How I blew a 6 figure grant for my charity because of my appreciation of Polish history...

Ladies,

Before this descends into a "this tragedy is worse than that one" argument, ask yourselves what you're really disagreeing on.

The term Holocaust was in use before WW2, is that true or not? Does that change anything? If so, what?

How or why that became the term used to describe the killings of ww2 is something I don't know, do either of you?
How or why that came to specifically reference the Jews and not the majority of people killed is something I don't know, do either of you?

And no, killings being done on a massive scale that is highly organized doesn't make them worse than simply starving people to death or bombing them intentionally or not. When your loved ones are dead then it would scant comfort if one should tell you that at least they didn't die this way or that way. That's about as unintentionally insulting as you could get.

2 pence in the pond.

First of all this thread is about a Jewish xenophobe, not uncommon case unfortunately.

Not in my book.


Italics! Hint. Hint. And who would that be?


So what is there to say about that? Instead of complaining about the so called xenophobia of Jews, why don't you work to correct the impression Jews have that Poles hate them. I can tell you that I never heard a Jew say any bad word about Poles except for that one thing - that they hate us. So if it's not true (and I don't think it is) then do something about it. Tell Jews - on the internet or in person - that the only thing you don't like about them is that they call you an antisemite and you're not.

Polish Catholics don't hate Jews. In fact, few people do. What needs to happen is a number of Jews, and not a small number, need to stop being narcissists, need to stop monopolizing everything, need to stop hating Gentiles, and need to stop being xenophobic. Tacitus, an Ancient Roman historian, said and I will paraphrase the quote, that Jews love each other but have contempt for the rest of humankind. Has it changed at all since he said that? No.

By the way, I was implying that most of the USSR top officials, NKVD agents, Torturers, executioners, etc, were Jewish. Not just the USSR, but in all of the satellites as well. You had the Kaganovich brothers and sister, Naftali Frankel/ Frenkel, Jakub/ Jacob Berman, Wiktor Herrer, Leon Trotsky (Bronstein), Lev Mehlis, Lev Inzhir, etc. The Communist Governments of Eastern Europe killed more than 3 times as many people as the Nazis from 1917-1956.

I am against the ideas and mindsets of Judaism, but I'm not against Jews as human beings. I am against how a certain number of Jews have and still are very negatively affecting the lives of Gentiles and Jewish underlings and children, but I don't hate Jews as individuals.

I think it would be beneficial for Jews and Gentiles both if Jews simply abandoned the Jewish identity, which they themselves are responsible for holding (see my other posts on how Jews are not an ethnicity or race). If they did, while it definitely wouldn't make the world all butterflies and rainbows, it would certainly make the world somewhat of a calmer place to live.

What are those ideas and mindsets of Judaism that you're against?


I'm sure there is a certain number of members of other nationalities/ethnicities that have and still are very negatively affecting the lives of some people. But you don't seem to be obsessed with them. Why is that?


lol
And why would they do that?
They have a right to hold their identity, just as Poles and people of Polish origin have this right.
In what way would it be beneficial for Jews and Gentiles if they abandoned it?

Really?

Ah, let's face it - it's just another blanket statement that you can't / won't substantiate.

Perhaps you can explain how the most painful episode in post-WW2 Polish history was overseen by a Polish Catholic?

Paulina, the ideas and mindsets of Judaism I am against are the
following:

1. Their collective narcissism which Judaism embodies on all fronts.

2. Their unwaivering tribal loyalty, which falls underneath the
collective narcissism category but is very important to mention.

3. Zionism, Neo-Conservativism, Communism, Imperialism, Statism,
Nespotism, Marxism, other Isms.

4. Psycho-analysis (a form of mind control)

5. Their control and supervision of historical discourse. Including
Holocaustianity.

You might be right. Except that other groups can be criticized
without any reprocussions. Catholic Poles can bash the Russian
Empire, Peter the Great, Catherine, Elizabeth, etc, without being
called "anti-cyrillic." Now try bashing international Jewry. Being
called "anti-semitic" is only the tip of the iceberg as far as
words are concerned.

They do have the right to hold their own identity, so long as they
don't harm anyone else with it. But Judaism has proven itself
throughout history up to today that it is indeed harmful to Non-
Jews, low level Jews, and other living things. See my answers to
your first question.

So delphiandomine, you are saying that those people I had listed never existed? Or that they weren't Jewish? Wishful thinking on your part.

Tell me where they had their Bar Mitzvahs and where they held their sons' Bar Mitzvahs and you might be in the slightest bit credible when claiming that they are Jews.

In order to be Jewish, you don't have to have been Bar-Mitzvah'd, you don't have to read Hebrew, you don't have to even read a page of the Old Testament or the Talmud in their entire life. You simply have to believe that the Jews are the chosen ones (secularly or divinely), believe they can't do anything wrong, and be extremely loyal to them. As long as you subscribe to the collective narcissism, tribal loyalty, and contemptuousness towards non-Jews, then you are in.

In that case none of those people can possibly be Jews: they were responsible for the deaths of countless thousands of Jews.

So by your definition they weren't Jews, by my definition they weren't Jews, looks like we're all agreed that they weren't Jews. Perhaps you can find people at a certain other website who think that those people were Jews.

That's not a bad word (or sentence)? Perhaps I am misunderstanding you?

They will sacrifice their own if necessary, or if they feel that such and such member isn't loyal enough. So that is part of the loyalty. Also, thousands of Jews may have been killed. but millions of Gentiles were killed as well, the primary victims. It was Lazar Kaganovich, who was Jewish, who convinced Stalin to conduct the purges.

In his biography, The Wolf of the Kremlin, the interviews conducted with him were done in Yiddish, by his nephew Kahan, who wrote the Biography.

I guess you are misunderstanding me.
It is a bad word (or sentence) to say that someone is a hater. I am commenting that the only bad thing I ever heard any Jew say about Poles is just that – that they hate us. I've never heard any Israeli say anything against Polish customs, habits, culture, appearance, language, music or people. They just have that impression, which most Poles say is false, that they don't like Jews. So again I'm saying that instead of answering that charge with nasty reactions, Poles should interact with Jews and show that they don't hate us. Jews should do the same toward Poles. I guarantee that once Jews (especially Israelis) meet some friendly Poles who show no antagonism to their bring Jewish, they will be great friends of Poland.

What do you mean by that?


You're contradicting yourself - you wrote that "They will sacrifice their own if necessary". That's not "unwaivering tribal loyalty".


lol
You think other nations don't have their "isms"? And "Communism, Imperialism, Statism,
Nespotism, Marxism" aren't exclusive to Jews.


LOL
What? Are you a member of that Scientology sect? xD I've heard Tom Cruise doesn't like psycho-analysis... lol


It seems to me you're misunderstanding something. I think they don't have any more control and supervision of historical discourse than we do. And any control they might have they have it because we all gave it to them, willingly. It's not like they took it by force or sth lol And why did we do that (Europeans and Americans, I mean)? I think because such was the impact of what happened during World War II. Such great "impression", so to speak, the Holocaust made on people. So, yes, Jews get "a special treatment" in a way and not only because of the Holocaust but probably also because of the guilt and shame which the Europeans feel as a result of the persecution of Jews throughout centuries in Europe.


No, you'd get called "a russophobe" :)
And that would be only the tip of the iceberg. Russians retaliate and the difference between them and the Jews (at least those non-Polish Jews) is that they know Poles to some extent and know where to hit us so it would hurt :)

Btw, who's "Elizabeth"?


How do you hurt anyone with one's identity? o_O I'm sorry but this sounds ridiculous to me. Could you elaborate?


How? How has it proven itself to be harmful?


Harry, ethnically they were Jews. Just as Feliks Dzierżyński, mentioned by delphiandomine, was ethnically Polish. However, at the time when he was a communist he couldn't be Catholic and in the same way people mentioned by yerrik didn't have anything in common with Judaism.


Now this sounds like an idea, right, guys?

A Jew has no reason to say a bad thing about Polish person because we are nice to Jews we let them run a country within our country. However, if only the part about good, positive attitude of Jews towards Polish was true in a case other than the one involving Yehudi's friendsy the way, After Jews got confident enough (which didn't take them long - btw) they proceeded to take over the most important elements of our society, namely the media to spread their propaganda, the properties, the financial sector, the entrirtainment (most radio, stations and movie directors are Jewish), the government positions (later on), the fabrics, the medical sector, the universities to a large degree. So yes, they can only than us and should be nice but we, on the other hand, have a right to be ****** at them to the point of white fever. I have not mentioned what they did to us during the seventh century of course - the murders and butchery.

Really? Could you perhaps give us some details about the Jewish state which operates within Poland?


What an interesting view of history. Please do tell us more about the Polish nation in the seventh century.

Well for starters, Scientologists are against psychology[i] and [i]psychiatry. I don't know if they are against psycho-analysis or not.

Psycho-analysis was Freud's own projection of supposedly what Gentiles think. (men in love with their mothers, women in love with their fathers). It was nothing more than a way for him and his ilk to garner attention and fame. The real father of real Psychology, who no one ever hears of, was Wilhelm Wundt.


It's part of unwaivering tribal loyalty because it is a purge of those suspected of not being loyal enough. An enemy from within as opposed to an enemy from outside.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_of_Russia


Narcissism, Usury, the Kahals, (read about Jacob Brafmann), hatred of goyim, keeping the goyim out or on a lower level. Guilt-tripping the rest of humanity by claiming that they alone have been martyrs for 3000 years (which isn't remotely true). Communism, many other atrocities committed via proxy.


Jews are not ethnic in actuality. They are ethnic [i]mentally.[i] That is part of their religion. Though then again, even Jews themselves can't decide what makes someone Jewish versus what doesn't.


The traits of narcissism only embodied by a group instead of an individual, as if the group had taken the place of the individual. You also have Martyr Complex, which can be, and often is, synonymous with narcissism.


90 million people, maybe more, perished horribly in WW2. And yet, a number of members of Jewry only or primarily want non-members to to remember their dead. If the other dea of WW2 are remembered, they are treated as a mere footnote or afterthought.

That is what a narcissist does. He/she/they must have an audience. Everyone who surrounds the audience is greatly diminished. While the narcissists' presence is totally inflated.

The narcissist (those demanding compensation) lack empathy for others (the 84 million plus who perished in WW2) Believe that they are special or unique, and constantly desire attention. They also believe in exploiting people for their own personal gain. Everyone else's existence is subsidiary to theirs.

Why, who should care about all the other victims of all other terrible things throughout history? They're just goyim.