So what we have here - two the worst totalitarian powers in the history of the Europe and maybe even the world. Are so much angered and afraid of even of any resemblance of a "Polish" state with little autonomy that they make it part of the treaty. No politician or political power if note even is considering collaboration with Germany on terms of limited Independence. The Poles fight and bleed and are being murdered by the hundred of 1000s because of this standing and you so called Varsovian who like Poles and Poland turns it all around and says - hey Poles didn't even have opportunity to become collaborative state.
Hey go to the Jews and tell them the had it coming for refusing to assimilate for centuries and then tell them you like them.
As a matter if fact Poland has been offered a place in German axis pact. So Poland had been offered that chance. Links and quotes are only supportive to your thesis yo need to have a convincing and a clear line of logical reasoning. Yours is just patched up makeshift build on resentments but I will not blame your school for that.
No politician or political power if note even is considering collaboration with Germany on terms of limited Independence.
One would very much imagine that Stalin in 1939 was significantly better informed about Poland than you are now: he very clearly thought that a German-run Polish collaborationist state was a very real threat to the USSR. So he prevented it. He appears to have been onto something, given the way that millions of Poles decided during the war that they were actually German, there wouldn't have been a shortage of people to support a 'Polish' (German) state.
As a matter if fact Poland has been offered a place in German axis pact.
One which was very much revoked when a better ally came along.
Yours is just patched up makeshift build on resentments but I will not blame your school for that.
I do fear that off-topic trolling and insults will only result in you becoming both a banned user and a banned guest. Still, that'll be your choice.
Why people still talk WW2?
Take a stroll round my neighbourhood in Warsaw and you'll have the answer to your question.
[Moved from]: Terrible past for the Jews in Poland?
Merged: Effigies of Jews burned in Wroclaw rynek
I am absolutely stunned by this, utterly gobsmacked. How anybody can think that this is in any way acceptable is completely beyond me.
Dozens of demonstrators in the western Polish city of Wroclaw participated in burning effigies of Jews fully equipped with peot (side-curls) and black hats, Polish newspaper Gazeta Wyborcza reported on Wednesday.
The demonstration was part of a larger protest against admitting refugees of the civil war in Syria into Poland. Demonstrators warned that many of the refugees were actually economic migrants and terrorists, according to the report.
I'm disappointed, but not surprised. You get flamed (or moderator-edited) for saying Jesus, Mary were Jews. Our current Minister of National Defense believes in Jewish conspiracies to rule the world. The word "Żyd" is commonly used as an insult.
Merged: Jewish movie directors should focus on Polish sufferings more
At least as an apologetic gesture or a thankful gesture. Apologies for some of the gestapo helpers (some of whom were Jews), apologies for human trade (castrations of slaves and sale to Muslim harems) of Slavic Polish native people pre-dating Christian times and thanks for saving almost the entire Jewish population from extinction at the hands of Germans during World War II.
There is an immense hatred towards Polish people exercised by Jews on daily basis, a hatred that has no basis and yet Polish people remain calm but not happy about it. Jews throughout history have been the ones causing some of the Slavic and Polish tragedies and yet no one has called them to justice. When will Jews be made to pay in some way or another for Polish and Slavic suffering?
Merged: Poland among Safest European Countries for Jews Today
Says Holocaust Foundation Director
The Polish president's condemnation of antisemitism on Monday illustrates how Poland has shifted its attitude to such an extent that it has become one of the safest European countries for Jews, the head of a European Holocaust foundation told The Algemeiner on Monday.
One of safest Euro countries. From a man of the (((tribe))). This old (((trick))). The new name is Predictive Programming, sometimes psy-ops. Is this a way of telling Polish People that when things get unbearable for Jews in West Euro, to expect Exodus arrivals?
Interesting that this escapes Hollywood cinematic interests, maybe because it would devalue very valuable $$$$ business that's holocaust. YES! JEWS MURDERED POLISH PEOPLE DURING WORLD WAR II. Just because we don't brag about it in the media or every week like Jews do about...everyone who hasn't paid their homage to them.
For the bazillionth time, you people, the Poles neither started nor promoted anti-semitism per se. However, history has shown that far too many of run-of-the-mill Poles didn't do their level best to prevent its spread either!
In addition, Poland was only the second country AFTER the war which committed pogroms, such as Kielce and Jedwabne. The other was Romania under Ceauscescu, during which period, apparently Jews were strung up by meat hooks and piano wire as a form of state-sponsored torture.
Kielce and Jedwabne? How many times this should be refuted?
Both Kielce and Jedwane is nothing but a Jewish bs. Jews were so desperate to show pogrom after pogrom after pogrom in Poland - and they lived there ONLY 800 years - to finally come out wiht those two, already refuted dozen of times, "events".
Pathetic.
" too many of run-of-the-mill Poles didn't do their level best to prevent its spread either" Is it our duty to fight animosity against the Jews, the animosity Jews are working very hard to achieve? Was it also our duty to die for them during the WWII?
Sadly, when truth tellers such as Jan Gross come to the fore, they're vilified as haters of all things Polish, traitors etc. This is much as it was in Germany during the late '60's, early '70's following the infamous Auschwitz Trials, whereupon younger Germans were actually questioning their culture, wondering aloud eloquently whether or not there was perhaps some flaw in the German character which allowed for such things to occur. Those who spoke up against their parents were also vilified as haters of all things German, e.g. the writings of the psychiatrist Mitscherlich, the American TV-series "Holocaust" etc.
I think there is no more a flaw in the German than in the Polish character, however, the concatination of a series of unfortunate historical events which made the murderous anti-Semitism of the WWII era possible in far too many segments of European society!
The Germans were the pioneers of ideologically-driven, biologically-motivated anti-Semitism, kaprys! You know that. A fair number of Poles however, did buy into the nonsense, that's all we're saying. The Catholic Church always blamed the Jews for killing Christ. Poland remains an arch-Catholic country, ergo, a large number of less-educated Poles, especially in the countryside, were weened on this stuff with their mother's milk.
Can't throw the baby out with the bathwater all together now, can you?
There was antisemitism before WW2. How did so many Jews end up in Poland? Because they were expelled from other countries. Just to mention Spain or Britain.
As for WW2, it was the Germans who started it. Poles were victims, too. My family was! Ethnic Poles. How was your family affected? Some Poles and some Jews collaborated with Germans. Face it!
It isn't unique to Poland, it's an issue across the whole Slavic world and not only. Nevertheless it certainly exists more in Poland than in most places I've lived - over the years I've heard people say some awful and bizarre things.
Just to mention Spain or Britain
In fact, part of Britain (the northern part) is the only country in Europe never to have any anti-semitic laws on the statute book.
yeah right but Britain is making up for lost time now. Terrible and saddening considering the British lives lost fighting the fascist dogs, the labour Marxist oposition is fuelling anti semitsm in Britain today, Jews are afraid and leaving Britain. disgusting.
Anti-Semitic attacks hit record high in UK amid warnings over rise of 'hatred and anger'
yeah right but Britain is making up for lost time now.
In what way? we still don't have anti-semitic laws on the statute book.
Interesting to see you quote from such a liberal publication, however have you considered that the rise may be in reporting a particular crime, not least because people believe that it will be taken seriously...
@jon357 I should have written 'England', not 'Britain'. There were no Jews in England for several centuries. I have also read about some anti-semitic attacks in the UK recently. What do you mean when you say that you have no anti-semitic laws? Do we?
As for what Poles say, we're not politically correct. In reality, most haven't met a single Jew in their life but they see 'Jews' pretty much everywhere. And blame them for all the things bad.
There were no Jews in England for several centuries.
Much like Warsaw then, which had the de non tolerandis Judaeis right from about 1500 (ish) and wasn't forced to accept Jews living in the city until the time of the Prussian occupation, around 1800(ish) that Jews were once again allowed to actually live in Warsaw. Did you have a point?
Not the whole country, though. And there were exceptions to the rule (Jewish doctors, fairs etc), just like de non tolerandis Christianis in Jewish quarters. @Taxpaying voter
Jews were brought into various European countries as tradespeople, doctors, financial specialists, WHEN NEEDED, gladly, indeed forcible expelled from those same countries when they weren't! True political footballs, the Jews.
Until Cromwell invited them back, round about the mid-17th century, the Jews had been banished for nearly three-hundred years, since around the time of the Lincolnshire Massacres.
Surely, there was little to any love lost between the Jews and their fellow gentiles! The unwilling who refused to assimilate were killed off (conveniently) in local pogroms. Those who donned the crucifix and enthusiastically renounced their faith in favor of Christianity, were welcome to remain, if not warmly.
