joepilsudski, a monument to all these brave women IS something long overdue!
I've been seriously contemplating on changing my first name to both my first and middle name(named after grandma), which is a pretty older family name, to honor grandma, who was raped by the Russians. She stayed silent for decades.
Just keeping their memory and bravery alive helps to prevent it from happening to other generations, in any country.
you shouldnt hate the jews they are fellow Poles just like the non jews are people who hate jews are just plain stupid.
You are quite right...hatred is not a productive thing...just understand that on this Forum there are many free-wheeling discussions about many 'controversial' subjects...try to learn what you can from it, but do not take it all TOO seriously.
Yes...you get your '15 seconds of fame' on the Internet...I do, howver, try to edit when I feel I'm getting too far out in left field...but, the good thing: sometimes you can learn from your own foolishness!...at least on the Internet, there is some 'distance'.
not to get all paranoid and join you in conspiricy,but ever since I tried to post a counter comment on a certain communities website,one that was defaming an unprotected set of people,ie un circumsised,Ive had shoit loads of trouble with my internet connection...wouldnt mind,but you know me,I wasnt exactly,imo being defaming at all.in fact,being very calm and balanced as warrented the nature and seriousness of the rampant rascism being shown by one person against ,lets call them the pilish nation by someone from,lets say osreal.
Fascinating...I don't feel any hatred from any Poles on here, really.
People are people.
Perhaps with keeping memories alive as we go onward, we can live in the present, and keep the future safe for our families and friends, no matter what religion they believe.
I was truly touched by an older lady the other day, who was scammed into putting her house up as collateral for someone she hardly knew. All she wants right now, is a few people to go to New Mexico, and help her pack a few belongings from her house there, and bring them back. Before I even knew her religion, I offered to give her a few days of my time, purely because she's nearly 80 years old, and her children won't help her - but more than willing to sell her house for her.
When you are that age, a few items, books mean much to you. An elderly woman wanting her things, who am I to deny a few days of my time that will help bring her so much joy, so easily given?
That's how I feel for so many people who've endured so much over the past century - ever since I was a small child, I've given them my time many times a year, simply listening. For most, that's all they want, someone to remember them, recall their stories, and pass them down. Even my Jewish friends since I can recall that were Elderly, always been the same: tell our stories, good, bad, indifferent. We were here; we were ALIVE. Don't forget us, okay?
It's just that simple. I've enjoyed listening to all of these people, even the old guy playing Jazz, who thought I'd be afraid of him, simply because of the color of his skin.
People - are people. Everyone has a story, and it should be recalled, either by their children, their grandchildren, or strangers who cared enough to pause and listen.
you are absolutely right that people are people. Good, bad and indifferent. But I also grew up as a Jew kid in Poland, and let me tell you, as soon as the others found out why I wasn't going to the First Communion, my life was hell. I heard enough jokes about the difference between a load of cabbage and a load of Jews to last me several lifetimes.
Highschool was no different. I learned to shut up and bear it, and eventually to hide my Jewish side. It wasn't just my fellow students, my HS Polish teacher was a total c*nt, Hitler would have been real proud of her.
Two years ago, we hosted a "nice" young Polish couple at our home, English teachers both of them, when they found out I was Jewish, those as*hats refused to eat my food, and went to a hotel.
A few weeks ago I found the NK portal and joined my old HS class. And even after 17 years, the hatred started to pour in. Of course, my success in life was undeserved, because everybody knows that Jews succeed only thanks to the secret Jewish organizations that control this world...
And you know what, the more abuse my fellow Poles hurl at me when they find out I'm Jewish, the more Jewish I am determined to be. F*ck 'em!
No, growing up as inheritor of a great-grandfather who founded one of the biggest companies in the world is fun. My parents didn't have that much dough to bake, but still had the status. This meant that I had to do loads of things that I did not want to do. I had to go horse riding. And I don't like horses. I had to join a hockey club. I do not like hockey, I do not like the ppl at a hockey club. And when you proclaim you're Dutch, they say you're a Jew, even though I'm only half Jewish. So it's off to the Synagogue every freaking Saturday. I do not fancy churches. Although I liked the singing. I had a Bar-Mitzwa. Even though I had no clue what it was about and only knew that my friends were playing football and I wanted to be there with them, but I could not because it was my bloody Bar-Mitzwa and they were not invited because they were Protestant. So I got to meet all kinds of ppl whom I never saw before in my entire life, wishing me well and all that Jazz. So. That's the rant for today :)
What's your problem with someone relating their personal experience on a thread that is totally relevant to that experience? It's not evben as if they had even asked anythin from you, not even demanding your time and effort reading it.
I liked the singing
Check out the Jewish influence in Dion Dimucci's Born To Cry.
Well, I think it's actually a pretty good creation this time. Could be doing something...Considering I only wrote it during one night of frustration :)
And Anna Extra-Terrestrial: my parents were not disenfranchised, they just had the bad luck that some money wasting idiot was before them. But I managed to get things back on track anyway :)
I will check if it is true and I will talk to pepole in up comming days with strong French accent, and I will pretend that I have Polish-Jews roots. I will see what will happen.
Quite an entertaining story. Reads like plagiarisms by Kosinski.
8 year old kids had a concept of you being Jewish? I certainly didn't at that age. I don;t think any of my peers did at the age of 8.
I had a few friends in my class who didn't go to the first communion. Some were Jews some weren't. Nobody thought twice about that, and we went on to play "injuns" as always. You must have some real bad luck.
Highschool was no different. I learned to shut up and bear it, and eventually to hide my Jewish side.
Did you paint it over, or did you force them to forget?
When I was in high school I knew this polish guy. He was 100% antisemitic and actively so. All others ran away from him. He was embarrassing and generally considered a freak.
A few weeks ago I found the NK portal and joined my old HS class. And even after 17 years, the hatred started to pour in.
I can't find you on NK.
And you know what, the more abuse my fellow Poles hurl at me when they find out I'm Jewish, the more Jewish I am determined to be. F*ck 'em!
And yet in your profile you states you are Polish, and you are a member of a Polish forum?
I tend to agree with Lukasz - a little provocation :)
I had a few friends in my class who didn't go to the first communion. Some were Jews some weren't. Nobody thought twice about that, and we went on to play "injuns" as always. You must have some real bad luck.
I also had some kids that didn’t have the first communion. None of them were Jewish though. Bad luck? Not necessarily. In my primary school there were bullies that would pick on you because you were fat, skinny, poor, wealthy, teachers pupil or the worst learning kid in the class. Being Jewish might had been a good cause to pick on you as well. Children can be cruel you know.
How do you think these people never assimilated into any society, or how is it that they have not disappeared entirely after not having a state for 2000 years, wandering around the globe?
Simply, they were thought intense hatred for all other nations from childhood and instilled in them is a sense of strong victimization that they were persecuted by everyone else and the whole world is against them.
MareGaea: It was my bloody Bar-Mitzwa and they were not invited because they were Protestant.
A Dutch thing? Here in the states I have been invited to a few Bar-Mitzva here in the states by Jewish friends, and was glad to attend because we knew the boys involved very well.
Grzegorz, you're an idiot, exactly like that ones I met IRL. And you're not even trying to be funny! damn dude! Don't know any Jew jokes? What kind of anti-semite are you?
And to the rest of you. I am Polish, have PL passport, speak Polish as my mother language. if that disqualifies me from being on a Polish forum, then fine have it your way.
And for the record, I can't stand Kosinski, what a self-righteous prick!
My post was not meant to be provocative, it simply explained how it was in the 70s and 80s. Who knows, maybe Trojmiasto was the hotbed of anti-semitism during those times.
Glad to hear Dariusz that your experiences were different.
And yeah, even as an 8 yo (though in Gdynia they used to do FC when you were 10) you know you're a tad bit different when all your friends go to religion classes and you don't.
I have many Polish friends who don't give a flying f*ck through a rolling donut about a person's religion or skin color. But as evidenced by this discussion, plenty of Poles still do.
I saw an interesting program on the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. I understand it was their 65th anniversary on Saturday - RIP to all the heroes who perished in their struggle.
What saddened me was the blatant hatred toward the Poles expressed by the Jews interviewed. One old lady, a Jewish insurgent, when asked about the worst thing she experienced, replied: seeing the little Polish children on a swing set watching the ghetto burn. Strange. Imagine having all that hatred built up for all these years over seeing children watch a fire.
Comments like this lead me to believe that there's something not right with some of these people.
It was strange listening to these comments, then watching the Polish government's memorial to the uprising - who really hates who?
