German Traitor And Polish Pig

True, but can't you see the difference?

What? One generalization is wrong but the other is true?

........and protect. Mankind just like his primate cousins has always fought to protect his troop/tribe/village/country. All of our ancestors fought to protect their own, if they hadn't none of us would be here now. As the old saying goes 'rough men commit acts of violence, so gentle men can sleep safe in their beds at night'

But where did I mention that we must war with Germans and that I hate them all? The only thing I am saying is the tendency of Germans. Every nation have a tendency, for the Germans it is about being very serious and very mechanical. It is wrong to be supremacist, but it not wrong to be less emotional or very mechanical/machine like. Just we have to adjust and live in peace.

What is it with 'tree hugger" concept? I would like to consider myself a nature lover, but I don't understand this.


Why are you namecalling? I don't understand you point?

I would not like to fight with you on this. But it seems you are trying to take it there with this very insulting comment of yours. Try someone else then ...

Both are true (except part: uncultured, brainless Slavs). And you still can't see the difference why that the German are threat to humanity not Slavs. Lets take the film if it happened it Poland you would see couple of people sad or crying it the background.

This thread is about how some Nazis mistreated two young lovers because one of them was German and the other Polish.

I recommend that you read the Leopold Tyrmand's book "Gorzki smak czekolady Lukullus". Tyrmand deals with it based on his own experience, only his hero is a Pole pretending French and his potential lover is a Nazi. I said 'Nazi" because it is the essence of Tyrmand's short story.

Protection cannot come from the gun, but from understanding and unity. This is what we as humans have been in the process of learning, and now have evolved much into this process. The gun doesn't protect, it just is used to harm the other. The greatest protection is in being united as humans with understanding and cooperation.

Police is good, but armies should be common internationally ... and the UN should be strengthened so that all human kind can live in peace, and if one barbarian rises, the united forces of the world can stop it, to establish peace.

By the way ... what on earth makes you think that killing civilians, children, raping women, or people or different belief, look, color or religion makes a person rough? It only makes them worst than beasts ... and anyone who sleeps when his "protector" is doing that is nothing but a monster itself. They must resist and join hands to stop this beast who claims to be a protector. This is inhumane. This is too much.

They call you this because they are reactionary scum seeking to justify the racist genocidal practices of the Nazi Germans. Reactionaries call anyone who criticizes them and their dim view of humanity and nature tree-huggers, because enviromentalists have been known to resort to "tree hugging" to prevent trees from being cut down.

So its a good thing, being a "tree Hugger" ... really, if this is why they call it than I feel no shame or anger. Environmentalists are wonderful people, and I do love gardening and I did plant trees ... even experimented with some plant species which usually grow in the tropical weather but not into Polish atmosphere.

I think Mr. BB is confused with my statement there. It was not showing animosity to anyone. But if someone wants to take anything that way, what can I do?

Did I say that? so what did your ancestors do to protect Poland during the war?
You made a remark about the camaraderie among the submariners and disassociated them from civilians, I pointed out to you that soldiers and sailors had families, it was to protect them and the people of their country that they fought. War is ugly, sometimes men find themselves in a situation of kill or be killed. The reason you and I are able to speak freely is because men like my grandfather, whose 'mentioned in despatches' is still in the frame he put it in is sitting just 3 feet from where I am now, risked their lives so others would have the chance of life. Do you honestly believe Hitler could have been stopped with a polite phone call and a nice chat over a cup of tea?

Many good, decent men sacrificed their lives in wars to save your undeserving neck and all you can do is accuse them of being rapists.

Listen Daisy, I am "not" calling those who united and disposed of the beast who used to attack people's home as the killer or rapist butcher. I guess there was a misunderstanding here.

I don't know whether your neck is undeserving, but I know that millions of necks livingi n Poland today are all very much deserving.

Soldiers those who have wives and children back home should think before going out on aggression against civilians of other nationalities or beliefs. It is unacceptable no matter how you put it. That is why the United Nations should be the only body having an army ... and the whole world should realize that there must not be any one being an aggressor on the other.

You seem very keen to try and twist the situation to make people find support for those German army, but let me tell you, whether they had their women and children back home or not ... they had no right "ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT" to take up arms against other men, women and children who were civilians and trying to live their lives in peace.

Then attacked, they defended themselves. The motive was not to occupy Germany or rape their women, humiliate and kill their men, kill their children (even rape them) ... the motive was often just to buy enough time for their families and the family around them to go to a safe place. Even though, the world was just becoming more and more unsafe due to this made Aryan Concept of some barbaric, who managed to brainwash his entire nation to become the craziest example in world's history.

Dont go the wrong direction ... it seems that trying to bring forward another point of view is your agenda here. But you miss the point that there is a different between a sword and a shield... Don't mix them.

No, but a fact remains that German treated Poles and English or French differently as a rule.
For example, there were no laws against fraternization between Germans and French or English women.

Heh:)
As if you get to choose...


Yeah..."less human, mechanical animals" was to misunderstood completly! My fault!

God Loddy...your whining crocodiles tears gets boring! Try to play another record...Germany was often enough the ass for foreign armies to clean their boots on. The 30 years war was much more destructive and traumatic for the Germans than everthing the Poles had to endure. Do you see whine us and "forgive but never forget" and all these diatribes?

Every country has it's highs and lows and history moves on, regardless what you think about it!
So take your finger and shove it!

BTW: I guess they would kiss our ass to "fraternize" with them today, instead of the current plethora of races that share their land. Karma is a biatch. I hope Hitler is turning in his grave.

*I think it's the most racist I've ever been :)*

Rofl
Says one born and living in the US the biggest mishpoke of all! You've got to be kidding!

Most of the plethora of races in Germany are folks from Europe who can't wait to come to live and work here...they seem to have no problems with the "less human, mechanical animals"!

Must be the water here....

eee, you missed my point. Oh well...

This reminds us what this thread is about. Why was there this double standard for German connubial relations in World War 2? Was it because long ago Franks, Saxons, Angles, Jutes, and other Germanic tribes overran France and England and thus made those nation's women racially acceptable for coitus? Why would Polish/German "miscegenation" be punished in the appalling manner seen in the OP's video? I put miscegenation in quotation marks because to me those two teenagers look like they are from the same race and I suspect if you showed this video to someone far removed from Central Europe, and the Caucasian race, they would be incredulous when you told them that miscegenation was the crime being punished.

Can you elaborate on the clever ways you survived?

Those are not my words, but your inclination towards systematic propoganda.


To earn a living in a better economy, which has nothing to do with emotion or pride there...


No, we just read the only language he knew. Its not his fault ... I never saw BB doing any fault here you know, I understand him and his actions better then he does himself.

He thinks the melting pot image of USA as humiliating for it ... But infact its one of the best hall marks of your society. USA always come out of all the mess once again as it represents the people of the entire world. It also speaks of a new world evolutionary system at work. Americans with some German roots (also Polish) are often very different. Yes, USA has its share of the bad, but it will improve and I believe it will be a better place for the world to look at it and feel good about.


I mean our businesses did ... we always had good connections. It survived in different forms ...

Oh stop wriggling Loddy...I understand exactly what you mean and so did everybody else.

But then....I can live with that! :)

You do??? For a life in me I have no clue. Tell me, please.

It wouldn't be the first time our tree hugger revealing a racist germanophobe streak in him.
He is using the same lingua like a bona fide Nazi, dehumanizing the enemy (yup that's us)....but thinks he is something better and soooo enlightened!

Crap!

"Less human, animal like, mechanical"....as if there is something to misunderstood! ROFL

"Subhuman animals" anybody??? Loddy was just on the wrong side...not his achievement!


You would have to lick soviet boot for that....

Animal = Those who kill, rape, molest, look down on others in the name of war or supremacist theories.

Mechanical/Machine like = Those who think with less emotion and more attached to their goals at any cost. They like to fine tune themselves, they have a different lifestyle. There is nothing wrong with it, its just having a different look into life.

Subhuman = Never mentioned this for Germans.


This is the result of your brainstorming? Did you see how you reacted? I will tell you ... you just programmed yourself to find an enemy to attack, and you named your enemy a "tree hugger" (which I came to know is the synonym for an environmentalist) and then you added fragments of words used in various different contexts to use them as tools of propoganda against him. You tried to justify your attacks thus. You arranged those words fine, according to your requirement.

You did not even attempt to look into it in a positive manner, or try to understand that actually there were no offense against you or Germany. It was just a concept on the traits of the German nation, and apart from that - the actual face of ANY aggressor which attacks nations and brutalise civilians.

By considering my "animal" quotation on yourself or the German nation, are you automatically considering any kind of aggressor or molestor to be inherently German of influenced by the German actions in the last century (which infact is not so far away, as this one just started)? ... By the way, whatever you are thinking, I for once certainly did not mean that. I went a little further with brutalizations by barbaric people around the world.

However, if you are determined in your efforts, there is little one can do. You will come up with another scheme.

Calm down, read some fairy tales from the Grimm brother, listen to some Bach music, make a day trip to a baroque wonder like the Wies church or to a museum to see some paintings from Friedrich or Carus, .... and realise that your less human, mechanical animals gave quite a lot of deeply emotional works of art to the world... much more than some other nations in the neighbourhood. ;)

And what about the massacres carried out against german's in poland which provoked the war?

It wasn't the germans carting millions of poles off to death in gulags. That was the soviets whom the polish tried to ally with.

There was nothing poisonous at all about nazi ideals or nazi ideology or hitler. He was a nationalist and a racialist. The german nation was self-evidently superior to the polish one, both in WW2 and now. He fought for his nation and race against a hostile and belligerent world.

At no time where germans interested in "world domination". Not hitler, not the germans in general. You talk leftist trash pushed by the same communists who subjugated the polish nation.

Hitler wanted alliance with poland against the soviets. Return of german land. Polish refused, and further massacred germans and deported them to inner poland, carried out attacks on german soil. As hitler said in his speeches, this was intolerable so they invaded.

Where is the evil in that? The evil is in poles perpetuating communist lies and apologies about soviets. The evil is in poles who talk about polish nation while condemning the german nation over fiction offenses. People die in war, but the polish government is the one that wanted war. Further, it is only natural that germans would not permit race mixing, would you want your daughter to marry a black or a turk?

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What crap is that?
I smell a rat here.

I think you exaggerate a bit.Germans actively followed Hitler in his Aryan domination plans.

What do you think "less human, animal like" is ?

It was not for everyday Germans ... please re-read BB, it was for the Nazi Germany and their numerous supporters or those who just used it to get their own personal interests fulfilled. There were so many of them in those times, that it touched almost everyone who came across a German in that time.

I mentioned few times here that its about "Those times" and not "These times". Germans are neither animals nor less human. They just seem to have a different characteristic towards life with what I gather. This doesn't make them animals or beasts ... they are just different in their way of thinking, feeling and doing things. This might sound like an accusation or a very biased thinking to you because I am saying this (me, a Pole with a past family experience) ... but its not that. I just mentioned a perspective which more than just a few people share.

Today's Germany is economically powerful, and that perhaps is due to their hard work and attitude. I wish Germany all the very best, and would like to see better relations with Poland ... would I be wrong to add that "while Poland should be alert and educated in all their dealings and friendship etc"?

I have some friends who are German ... but its a natural instinct within that I am more careful and I think for a second more on their words and actions than I would do for others. However, it doesn't mean I look at them with enmity, I just have different ways of dealing with different people. I would wish them "Happy Birthday" ... and so would any of the other Poles who are friends with a German.

There are relationships too that form between Germans and Poles ... but they are formed with any other nation in this whole world as you probably very well know. I respect that, and I would wish them well too.

I don't want to write a huge essay to you in an effort to explain that I have no hatred against you. Its a matter of your perspective on how you see it. If you try to understand my perspective, you will not think like this I am sure. You have free will.

:)

Okay....peace!