?
Hell without him we would ALL be wearing burkas.

Remove these, replace Dvorak with Smetana, add Dostoyevsky, , Marie Curie, Lenin and Chopin (half Polish) and there you have it.

Frankly, if there was no Jan Sobieski, Serbian woman would be using burkas today, too.

Alright. Alright. i moving Novak Djokovic and Antonín Dvořák out and adding Maria Sklodowska and Jan Sobieski. But, it was under the pressure, you know ;)

*** Nicolaus Copernicus
*** Pope John Paul II
*** Zawisza Czarny
*** Maria Sklodowska
*** Jan Sobieski
*** Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky
*** Peter The Great
*** Leo Tolstoy
*** Svatopluk I of Great Moravia
*** Nikola Tesla

much better Crow! I take it all back.
Fascinated by Tesla - wasn't he a bit of a tortured genius who was no good at schmoozing?

hm, interesting

i think that`s it. Maria is in the game. For the Smetana, i agree wholeheartedly. Lenin? Was he Slavic? Was he positive? Dostoyevsky and Chopin were considered but, list is limited on 10 places.

Well, maybe if i move out Pope John Paul II, i can create space for Dostoyevsky. What you think?

Yes,


Depends on your point of view, however the thread says "important" and he was certainly that


Yes, in terms of lasting impact.

Ditch that Svetopluk person and also the Zawisza one. Chopin and Stravinsky deserve a place. Maybe Kosciuszko too.

one of the most significant stealing of the Tesla`s inventions was on the field of radio. Tesla sued Markoni for stealing and trail process ended after 40 years, just after Tesla`s death. Court declared that Tesla invented radio, not Markoni. Many people today even don`t know that it was one Slavic man, a Serbian, who invented radio, not Italian. 40 years of public lie dealt damage to Tesla`s contribution.

Then, because stealing of Thomas Edison, in protest, Tesla refused Nobel Prize. What i know, Tesla was the only one who refused to receive Nobel Prize.

poor old Tesla - and he invented AC I think. I only heard of him relatively recently, a v interesting person.

alright.


There are other principles, too. then, after all, we are limited on 10 places.

1. positive impact of the person`s work and results locally and globally, during life and/or after the death
2. that is person famous within its own ethos
3. that is person internationally famous
4. importance of the person from different aspects


yes, that i had in mind.


we are limited on 10 places. Make your own list

What about Martha Stewart? Or Yuri Gagarin?

what about Irene Nemirovsky?

Sestra Martha born Kostyra? Gagarin, great, too.

See, you torturing me ;)

Nikola Tesla's mother? apparently she had never received any formal education but spent her time memorising epic poems and inventing and creating new household appliances.

Janacek maybe, Valentina Tereshkova, and Mendeleev. I'd avoid Copernicus because of the debate about whether he was Polish or German.

what about Mileva Marić Einstein that was Albert`s wife? she was great mathematician, better then Albert. We know that she contributed to Einstein`s formulas

yup Mrs Einstein too, he would have been nothing without her. The school told her he was an idiot.

And Joseph Conrad. Plus Pushkin.

absolutely.


Man was Polish. We all knows it. All Slavs knows it.

It nicely says so in Wikipedia in Serbian. Serbs knows (swhich between Cyril/Latin Serbian alphabets):


But look what says same Wikipedia page in English. Its not nice by Anglos, masters of propaganda:


/wiki/Nicolaus_Copernicus

There is considerable discussion on this matter - even here.

What about Andy Warhol? Alexander Nevsky?

well, in any case, in one period of their life Mrs and Mr Einstein lived in my town, Novi Sad, on the south of Serbia (and Yugoslavia). When walk in that particular street, i often pass close to their former house (there is nice table on house dedicated to them) wondering is it possible to become smart if just pass close to the house of the genuine people.

my working List of 10 greatest Slavic scientists and inventors ever

*** Nicolaus Copernicus
*** Maria Sklodowska
*** Mikhail Lomonosov
*** Konstantin Ciolkovski
*** Dmitri Mendeleev
*** Jan Janský
*** Josef Čapek
*** Nikola Tesla
*** Mileva Marić Einstein
*** Milutin Milanković

What about Ignacy £ukasiewicz and Stephanie Kwolek?

Dostoyevski have not even close to the impact of John Paul II.

Just think about how many people the first and the second influenced. I am pretty sure that there are not 1.2 billion people that read Dostoyevski, so not even talk about how many people in fact understood and liked Dostoyevski.

If you include him, why not Ss Cyril and Methodius. Religious too and much more impact.


A very accessible writer who'll be read long after JP2, for all his qualities good and bad, will be a footnote in history.

I'd say Bronisław Malinowski and Vasily Dokuchaev are both very influential Slavs

One day my name will be on this list too, you'll see ;-)