Esperanto - an effort by a Pole ...

Harriet is, for the first time in his life correct, the guy didnt have an ounce of polishness in him, he was a russian jew who just happened to live in a polish city.

I guess you can leave that to Poles for deciding :)

Damn it, Sok - we're trying to wind-up Harry here, and you're NOT helping.

Anyway, Zamenhof - did I mention what a great son of Poland he was? :)

Bugger pm me next time, i had no idea

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Does it matter? If he was a Slavic Polish, would you be proud of him and would you be welcoming Esperanto which could be prevent happenings of holocoust in that he lost his children and other murderings of millions from different communities? If he was Slavic, this time, you'd be calling him as agent or puppet of someone else.

Ps: have you ever thought that in first formation of a new country Poland, there were ordinary Jewish folks by their money and by their craftmanship too beside ordinary Christian folks and other folks before the Church put its nose into the country?

It would for me, i'm a hopeless nationalist.


Esperanto could prevent the jewcaust? You're kidding right?


No because Jews did not play any significant part in Polands formation or shaping.

Your having a laugh , yes...

Oh hang on, I've just realised that we've all overlooked a hugely important thing about Zamenhof: he was deliberately not invited to take part in the London victory parade of 1946. This must mean that he was Polish.


Perhaps you could then return to your nation? There are regular flights to the USA from Warsaw and Krakow: off you go.

LOL

You see - you're beginning to see the light! :D

Attentions of ordinary folks in Europe were focused (by designers) to the differences within the communities so that those designers could be doing their works (for oil.) Esperanto-like calling attempts ordinary folks to unite could show the reality that the designers were about. If you gained anything from the oil they filled their tanks (eg Bush), then, you are not a fool, but a smart nationalist.

Ps: Jews or Askhenazis have played many roles throughout the Europe including the formation of Poland for centuries before most of them moved to USA. Europe have been eating the wealth they have generated for centuries. But, finishing.

I don't quite get how Esperanto could have prevented the Holocaust when it was persecuted under the Nazis.

I also don't see it totally as a 'failed experiment' as a fair number of people still speak it, an Esperanto writer got the Nobel prize a few years ago and George Soros, of all people, is an Esperanto Native Speaker.

What is scary, however, is that as one of a number of artificial languages, it is top of the tree... the second biggest AL is Klingon.

I challenge the posters on this forum to make some sense of this bizarre broken English. Is he saying a cabal deliberately manipulates nationalist sentiments in Europe in order to somehow extract oil?

..I doubt there can be such a thing as a "native esperanto speaker".
It's an artificial language which has to be voluntarily learned after you grew up with your real native language.

The problem with Esperanto and other artificial languages is that there is no power behind it, no culture, no charisma...

Every language is more than only a means to communicate, it's literature, music, philosophy, inventions, discussions, a way of thinking, of seeing the world...also ever lingua franca of it's time (Latin, french, german, english etc.) became it for several economical and cultural reasons...Esperanto has nothing of it..it's an empty shell only good for some idealistic book worms. That's why it never caught on...

Sure there is. That was his first language. The power was his parents.

His parents were both speakers and he was learning it from birth.

He is an Hungarian, isn't he?

I doubt he could communicate with his environment and the other children next door in Esperanto....

Gazeta Wyborcza weighs in (inadvertently) on the 'Who's Polish?' question

note the headline: "Vietnamese oppositionist becomes a Pole thanks to the president"

suck on that one, Harry (and other purebloodist reductionists):

President Bronislaw Komorowski granted Polish citizenship Vietnam opozycjonistce and activist for human rights Ton Van . At the end of January to petition the president went on to give Ton Van Ahn Polish citizenship.

I learned German before I learned English, but my first year of school was in America. It's not that difficult for a kid.

Not for the kid..I don't refute the fact that Soros' parents tried an experiment with their newborn.
But you don't grow up in a vacuum!
Languages are easy for a kid that 's true...but when you live in a country and interact with a country you take on the language of the country.

Did his parents forbade him to learn hungarian and to interact with hungarian children? Did the family voluntarily live in a parallel world?

No wonder he panned out the criminal he is...

The home was his environment. His father was an esperanto writer who taught him from birth.

If his parents were speakers then maybe they knew other families who spoke it.

I have friends who are german and Polish and speak English in front of their kids. The kids are growing up at least bilingual, with an understanding of English thrown in.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto_native_speakers

Doubtful, but he learned Esperanto before Hungarian. I still speak to my mother in German even though the "outside world" didn't speak German.

That's not the question...these are real languages...with real cultures, peoples and countries behind it. A fully normal thing...

Esperanto is anything but normal but an isolated, artificial thingy!


When should that have been, learning hungarian that is...as he started school?
Till then no contact with Hungary otherwise??? Very doubtful...or a sick childhood in a sick family!

That man has been living in Poland for 18 years so of course he qualifies for Polish citizenship!

Of course certain Polish cretins will say that no non-white can ever be Polish....

The amount of English language culture in that house was slim.

Esperanto isn't isolated when you have a community of esperanto speakers and daddy is a writer.

Perhaps his mother spoke Hungarian to him and daddy spoke esperanto. His father claimed he'd taught him from birth.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto_native_speakers

Those who can actually read 1 : Harry 0

Ton Van Anh (the newly minted Pole in question) is a woman (obvious from the link without even looking at the article).

You're raised by your parents. It comes very quickly. Your parents speak to you in Esperanto(German), and you watch cartoons and talk to friends, in the limited amount that you can speak in Hungarian (English).

It works.

In a country whose native language is not-esperanto it IS isolating....instead to unify people it is putting up barriers. Think about that!
Soro's parents didn't help their baby with that experiment...

Your native language stems from your parents first, then from the country you grow up in.
As I said it's much more than just a means to communicate...it's your whole heritage.

I pity these "world people" with no real homes and who prefer an artificial language to their own rich heritage...

Seems that a language can create it's own culture:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_J._Henriksen

A danish parent and a Polish parent...

There is a saying here. "If you become a fire, you can burn yourself only." Nazis were not millions of ordinary folks, but, the designers wanted to spread the fire to millions of ordinary folks so that those designers could play their games for the oil (I see those two world wars as oil wars.) Esperanto-like attempts, that might have failed, were useful to keep the fires away from ordinary folks. So, it was a good attempt for their beneficiary of ordinary folks, sure for those ordinary Jews also, but also for all other ordinary folks.

Similar thing happening these days. Wikileaks focusing the light onto the middle east mostly and ordinary folks in Egypt, Tunusia, etc are having troubles. Okay, they are not the good democrat places, but, Britain Kingdom needs to enlighten themselves first. They don't have any right to teach democracy to anyone while themselves are a monarchy. Some may look at the things the light show, some people like me look at the footsteps of the holder of light that are in Britain now. See, ordinary folks have not changed by looking at the places under spot lights. You still questioning him, Jewish or not, while the designers were about the oil actually.

Artificial language? Maybe or maybe not. Airplane too can be considered as artificial if you compare it to the birds, but, we know airplane can be useful for ordinary folks to bring people together. If you carry the bombs by airplanes, then, they are the ordinary folks who will die mostly. Dying not a problem, but, if you become disabled by losing a leg, etc, it is a serious problem then and you may need artificial legs.

it's not that difficult to speak two languages by the time you're 4. Dunno, maybe Soros and I are "special".